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Item 6 Appendix 5 - Licensing Forum recommendations to Licensing Board

West Dunbartonshire Council · 9 May 2023
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LICENSING FORUM RECOMMENDATIONS TO LICENSING BOARD
DEVELOPMENT OF LICENSING BOARD'S NEW POLICY 
1 Background
1.1 The Licensing Board's current Policy is effective until November 2023. A new Policy will
require to be published before the expiry of the existing Policy. 
1.2 The Licensing Board, when developing its new Policy must make sure that it promotes the
five licensing objectives. 
1.3 At the Licensing Board's meeting of 1 November 2022, the Licensing Board requested that
the Licensing Forum consider information ingathered as part of the Licensing Board's pre-
consultation exercise and thereafter make recommendations to it. These recommendations
are to include what the Licensing Board should consider when preparing its new Policy and
what localities should be considered in terms of overprovision. 
1.4 The Licensing Forum, at its meeting of 29 November 2022 agreed to delegate this task to a
working group. 
2 Membership of the Working Group
2.1 The Sub-Group Membership is as follows:
- Paul Smith, Representative for Entertainment Section of the Licensed Trade,
Chair
- Sergeant David Holmes, Police Scotland
- Chris Kelly, West Dunbartonshire Health and Social Care Partnership
- Pauline Larkin, community resident
- Ronnie McCall, Pubwatch and trade
- Peter Clyde, Licensing Standards
- Michael McDougall providing secretariat support 
3 Material considered by the Working Group
3.1 Working Group members agreed that its recommendations should be evidence-based. The
Working Group had regard to the following information when preparing its
recommendations:-
- Report from NHS and West Dunbartonshire HSCP, i.e. health statistics relating to
West Dunbartonshire and alcohol harm;
- Results from a survey carried out by West Dunbartonshire HSCP about alcohol
purchasing;
- Report from Police Scotland relating to alcohol-related crime statistics in West
Dunbartonshire; 
- Statistics from Licensing Standards relating to the number of licensed premises
and their capacities and hours; and
- Responses to the Licensing Board's pre-consultation exercise that included
responses from trade, health organisations, and the local community.

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3.2 The working group also had regard to the views of its members, who come from diverse
backgrounds ranging from trade to health. 
4 Response
4.1 Members agreed to review overprovision and the terms of the Policy separately. In relation
to the terms of the policy Members agreed to focus on:
- Children and Young Persons’ access;
- Approach to licensed hours;
- Operation of outdoor areas including their terminal hour;
- Approach to occasional licences and extended hours certificates;
- Home deliveries of alcohol; and
- Safe home requirements. 
4.2 Members further agreed that it was important that their recommendations to the
Licensing Board are evidence-based. 
4.3 The Working Group met on two separate occasions and also discussed views via email. 
5 Discussions
Overprovision - consideration of health benefits
5.1 Material submitted to the Working Group highlighted the harm that alcohol consumption
causes in West Dunbartonshire. It was noted that the Licensing Board’s current policy at
paragraph 23.10 narrates that “[t]he Board recognises the positive health benefits
associated with increased employment opportunities as a factor that applicants may use in
support of their application and a factor that may in appropriate circumstances rebut [the
presumption against the grant of an application]. 
5.2 The Health representative drew the Group’s attention to the pre-consultation response
from the West Dunbartonshire Health and Social Care Partnership and others. In particular,
the statement that “[the respondents] do not consider the employment benefits to offset
the significant alcohol related health harms within West Dunbartonshire.” It was noted that
studies show that the societal costs cancel any economic benefit.1 It was clarified that there
is literature to support the contention that employment is associated with health benefits
(with reference being made to Waddell and Burton, “Is work good for your health and well-
being”).2 All members of the Working Group recognised that the opening of a licensed
premises may bring benefits to a local area. However, both health and trade
representatives voiced concerns that this should not necessarily follow that the Licensing
Board should look favourably upon such applications. It was agreed that the Licensing
Board should carefully consider the balancing of possible health benefits through
employment against the health harms. 
1 Pardoe, L., 2023. Getting in the spirit?-Alcohol and the Scottish economy-Aveek Bhattacharya.
2 Also see Roelfs, D.J., Shor, E., Davidson, K.W. and Schwartz, J.E., 2011. Losing life and livelihood: a systematic
review and meta-analysis of unemployment and all-cause mortality. Social science & medicine, 72(6), pp.840-
854.

