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Argyll and Bute Council 
Comhairle Earra-Ghàidheal Agus Bhòid 
Executive Director:  Douglas Hendry 
Kilmory, Lochgilphead, PA31 8RT
Tel:  01546 602127  Fax:  01546 604435
DX 599700 LOCHGILPHEAD
17 June 2024 
NOTICE OF MEETING 
A meeting of the ARGYLL AND BUTE LOCAL REVIEW BODY will be held BY MICROSOFT
TEAMS on MONDAY, 24 JUNE 2024 at 2:00 PM, which you are requested to attend. 
Douglas Hendry
Executive Director 
BUSINESS 
1. APOLOGIES FOR ABSENCE 
2. DECLARATIONS OF INTEREST 
3. CONSIDER NOTICE OF REVIEW REQUEST: 50 CHARLOTTE STREET,
HELENSBURGH, G84 7SR (REF:  24/0005/LRB) 
(a) Further written submissions from Planning Authority (Pages 3 - 4)  
(b) Comments from Applicant (Pages 5 - 8)  
(c) Comments from Interested Party (Pages 9 - 18) 
Argyll and Bute Local Review Body 
Councillor Kieron Green (Chair) Councillor Mark Irvine
Councillor Liz McCabe   
Contact: Lynsey Innis, Senior Committee Assistant  Tel:  01546 604338
Public Document Pack

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RESPONSE TO REQUEST FOR FURTHER
INFORMATION 
FOR 
ARGYLL AND BUTE COUNCIL 
LOCAL REVIEW BODY 
24/0005/LRB 
REFUSAL OF PLANNING PERMISSION FOR
PROPOSED ALTERATIONS TO WIDEN DRIVEWAY
ENTRANCE 
PLANNING APPLICATION REFERENCE:
23/01046/PP 
50 CHARLOTTE STREET, HELENSBURGH  
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INFORMATION REQUIRED 
We have provided the standard conditions below but it should be noted there are
fundamental issues of road safety which the LRB will be required to consider in their
deliberation. If the LRB were minded to grant approval then they will require give
consideration whether further conditions to mitigate or amend the proposal are necessary to
safeguard the safety of all road users including pedestrians (wheelchair/prams). 
Draft conditions and reasons to attach to the permission in the event that Members of the
LRB are minded to approve the application: 
1. The development to which this permission relates must be begun not later than three
years from the date of this permission. 
Reason: In accordance with Section 58 of the Town and Country Planning (Scotland)
Act 1997. 
2. The development shall be implemented in accordance with the details specified on the
application form dated 31st May 2024; supporting information and, the approved
drawings listed in the table below unless the prior written approval of the planning
authority is obtained for an amendment to the approved details under Section 64 of the
Town and Country Planning (Scotland) Act 1997. 
Plan Title. Plan Ref. No. Version Date Received
Location Plan 1 of 4 560-01 30/05/2023
Site Plan as
Existing
2 of 4 560/01/E01 30/05/2023
Site Plan as
Proposed
3 of 4 560/01/P01 30/05/2023
Cobble
Specification
4 of 4  30/05/2023 
Reason: For the purpose of clarity, to ensure that the development is implemented in
accordance with the approved details. 
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Anderson Strathern LLP
58 Morrison Street
Edinburgh
EH3 8BP
Ref: AND0724.0001/CUD  
Further Submission on behalf of 
Dawn Anderson 
in respect of 
App Ref: 23/01046/PP
LRB Ref: 24/0005/LRB 
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Contents 
Introduction ..................................................................................................................... 3 
Response to submission made by Planning Authority ........................................................ 3 
Conclusions ...................................................................................................................... 4 
Documents ....................................................................................................................... 4 
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Introduction
1.1. We act on behalf of Ms Dawn Anderson (“the Appellant”). 
1.2. The Appellant has appealed Decision Notice 23/01046/PP for proposed alterations to widen
driveway (the “Application”) at 50 Charlotte Street, Helensburgh (“the Property”).
1.3. Planning Permission was sought on the 30 May 2023 and Argyll & Bute Council’s resultant
refusal is dated 11 December 2023.
