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App 1 Phase two feedback V1

Argyll and Bute Council · 11 August 2022
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Summary of Feedback  Comments (if any)
1. No Comment or observations to make (Taynuilt CC) n/a
2. Helensburgh Community Council are happy to support the proposed
changes, with one exception. 
The exception mentioned above is with regard to the administrative grant
proposals. We note that the size of grant is determined by the number in
the electorate, and are disappointed to see that a new and higher tier of
grant for community councils with an electorate in excess of 10,001 has
not been introduced. This would of course be of benefit to Helensburgh,
and we note once again that per head of population Helensburgh
Community Council continues to receive by far the lowest grant of any
Community Council in Argyll & Bute. 
Although it was not part of the consultation, I should like to reiterate the
point which I have made to you previously, namely that I can see no good
reason why a Community Council's annual accounts can only be
approved at an AGM and not at an ordinary meeting, particularly as the
requirements for a quorum are the same for both types of meeting. 
I trust that these points will be considered
Without additional budget provision, an
increase in the grant allocations cannot be
accommodated. In terms of the scope to
review the overall grant levels, the council
pays (separate to the basic administration
grant) a discretionary 10p per elector top up
grant.  The allocation of this was determined
by political decision.  If there is a political will
to revisit how the discretionary fund is
allocated then this can be taken forward
outwith the review process. 
In regard to the second point, a response was
provided at phase one explaining that the
purpose was more about public awareness
that accounts are traditionally approved at
AGMs. Members of the public will often make
effort to attend this once yearly meeting and it
is therefore right to reserve the ability to
scrutinise allocation of public funds.  No
changes are therefore recommended. 
3. Amended proposals were discussed and supported by Strachur
Community Council at their meeting on 15th June.
N/a
4. Page 3, Paragraph 3 “The Role and Responsibilities of Community
Councils”
Paragraph 3.2 Add an additional sentence - “As broad a range of views
as possible is the objective, but the community council’s primary
accountability is to those who elect them (or those under 16 who are
There is no objection to the term “the
electorate” being used rather “those who elect
them”.  In suggesting this, the author makes
the point that this may place a duty on
community councillors to prioritise the views

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resident within the catchment area of a primary and/or secondary school
within the community council boundary) so it should always approach
informal soundings and more formal consultations with that in mind.” 
Phase 2 Proposed Amendments to the Argyll and Bute Best Practice
Agreement 
Summary of Proposed Amendments Page 6 
Add an additional clause after paragraph 2 “When consulting with the
community, as broad a range of views as possible is the objective.
However, the community council’s primary accountability is to those who
elect them (or those under 16 who are resident within the catchment area
of a primary and/or secondary school within the community council
boundary) so to ensure transparency and balance any soundings,
surveys and consultations should be approached with that in mind and
the findings classified and weighted appropriately. “ 
1. The phrase “those who elect them “ is rather clumsy and could be
interpreted loosely as recommending a form of bias towards those
who may support any one councillor rather than promoting a
councillor’s broader duty to represent the views of the whole
community.  Subject to my comments below, if this amendment
prioritising the views of the electorate over other community
interest groups is progressed, I recommend a change from “those
who elect them “to “the electorate“.
2. The amendments implicitly, if not explicitly, place a duty on
community councillors to prioritise the views of the electorate over
other groups within the local community.  This will have
consequences for how community councils operate. Community is
referenced in other relevant examples of legislation and guidance
as follows; 
of the electorate over other groups, which is
suggested is at odds with the role to
represent the community and may lead to
views being excluded.  It is not considered
that by highlighting a primary accountability to
electors it would provide a mandate to ignore
or dismiss other views as the Scheme needs
to be taken in its entirety.  What it adds is a
reassurance that community councils can
adhere to Scottish Government Guidance that
community councils “need to secure the most
positive results for the greatest number of
local people” but also to “base their position
on the views of or benefit to the majority”.  
We are fully aware of the restrictions on use
of the edited (full) register but point out that
the open register is available for public
inspection.  That said it is not suggested that
this need form part of work on community
engagement, more appropriately it would be
open to community councils to ask the
question as to the basis for the response,
offering options such as resident, business
owner etc.  Training on community
engagement is offered routinely during the
term of community councils and the council
also offer community engagement toolkits to
help obtain views.  
On the point about the Best Practice
Guidance, no objection is made to removing
reference to weighing.