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5.3 Trade representatives of the Working Group explained that while the grant of a new licence
may create employment opportunities, it may also see employment lost in other existing
premises. The Working Group agreed that the Licensing Board must be cognisant of the
likelihood that for every job that the grant of a licence may create, there is a real risk that
another job is lost and equal weight ought to be given to jobs lost as to jobs created. For
example, where an application is for a type of premises that does not replicate existing
provision in the area then the Board may be of the view that the grant of the application
may well create jobs however, where the application mirrors existing provision, the Board
should have regard to the jobs that may be lost as a result of the grant. 
Overprovision – types of premises and areas of overprovision
5.4 The Working Group reviewed the number and type of premises in West Dunbartonshire
(see Appendix A). 
5.5 All members agreed that the Board's current Policy whereby reliance was placed on
intermediate data zones as localities, continued to be fit for purpose and allowed for
statistics to be reviewed across West Dunbartonshire. 
5.6 The Working Group agreed that it was important that they satisfy themselves that there is a
dependable causal link between the availability of alcohol and an inconsistency with the
licensing objectives. 
5.7 Members were concerned at the level of alcohol-related harm evidenced by the statistics
provided by NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde. The Working Group noted that 15 of the 18
intermediate data zones had two or more indicators that met or exceeded the Scottish
average. Moreover, Members noted that the Scottish average for the indicators had
increased from when the Licensing Board had last considered the matter of overprovision
albeit the Working Group were of the view that it was welcome that three of the 18
localities had two out of three indicators under the Scottish average (IZ05, IZ07, and IZ09).
The Working Group noted that the Licensing Board has previously utilised the Scottish
average as a tool to, in part, identify those areas where overprovision exists. This seemed to
the Working Group to be a reasonable and proportionate way to proceed. 
5.8 The Working Group had continued to have real concern at the levels of alcohol-related in all
intermediate zones and was of the view that the Licensing Board should keep these areas
under review throughout the currency of the Board’s policy and through the Licensing
Forum invite updates from the NHS and other partner agencies. 
Occasional licences
5.9 Members of the Working Group were made aware of the recent case of Keasim Ltd -v- City
of Glasgow Licensing Board. Members were concerned at the continued high level of
occasional licences being issued in West Dunbartonshire. 
5.10 The Working Group noted the high use of occasional licences and the range of events and
premises licensed. For example, the working group was aware that occasional licences are
used for pop-up bars and shops, festivals, and "bridging the gap", i.e. where premises have

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not yet had their premises licence confirmed. The Group further noted that occasional
licences are not subject to the same scrutiny as premises licence applications. They noted
that this was at times appropriate but that the Licensing Board should take steps to make
sure that the operation of the occasional licences promotes the licensing objectives. 
Extended hours certificates
5.11 The Working Group agreed that while extended hours certificates were useful in allowing
licensed premises with permission for on-sales to stay open longer for special events, it
concluded that the current Policy of permitting one-hour additional trading to be dealt with
by way of delegated authority remained reasonable and proportionate. There was a
concern that a more permissive approach to extended hours certificates would place an
additional burden on police resources. 
Licensed hours - on-sales
5.12 When considering the issue of licensed hours the working group had regard to the statistics
presented by Police Scotland. It was noted that statistics had been provided for the past
three years. Members further noted that the covid-19 pandemic will have had an impact on
these statistics. The level of alcohol-related crimes and disorder remained a concern for
members. Separately, members discussed the benefits of a differential terminal hour
between public house-type operations and nightclub-type operations in terms of the
dispersal of persons and differential pressure on late-night transport. 
Licensed hours - off-sales
5.13 Given the level of alcohol harm in West Dunbartonshire, members of the Working Group
were supportive of the Licensing Board's current policy whereby the terminal hour for off-
sales type premises is restricted to 2000 hours with a 2200 hours only granted where the
Licensing Board is satisfied that enhanced control measures are in place. 
Children and Young Persons' access
5.14 Members of the Working Group expressed a diverse range of views about the nature and
extent of Children and Young Persons' access to licensed premises. Some members
expressed concern concerning the wording of the Licensing Board's current Policy, which
could be seen as overly permissive. Concern was also expressed regarding the
normalisation of alcohol drinking and its impact on Children and Young Persons. Others
members highlighted the importance of family-friendly premises and, in particular, the
need to cater for tourists and visitors to West Dunbartonshire. 
5.15 The Working Group noted the importance of ensuring that Children and Young Persons are
only permitted access to suitable and appropriate premises. 
Safe home requirements