1.4. On 16 May 2024, the Local Review Body resolved to grant planning permission but requested
that planning conditions be proposed by the parties for that purpose.  This document is the
Appellant’s response to the conditions proposed by the Council. 
Response to submission made by Planning Authority
2.1. The Appellant makes two comments in respect of the Council’s Response to the LRB’s Request
for Further Information.
2.2. First, in terms of the two planning conditions that the Council has proposed, the Appellant is
content that these proposed conditions be applied to any planning permission that may be
granted.  The Appellant’s only comment in respect of these conditions is that there appears to
be a typo in proposed condition 2 where “31st May 2024” should read “31st May 2023”.
2.3. Second, the Appellant notes the following in the Response to Request for Further Information:
We have provided the standard conditions below but it should be noted there are
fundamental issues of road safety which the LRB will be required to consider in their
deliberation. If the LRB were minded to grant approval then they will require give
consideration whether further conditions to mitigate or amend the proposal are necessary
to safeguard the safety of all road users including pedestrians (wheelchair/prams).
2.4. In this regard we refer to the Minute of the LRB meeting on 16 May 2024 which states that the
LRB resolved to:
1. request that the Planning Department provide draft conditions to be attached to
the application should the Local Review Body determine that it is appropriate to
approve the Notice of Review Request; and
2. continue consideration of the Notice of Review Request to allow Members to seek
advice on preparing a competent Motion to approve.
2.5. The Council, the Appellant and Interested Parties were directed by the LRB pursuant to the 16
May 2024 meeting of the LRB to produce draft conditions to be applied to any planning
permission that the LRB may approve.  By the Request for Further Information, the Council has
had the opportunity to propose draft conditions that would address any safety concerns that
it has and that should be brought to the attention of the LRB.  The Council has not done so
despite this direction of the LRB to produce such draft conditions if considered necessary or
appropriate.
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2.6. Further, as has been expressed in previous submissions, fundamentally the use of the land
does not change. The Application has alternatively been described in previous submissions as
follows:
2.6.1. Resurfacing of the vehicular driveway to the Property; and 
2.6.2. Installation of cobbled path for dedicated pedestrian access/egress to the Property. 
2.7. In other words, the vehicular use of the land is not changing.  The widening is to accommodate
more direct pedestrian access/egress.  Consequently, the Appellant does not consider that any
safety issues arise as a result of the Application should the LRB be minded to approve.
2.8. Given the above, with particular reference to the Council’s failure to produce any draft
conditions associated with safety, in the Appellant’s submission no conditions related to safety
are necessary. 
Conclusions
3.1. Subject to amending proposed condition 2 to address the typo that has been identified, the
Appellant agrees with the two proposed conditions and would be content to see them imposed
on any planning permission should the LRB be minded to grant permission.  Over and above
the two proposed planning conditions, the Appellant does not consider that any further
planning conditions are needed. 
Documents
4.1. No further documents are lodged with this submission.
Anderson Strathern LLP
11 June 2024
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Dear LRB Attendees, 
Further to the latest submission from the appellant dated 11 June 2024. 
I am pleased that Planning and Roads have reminded the LRB about key public safety
concerns that are being caused at the top of Charlotte Street currently, and made worse
should the LRB approve this appeal (24/0005/LRB).  The LRB's main concern must be for
public safety.  The LRB should be concerned in particular for the safety of the children of
Charlotte Street's Parklands School (who A&BC states require "additional support needs of a
severe/complex nature") whose minibuses use the location in question to get to and from
the school. 
Please consider my representations below.
1. 
2. I respectfully suggest the LRB held on 16 May 2024 should be annulled because of a
lack of due governance on several counts, and reconvened at a suitable date:
a. Councillor Kieron Green did not declare his major conflict of interest as
required in the Notice of Meeting Item 2 
b. Therefore, he should not have attended the LRB nevermind be chairing it
c. Consequently, I would suggest, the LRB lasted a cursory few minutes
d. Councillor Mark Irvine was co-opted onto the LRB at the last minute
(sometime on the Tuesday for a Thursday 2pm meeting) and given a pack of 5
documents containing 431 pages of detailed information, often referring to
other documents, to consider
e. Therefore, even if he was in a position to drop-everything, he had insufficient
time to make a fully informed decision on the serious matters here of public
safety, honesty and the law
f. Mr Iain Jackson as Clerk of the LRB and or Mr Green failed to ensure even the
most salient points about public safety and the law were tabled for discussion
showing a lack of fairness and governance
g. Indeed, the only significant discussion concerned the issue of how to get
around the enforcement notices still in place without addressing nevermind
resolving why they had been issued in the first place, with the Clerk of the
LRB stating they would simply be closed which I must challenge as another
point of governance
h. I made all these points in an email to Mr Jackson on 28 May but, to date,
have not had a reply.