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a. The statutory purposes of community councils established
under the Model Scheme are set out in Section 51 (2) of the
Local Government (Scotland) Act 1973, as follows: ''In
addition to any other purpose which a community council
may pursue, the general purpose of a community council
shall be to ascertain, co-ordinate and express to the local
authorities for its area, and to public authorities, the views
of the community which it represents, in relation to
matters for which those authorities are responsible, and to
take such action in the interests of that community as
appears to it to be expedient and practicable''. 
b. The Scottish Government guidance on the establishment of
community councils states 
“Community councils have a duty under statute to represent
the views of their local community. It is vital therefore, that
they reflect the broad spectrum of opinion and interests
of all sections of the community.” 
c. The duties of an Argyll and Bute Council (ABC) councillor
include: “representing and meeting with the residents and
interest groups within their ward and dealing with issues that
they raise. In addition, councillors may attend community
council meetings and serve on forums through which local
issues can be discussed between elected members, council
officers and the wider community.” 
An amendment to the effect that their “primary accountability is
to those who elect them” narrows the definition from its use
elsewhere and will, for example, allow community councillors to
exclude the views of local businesses from any consultations if
they so choose. While a broad range of views may be the

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objective, this is now subject to a clear primary qualification
criteria.   
3. Notwithstanding ABC are the sponsors of the model scheme and
the amendments proposed, no guidance or discussion has been
proffered in the draft for the need for the amendment nor how
community councillors are enabled to identify this cohort [the
“electorate”] within the wider community of respondents to a
consultation.  Regarding the latter, the natural answer would be by
reference to the full or public electoral register.  However the
electoral commission web pages state in clear terms that the
permitted use of the full register by community councils is limited in
law to: 
A “community councillor, or a person employed or otherwise
assisting a community council who has a copy of the full register
[may supply a copy of it, or disclose or] make use of information
contained in it for:  
the purpose of establishing whether a person is entitled to
attend or participate in a meeting of the community council;
for electoral purposes in relation to that council”
[Source  https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/running-electoral-
registration-scotland/access-and-supply-electoral-register-and-
other-associated-documentation/restrictions-use-full-register] 
Should the amendment be progressed and for the benefit of local
community councillors, I would recommend;
1. ABC law officers deliver a legal opinion, on which community
councillors may depend, stating whether or not the electoral
register can be used for the purposes of identifying the status of
each respondent to a community consultation.  If, in law, it may
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community councillors can determine who is, or is not, part of
the “electorate” in order that they may be seen to be complying
with their duties under the model code, as proposed to be
amended.
ABC issue best practise guidance on what may or not be “appropriate” in
the context of classification and weighting.  If ABC is  neither qualified or
in a position to offer guidance on what may or may not be appropriate in
various circumstances, this explicit requirement should be delete
therefore and the amendment of “best practise” end at “with that in mind”,
leaving community councils free to determine the appropriate actions for
each consultation. 
(What is community councillors deem “appropriate” is always likely to be
challenged by those of the community whose views are in the minority in
any consultation, thus what is “appropriate” should be left to the
community councils to determine at their sole discretion. It is the
members of that council who are accountable to their electorate and this
power to determine should be explicit in the best practise agreement.)   
5. Having read through the proposed change to the recommendation for
engagement with the local community (para 3.2) this will hopefully avoid
the circumstances in December 2021 where a Community Council clearly
did not act as a voice for the local area.  Although in part what was due to
2 members not adhering to the Objectivity section of the Code of Conduct
for Community Councillors. 
The lack of freely available minutes also begs the question who within
Argyll and Bute Council is keeping an eye on adherence to the Best
Practice guidelines and what enforcement action can be
taken.  Complaints are covered, as is dissolution, but not adherence? 
Obligations in the Scheme are that
community councils should send copies of
their draft minutes to the council within 20
days of the meeting taking place (as well as
displaying these on a local noticeboard). 
Where community councils do not adhere to
this there is existing provision to withhold their
administration grant until records are brought
up to date.  In terms of accessibility of
previous minutes, it is the responsibility of the
community council to retain signed copies of
minutes in perpetuity.