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5.16 Having considered detail around the policy concept of “Safe Home”, all members agreed it
was, of course, important that members of staff working in licensed premises are safe.
Members discussed practical difficulties around imposing requirements on licensed
premises in this regard and also noted that the safety of workers in this context applied to a
wide range of industries. Regard was had to whether such a requirement was legal under
the Licensing (Scotland) Act 2005. 
Home deliveries
5.17 The Members of the Working Group discussed the rapid growth of home deliveries. There
was a concern as to how the purchase and delivery of this alcohol takes place. It was noted
that alcohol is increasingly purchased and consumed at home. Reference was made to the
survey carried out by the West Dunbartonshire Health and Social Care Partnership (it was
noted that the sample was small). Members expressed a general concern around home
deliveries and were of the view that the Licensing Board should satisfy itself that premises
delivered alcohol in a manner consistent with the licensing objectives. 
Licensed outdoor areas
5.18 Members of the Working Group noted concerns expressed through the pre-consultation
exercise around the visibility of alcohol drinking and its impact on children and young
persons as well as the vulnerable. Differing views were expressed around the relevant
factors for determining the suitability of  an outdoor area. All agreed that the Licensing
Board should carefully examine applications that seek permission for outdoor drinking.
Regarding a suitable terminal hour, the Group agreed that 2200 hours remained
appropriate to protect residential amenity. However, the Board should listen to arguments
for exceptions where it can be demonstrated that the licensing objective of preventing
public nuisance will not be compromised.   
6 Recommendations
6.1 The Working Group agree to make the following recommendations to the Licensing Board:
• The Licensing Board consider the following in relation to its overprovision assessment:
(1) satisfy itself that it is appropriate in all the circumstances to grant a licence bearing
in mind the significant health harms being seen in areas of overprovision and whether
the health benefits from employment support that; and (2) have cognisance of the
wider impact that a grant of a licence in overprovision locality may have.
• That the Licensing Board should retain its evidence-led overprovision assessment. With
this in mind the Working Group was of the view that the material satisfies it that all
localities are overprovided for the exception of IZ05, IZ07 and IZ09.
• The occasional licence part of the policy should be kept under review pending any
legislative developments. 
• The Licensing Board should develop a pool of licence conditions that can be attached to
the occasional licence depending on its purpose. These conditions should ensure that
the licensing objectives are complied with by the licence holder. Trade representatives
on the group noted that a pool of conditions would allow applicants to know what
conditions may be attached to the licence.

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• The terms of the current Policy in relation to extended hours certificates should be
retained.
• That licensed hours for on-sales type premises remain unchanged.
• The licensed hours for off-sale type premises remain unchanged and the requirement
for additional control measures for premises opening past 2000 hours should be
retained.
• After detailed discussion whereby a range of differing views were heard in full, the
Working Group concluded to recommend that the policy should allow for access where
the purpose is the consumption of food or attendance at a pre-booked function and
that terminal hour for Children and Young Persons should remain at 2200 hours
provided that the Licensing Board consider exemptions on a case by case where the
premises are catering for tourists.
• The Licensing Board consider, where appropriate, attaching conditions setting out its
requirements around Children and Young Persons access (provided that the conditions
are lawful and enforceable).
• The Licensing Board should develop a robust policy around home deliveries of alcohol
including a suite of conditions that the Board will consider attaching to licences where
permission for home deliveries is sought.
• The Group recommends that the Licensing Board review applications that seek
permission for outdoor drinking carefully, having cognisance of local geography. It also
recommends that a 2200 hours terminal hour remains appropriate in most cases.