3. I ask that my submission dated 13 May 2024 should be considered (attached):
a. This submission was seemingly caught up in the cut-of-cards process,
appointments etc and not forwarded to the LRB
b. The appellant's second submission to the LRB in April was forwarded,
however
c. I would like the Clerk himself to confirm these two different treatments both
followed proper due process, as Governance Manager for the council
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d. The first time I was aware of the submission made by the appellant on April
10 was on May 9 when the LRB pack link was sent out
e. As the appellant's April submission refers directly to my objections to
23/01046/PP and its subsequent appeal, I would expect an equal right-of-
reply
f. For what it is worth now, I would like my attachment to be considered at this
stage by the LRB, as intimated by the senior committee assistant at the time
of blocking it
g. Whether it would have made any difference at the LRB we will never really
know.
4. Repeatedly moving the goalposts of argument being made in support for the so-
called widening the drive in 23/01046/PP and its subsequent appeal are
unacceptable (as is inherently avoiding mentioning the unauthorised removal and
relocation of said streetlight in December 2022 (as a pre-requisite to widen the
drive), and its subsequent questionable commissioning in June 2023):
a. The original argument was one of precedent of parking on the right-of-way
over the verge but even the appellant's use of Google Maps Streetview
showed that the appellant was the only household the length of Charlotte
Street to be parking on the right-of-way across the verge:
i. The Google Map photo used by the appellant, given on page-10 of the
Public Document Pack, not only showed their vehicle parked across
the verge but also showed the original streetlight column to be in
pristine condition contrary to therefore evidently false claims of
collision damage caused by the previous owner and contrary to
evidently false claims of severe rusting that were made as if an excuse
for this unauthorised removal
ii. Google Maps Streetview also shows the immediate proximity of the
location to be right up against the blind, right-angled bend at the
junction of Charlotte Street with East Rossdhu Drive which was the
reason for Roads' and Planning's refusal of 23/01046/PP on grounds
of public safety
iii. Coincidentally, Google Maps has since been altered to heavily blur out
this location, largely obscuring the parked car and the lower part of
the lamppost.  But the appellant's own clear photo remains on record
in the Public Pack.
b. When precedent failed, the goalposts were then moved volte-face stating in
the appeal that it was an "unlikely event of a car being parked on the
driveway area" despite all the hard evidence that it was and still is the
household's parking regime...as shown even by the appellant's own photos in
the Public Pack, in my photos in my objections in the Public Pack, as shown
below on June 13 2024, and as must have been seen by the central ward
councillors on their rounds
c. The goalposts were then moved with the argument being to future-proof the
property for people of disability.  Future-proofing is not a material
consideration for Planning, as I understand it.
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d. And the goalposts have been moved yet again for the main argument now to
be about parking on the road itself, as I am able to discern it, simply because
there are no yellow lines or equivalent at the top of Charlotte Street: 
i. This defies Highway Code 243 about not parking at or within 10m of a
junction, not parking across the entrance to a property, not parking
anywhere that would prevent access for emergency services, not
parking at the brow of a hill
ii. This defies Highway Code 242 that "You MUST NOT leave your vehicle
or trailer in a dangerous position or where it causes any unnecessary
obstruction of the road" (the Code's own emphasis)
iii. Rule 243 is public safety common sense but still only advisory
iv. Rule 242 is law as governed by the Road Traffic Act 1988.
