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ARGYLL AND BUTE COUNCIL
ROADS REVIEW
LOCAL REVIEW BOARD
REFERENCE NUMBER 24/0005/LRB
PLANNING APPLICATION
REFERENCE NUMBER 23/01046/PP
LOCATION: 50 CHARLOTTE ST, HELENSBURGH, G84 7SR
PROPOSED: ALTERATIONS TO WIDEN DRIVEWAY
ENTRANCE
JUNE 2024

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Roads Review – 24/0005/LRB – Alterations to Widen Driveway Entrance – June 2024 (rev 0) 
Document history 
This document has been issued and amended as follows:
Version Date Description Created by
0 04/06/2024 Roads Review + Roads Appeal Response R.Kane

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Roads Review – 24/0005/LRB – Alterations to Widen Driveway Entrance – June 2024 (rev 0) 
Contents
1. Project Description 1
2. History 2
3. Roads Comment 3
4. Roads Response to Appeal Comments 4
5. Summary 6

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1. Project Description
Brief: Evaluate the proposed access alterations at 50 Charlotte Street, Helensburgh.
Location/ Route: 50 Charlotte Street, Helensburgh, located at the junction/ bend between Charlotte
Street & East Rossdhu Drive. The route (Charlotte Street & East Rossdhu Drive) operates as a main
rural secondary distributor road, connecting the A818 of Sinclair Street with East Abercromby Street
and the wider residential area. Beyond this, the route serves as one of only two vehicle connections
over the lower Helensburgh railway, providing a connection between the A818 of Sinclair Street and
the A814 of East Clyde Street. 
Design Considerations: 
➢ All Roads related issues must give due consideration for the health, safety and wellbeing of all
road users.
➢ All Roads related issues must recognise the Highway Code and the hierarchy of road users,
within. This identifies that those in charge of vehicles can cause the greatest harm in the event
of a collision and thus bear the greatest responsibility. The code therefore recognises the most
vulnerable at the top of the hierarchy as pedestrians.
➢ The existing pedestrian provision.
➢ The existing vehicle access provision.
➢ The vehicle access requirements.
➢ All relevant design standards and guidance.

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2. History (Road’s responses to 50 Charlotte Street between 2022& 2024)
Date Applicant Application for Roads Response
16
June
2022
Mrs Dawn
Anderson formation of additional parking
Refuse: 
• The visibility splay of 42 x 2.4 x 1.05
metres for a 30mph is not achievable. 
• Due to the close proximity with a corner
and insufficient visibility splay, vehicle
parking and turning should be achieved
within the curtilage of the dwelling with
adequate manoeuvring space within the
site for a vehicle to enter and leave in a
forward gear. 
• The removal of carriage illumination
assets, to increase private parking
provision, will not be supported.
1
August
2022
Mrs Dawn
Anderson formation of additional parking
Refuse: 
• The visibility splay of 42 x 2.4 x 1.05
metres for a 30mph is not achievable. 
• Due to the close proximity with a corner
and insufficient visibility splay, vehicle
parking and turning should be achieved
within the curtilage of the dwelling with
adequate manoeuvring space within the
site for a vehicle to enter and leave in a
forward gear.
29
August
2022
Mrs Dawn
Anderson formation of additional parking
No Objections subject to Conditions: 
• The application has been reduced to
remove any applications/ requests for
additional parking.
2
August
2023  
Refuse: 
• Roads refuse the proposed as the
widening works do not support a
widened access route within the existing
wall and, therefore consider the
proposed widening works may be
considered as an approved provision for
vehicle parking within the verge.