5. The elephant-in-the-room remains the unauthorised removal of said streetlight in
December 2022 which must be addressed, and certainly not just ignored, as this
streetlight should be returned to its original position for public safety:
a. Stage 1 concerned the appellant being refused permission to remove this
streetlight as was requested in the appellant's early versions of planning
applications 22/00599/PP and 22/00600/LIB
b. Stage 2 concerned the appellant ignoring these refusals with the
unauthorised taking down of the original streetlight, leaving just the stump in
place, and positioning a new streetlight column further down the hill outside
our house (in December 2022)
i. This was subject to an Incident Report and two Enforcement Notices
ii. These reports and notices too were ignored in regards to this
streetlight (there were other infringements on these notices as well,
see 5d below)
iii. Scottish Power Networks have confirmed in writing that they played
no part in this unauthorised activity as needed to ensure public safety
in regard to risk of electrocution
c. Stage 3 (7 June 2023) concerned the removal of the old stump and the
commissioning of the new column, this time by operatives of the council but
in defiance of these enforcement notices still in place, in defiance of planning
due process as 23/01046/PP had just been submitted, and in defiance of our
MSP's request to 'pause' these works until these other related matters were
resolved
d. 23/01046/PP was submitted on 31 May 2023 and falsely worded as if these
three-stage events above had never happened ie that the original streetlight
was still in place and untouched, there had never been any pre-application
discussion, the work had not yet started, the proposed relocation would not
be outside our house, with planning permission (again) being sought to
remove the said streetlight as a pre-requisite to widen the drive
e. Our loss of amenity with the new streetlight location shining into our
windows is minor compared to all these public safety issues being caused by
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inconsiderate parking, reversing at and onto a junction, with the added loss
of a streetlight at this dangerous corner
f. Please note that the appellant had already applied successfully to convert an
existing garage into a second kitchen for this 2-bedroom property so these
parking issues are self-inflicted (22/00599/PP and 22/00600/LIB)
g. In a further act of goalpost shifting, the appellant in section 3.15 in the
appeal argues that the more dangerous you make something then the safer it
will be...you go figure
h. We simply have to add our loss of amenity from this unauthorised streetlight
shining into our windows, to our loss of garden, and to our loss of our house
name as the council will not act as they should in these matters
i. But why is this unauthorised act, fundamental to accepting the appeal for
23/01046/PP, being given the slopey-shoulder and silent-treatment by the
council and now the LRB?
6. Location, location, location and The Highway Code/Road Traffic Act (see 3d above):
a. The location in question is quite unique
b. It is un-pavemented with just grass verges on both sides of the street (a
prime feature of Helensburgh's heritage, HCC)
c. It is at the blind right-angled corner junction of Charlotte Street and East
Rossdhu Drive
d. This is not a simple widening of the drive as being portrayed
i. It is a follow on from earlier planning applications to tar over the
whole of the grass verge at this location for extra parking
(22/00599/PP & 22/00600/LIB)
ii. This too was refused, this too was ignored and this too was subject to
enforcement notices
iii. Even the goalposts of "widening" are being moved...wordsmithing to
quite what I am no longer at all sure
e. The Public Pack for this LRB mentions risk 144 times (only 3 of them from me)
f. I ask that your main take-away on risk should be for the school minibuses of
Charlotte Street's Parklands School that use this route, a route that you are
being asked to make even more dangerous for no good reason caused by
inconsiderate and self-inflicted parking issues, and to do nothing about the
unauthorised streetlight removal which has reduced streetlighting at this
dangerous location in the dark winter school months. 
I look forward to hearing from you regarding this appeal's outcome. 
Yours sincerely,
Dr Robert Thomson 
PS Please see site photographs below taken on 13th June, 2024
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1. Essentially, the only difference to those on P424 of the Public Pack taken in March
2024 is the addition of a skip 
2. Far from the appellant's claim that it would be an "unlikely event of a car being
parked on the driveway", the time series of photos would indicate this is more the
everyday parking regime in place for two vehicles
3. Further, please see the hedging behind the gates which, I suggest, shows that the
gates are permanently closed to vehicles so the parking regime on the verge as
observed will remain in place...or perhaps moved to the street in defiance of the
Highway Code and RTA 1988
4. Please note the completion certificate for works at #50 was signed off on 14 May,
2024 so there is little excuse for this ongoing mess on the verge, as has been the
case for years, and more than likely to continue if given the green light from the LRB.   
View from South 13-06-24           Head-on view 13-06-24        View from North 13-06-24 
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Re: Notice for Review Request - 50 Charlotte Street, Helensburgh, G84 7SR (Ref:
24/0005/LRB)
Mon 13/05/2024 10:55
Good morning Lynsey and colleagues,
Yes, I would like to take up your offer to view the mee ng scheduled for this Thursday and look
forward to receiving joining instruc ons, thanks.
Please allow me a few comments on the April submission from the appellant's agent which I had not
seen:
1) A simple wordsearch of the whole 442-page pack for 'dishonest' returns just 3 hits and all were
made by the appellant's agent himself on page-441.  His word, not mine.
2) The appellant's agent further claims there is no evidence to assess the applicant's approach and
atude to the Planning and Appeal processes.  I think two Enforcement Noces alone says it all.
I would suggest this is a case of not (adming to) seeing the wood from the trees.
3) He himself makes statements and then contradicts himself with his own photographic hard
evidence submissions.  For example, he states that it is an “unlikely event of a car being parked
on the driveway” then submits independent Google street-view photos showing the owners'
cars so parked (if Google do a street-view once every 10 years, let's say, then the odds being
defied by this claim are up to 3650-to-1 ie 3649 mes out of 3650 days the Google photo should
show the right-of-way/driveway being free of parked cars, but it does not).  As another example,
he submits hard evidence photographs of four other nearby rights-of-way/driveways (all free of
parked cars) which again contradict his claims about other precedent maers as previously
covered.  I would suggest this may be in the hope that Planning then and now the LRB itself do
not have the me to drill down into the detail and cross-match claims with hard evidence...even
hard evidence supplied by the appellant's agent himself.
4) The appellant's agent asks that 23/01046/PP be treated in isolaon.  I suggest the said four
planning applicaons be treated as a box-set in regard to what this agent now seems to me to be
calling 'dishonesty'.
5) Even on its own 23/01046/PP is premised on the prior unauthorised and therefore unlawful
removal and relocaon of a public streetlight, from a known dangerous blind corner at the top of
Charloe Street, as a pre-requisite to widen the said driveway.  23/01046/PP is worded as if
these unlawful events (incurring enforcement noces) had not already taken place and were all
sll at the applicaon stage.  I would have called that out as a pretence but as the
applicant/appellant perpetuate this pretence through this appeal then maybe the appellant's
agent's terminology of 'dishonesty' may have to be considered as more appropriate by the LRB.
6) Earlier applicaons by this applicant also requested the removal of this lamppost which was
refused...hence my box-set request.
7) This agent's claim in secon 3.2 on page 442 that I did not use any point of material
consideraon in my objecon is incorrect.  Just by way of example, I cited loss of amenity (ours
and the safety of the public) and the unauthorised removal of said lamppost as a fundamental
pre-requisite to widen the driveway (which was falsely represented in the applicaon as noted
above).  I have also quoted Highway Code Rule 243 to which there has been no response.  The
Code is more relevant now that the agent has again shied the goalposts of argument from
driveway parking precedent to disability provision to now majoring on street parking
consideraons.
8) I am not clear why Carroll v Scosh Borders Council (2015) is now being quoted at all as it is to
do with an objecon to a specific LRB decision about a windfarm.  My objecon is to this appeal
not to any decision of the LRB.  Simply, we have not even got to that stage.  I ask the LRB to
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consider if this is just more 'legalese' (sic) grandstanding.  I was equally unclear why the only
other court case quoted in the appeal itself was that of an internaonal shipyard.
9) So, please be very circumspect with this appeal for the sake of the integrity of the Planning and
Appeal processes.
10) Please, if and as you find appropriate, send out a clear and unequivocal message by example
that the Planning and Appeal processes must be respected.
I hope the process allows you to forward this email to the LRB members ahead of the review.
I look forward to hearing from you with joining instrucons.
Kind regards,
Dr Robert Thomson
ps my understanding is that a house name change is governed by Planning Policy contrary to this
agent's claim on page 442
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