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3. Roads Comments
In response to 23/01046/PP, proposed alterations to widen driveway, Roads note the following
comments/ concerns: 
• Visibility splays protect all road users, where a vehicle is required to reverse the operator does
not achieve the unimpeded visibility as that of a vehicle travelling in a forward gear. The
driveway in question is located on a main rural secondary distributor road, connecting the A818
of Sinclair Street with East Abercromby Street. The visibility splay requirements for Charlotte
Street are 42 x 2.4 x 1.05 metres for a 30mph. At the access to 50 Charlotte Street this is not
achievable in the improved operator position of forward gear. Parking in this location or
manoeuvring in this location therefore represents a significant Health and Safety concern to
the road safety of all road users. 
• All new, and alterations to existing accesses must give cognisance to the hierarchy of road
users, and that those in charge of vehicles represent the greatest cause of harm in the event
of a collision and thus bear the greatest responsibility. Where alterations to an existing vehicle
access do not improve the intervisibility of manoeuvring vehicles this represents a significant
Health and Safety concern to all road users, but more specifically the most vulnerable of the
hierarchy, pedestrians. 
• As detailed with Argyll and Bute standard detail drawing, SD08/005 Rev B driveway access,
the minimum width of access is 3.6m. This dimension is formed from the width of a vehicle,
between 2.0 - 2.4m, and the passing width required for a ‘vulnerable pedestrian such as a
pushchair or pram of 1.2m. The application proposes to increase the overall width of the
existing vehicle access to 6.0m. It should be noted that the minimum width of a standard bi-
directional carriageway is 5.5m. 
• Within the applicant’s submission, the pedestrian access gate is located to the south of the
vehicle access gate, yet the application proposes surface widening both north and south of the
existing access surface, increasing the overall width of the vehicle access to 6.0m. Again, it is
reiterated that the It should be noted that the minimum width of a standard bi-directional
carriageway is 5.5m. 
• The Argyll and Bute standard detail drawing, SD08/005 Rev B driveway access, details that
the minimum width of access required, to facilitate a stationary vehicle and a vulnerable
pedestrian, is 3.6m. The existing driveway surface varies in width between 3.5m and 4.0m.
The applicant is proposing a widened access of 6.0m, some 40% larger than the minimum
width required of new build developments. At 6.0m width, the surface could accommodate 2
vehicles and the passing of ‘vulnerable’ pedestrians, and therefore could be misused. 
• On two previous occasions, Roads have been asked to provide consultation response on the
“formation of additional parking”. The most recent application for the widening of the existing
access, to 6.0m, represents an excessive width for the access of 1x vehicle and pedestrian
passage. A width of 6.0m therefore represents a potential for the intensification of vehicle
parking at a location that does not achieve minimum visibility requirements or offer vehicle
turning to facilitate vehicles enter and leave in a forward gear. Any potential intensification of
this existing provision therefore represents a significant Health and Safety concern to the road
safety of all road users.

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4. Roads Response to Appeal Comments 
Appeal comment: 3.6. This reason for refusal represents a misunderstanding of the nature of the
proposed alterations to the driveway. As noted at section 2 above, the widening of the driveway is not
to accommodate further vehicles but rather to accommodate a more direct route for pedestrian access
to/egress from the Property. 
Roads Response: Roads determine the width of the proposed widening (6.0m) excessive for the
proposed use, as this represents the width of a bi-directional carriageway. At the proposed width,
Roads conclude the ability for intensification of the provision, for the parking of vehicles, is greatly
increased and thus represents an increased potential roads hazard. Roads consider the proposed
widening of 6.0m without any hard segregation for pedestrians to represent a significant Health and
Safety concern to the road safety of all road users. 
Appeal comment: 3.11 The Council could also introduce signage regarding the bend if considered
appropriate, or a convex traffic mirror. 
Roads Response: Road hazards should be managed at source through effective design and not
signage. Whilst mirrors placed alongside the carriageway are not supported, the use of signage would
be considered a last option in managing a hazard. Roads do not support the management of new or
altered access arrangements, that represent of a significant Health and Safety concern to the road
safety of all road users, through the use of signage. 
Appeal comment: 3.12 It is not new development in that sense. The Proposed Development is largely
a cosmetic exercise. We therefore do not consider that such a technical assessment is appropriate
since what is proposed is, in effect, a like for like replacement of the existing driveway. 
Roads Response: The existing driveway surface varies in width between 3.5m and 4.0m. The
applicant is proposing a widened access of 6.0m, some 40% larger than the minimum width required
of new build developments. At 6.0m width, the surface could accommodate 2 vehicles and the passing
of ‘vulnerable’ pedestrians, and therefore is not “like for like replacement” but in fact an intensification
of this existing provision that therefore represents a significant Health and Safety concern to the road
safety of all road users. If should be further noted that this location was never approved for the parking
of vehicles and merely vehicle access to the property. 
Appeal comment: 3.25. Further, in the unlikely event of a car being parked on the driveway area then
pedestrians are not being forced to deviate from their walking line on to the road. 
Roads Response: Historically the applicant has previously and repeatedly applied for the formation
of additional parking. On various site visits, Roads have witnessed more than one vehicle parked
within this verge location at any one time. Finally, within picture evidence recorded on the Planning
Portal, a vehicle is parked on the driveway access to the property. Roads would therefore consider
the possibility of a vehicle parking on the access drive area to be likely. Furthermore, at the proposed
width of 6.0m, Roads conclude the ability for intensification of the provision, for the parking of vehicles,
is greatly increased. This therefore represents an increased potential roads hazard. Roads consider
the proposed widening of 6.0m without any hard segregation for pedestrians to represent a significant
Health and Safety concern to the road safety of all road users.

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Appeal comment: 3.26. Again, should the Council wish to restrain parking at this location then the
Council could introduce a Traffic Regulation Order doing so. 
Roads Response: Road design that represents a hazard should be managed at source through
effective design and not through the presence of a Traffic Regulation Orders (TRO) that require
Council resources to create and maintain. 
Appeal comment: 5.2. Disability is a protected characteristic. Section 149 then continues: (3) Having
due regard to the need to advance equality of opportunity between persons who share a relevant
protected characteristic and persons who do not share it involves having due regard, in particular, to
the need to— (a) remove or minimise disadvantages suffered by persons who share a relevant
protected characteristic that are connected to that characteristic; (b) take steps to meet the needs of
persons who share a relevant protected characteristic that are different from the needs of persons
who do not share it; (c) encourage persons who share a relevant protected characteristic to participate
in public life or in any other activity in which participation by such persons is disproportionately low 
Roads Response: Argyll and Bute Roads recognise and support access for all. With that, Roads
identify that the proposed width of 6.0m represents a potential for the intensification of vehicle parking
at a location that does not achieve minimum visibility and that any potential intensification of this
existing provision therefore represents a significant Health and Safety concern to the road safety of
all road users. With due regard for the access of all, Roads counsel that any proposed widening be
limited in width to no greater than 4.0m and controlled through hard segregation between vehicle and
pedestrian access. In doing so, reducing the potential for intensification of use and controlling the
associated Health and Safety concern identified by road. 
Appeal comment: 5.3. In our submission, the appointed officer has failed to take into account that
the Proposed Development will remove or minimise disadvantages suffered by disabled persons. Set
against this backdrop, the Appellant’s planning application aligns with these commitments and should
be positively encouraged by the LRB. The Property’s existing pedestrian access is, in effect, a narrow
mud slope that restricts unimpeded access to the Property and disproportionately affects disabled
path users. 
Roads Response: Roads recognise that the proposed represents a widening of an existing access,
up to the width of a bi-directional carriageway (6.0m). The proposed in its current form does not
“remove or minimise disadvantages suffered by disabled persons” but in fact represents a potential
for the intensification of vehicle parking at a location that does not achieve minimum visibility and thus,
a significant Health and Safety concern to the road safety of all road users, not just those with
disabilities. Roads reiterate that the proposed is a point of access and not a parking provision. As the
appellant states in 3.25.” in the unlikely event of a car being parked on the driveway area” the access
width will be reduced however, as highlighted by the appellant, this is “unlikely” 
Roads would highlight the applicant has previously, and repeatedly applied for the formation of
additional parking in this location and been refused. Roads therefore counsel that any proposed
widening be limited to a width of 4.0m, permitting vehicle passage and also a pedestrian access for
all. Furthermore, Roads would condition that of the 4.0m, 1.2m of pedestrian access be retained
through hard segregation between vehicle and pedestrian access. In doing so, reducing the potential
for intensification of use and controlling the associated Health and Safety concern identified and
ensuring access for all.

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5. Summary 
• The visibility splay requirements for Charlotte Street are 42 x 2.4 x 1.05 metres for a 30mph.
In its existing form, the access of 50 Charlotte Street does not achievable this. 
• Widening of the existing access to the proposed width of 6.0m represents a potential for the
intensification of vehicle parking at a location. A location that does not achieve minimum
visibility requirements. Therefore, any potential intensification of this existing provision
represents a significant Health and Safety concern to the road safety of all road users. 
• The applicant has previously, and repeatedly applied for the formation of additional parking in
this location and been refused. The proposed must therefore be consider a point of access
and into the property and not a parking provision. 
• Roads recognise the Argyll and Bute standard detail drawing, SD08/005 Rev B driveway
access, the minimum width of access is 3.6m. This dimension is formed from the width of a
vehicle, between 2.0 - 2.4m, and the passing width required for a ‘vulnerable pedestrian such
as a pushchair or pram of 1.2m. Roads recommend that any proposed widening be limited to
a width of 4.0m, permitting vehicle passage and also a pedestrian access for all. Furthermore,
Roads would condition that of the 4.0m, 1.2m of pedestrian access be retained through hard
segregation between vehicle and pedestrian access. In doing so, reducing the potential for
intensification minimising the associated Health and Safety concern identified through
insufficient visibility at this location, potential intensification of use and ensuring access for all.