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Appendix A – List of premises in West Dunbartonshire
IDZ On-sales Off-sales Both on-sales and off-sales
IZ01 Clydebank East inc. Whitecrook (part) 0 6 1
IZ02 Clydebank Central inc. Dalmuir (part) &
Whitecrook (part)
6 9 11
IZ03 Drumry & Linnvale 2 3 1
IZ04 South Parkhall, Radnor Park and North
Kilbowie
2 3 2
IZ05 Goldenhill, Parkhall North, East
Kilbowie & Hardgate Central
2 5 5
IZ06 Faifley & Hardgate East 0 3 1
IZ07 Duntocher & Concho 1 2 2
IZ08 Mountblow, Parkhall West and Dalmuir
Central 
2 5 2
IZ09 Old Kilpatrick  1 5 4
IZ10 Barnhill, High Overtoun, Milton &
Bowling
0 5 6
IZ11 Dumbarton North East- Bellsmyre &
Silverton East 
0 4 0
IZ12 Dumbarton Central, Dumbarton East &
Townend 
6 12 11
IZ13 Dumbarton West   1 1 2
IZ14 Renton, Old Bonhill & Loch Lomond
West
1 1 4
IZ15 Bonhill, Lomondgate & Renton North 0 4 2
IZ16 Alexandria Central, Rosshead &
Dalmonach
0 9 4
IZ17 Balloch & Alexandria North  8 7 15
IZ18 Jamestown, Balloch North East,
Haldane & Gartocharn
2 5 5

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Appendix B – Police statistics as they relate to alcohol
IDZ Violence per 10,000 head of population Domestic abuse crimes & incidents per
10,000 head of population
Alcohol specific crimes per 10,000 head
of population
IZ01 Clydebank East inc. Whitecrook (part) 6th  3rd  10th 
IZ02 Clydebank Central inc. Dalmuir (part) &
Whitecrook (part)
4th  2nd  1st 
IZ03 Drumry & Linnvale 7th 4th  9th 
IZ04 South Parkhall, Radnor Park and North
Kilbowie
18th 10th  18th 
IZ05 Goldenhill, Parkhall North, East
Kilbowie & Hardgate Central
5th 14th  2nd 
IZ06 Faifley & Hardgate East 13th 7th  13th 
IZ07 Duntocher & Concho 8th 16th  17th 
IZ08 Mountblow, Parkhall West and Dalmuir
Central 
1st 1st  7th 
IZ09 Old Kilpatrick  15th 18th  16th 
IZ10 Barnhill, High Overtoun, Milton &
Bowling
17th 17th  6th 
IZ11 Dumbarton North East- Bellsmyre &
Silverton East 
12th  13th  11th 
IZ12 Dumbarton Central, Dumbarton East &
Townend 
10th  15th  3rd 
IZ13 Dumbarton West   9th 5th  15th 
IZ14 Renton, Old Bonhill & Loch Lomond
West
14th 8th  14th 
IZ15 Bonhill, Lomondgate & Renton North 16th  12th  12th 
IZ16 Alexandria Central, Rosshead &
Dalmonach
3rd  6th  8th 
IZ17 Balloch & Alexandria North  11th 9th  4th 
IZ18 Jamestown, Balloch North East,
Haldane & Gartocharn
2nd  11th  5th

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Appendix C – Deprivation in West Dunartonshire
IDZ Deprivation – percentage of population living in most deprived 40% data zones
IZ01 Clydebank East inc. Whitecrook (part) 100
IZ02 Clydebank Central inc. Dalmuir (part) & Whitecrook (part) 100
IZ03 Drumry & Linnvale 100
IZ04 South Parkhall, Radnor Park and North Kilbowie 100
IZ05 Goldenhill, Parkhall North, East Kilbowie & Hardgate Central 22
IZ06 Faifley & Hardgate East 100
IZ07 Duntocher & Concho 41
IZ08 Mountblow, Parkhall West and Dalmuir Central  85
IZ09 Old Kilpatrick  15
IZ10 Barnhill, High Overtoun, Milton & Bowling 17
IZ11 Dumbarton North East- Bellsmyre & Silverton East  71
IZ12 Dumbarton Central, Dumbarton East & Townend  14
IZ13 Dumbarton West   86
IZ14 Renton, Old Bonhill & Loch Lomond West 68
IZ15 Bonhill, Lomondgate & Renton North 93
IZ16 Alexandria Central, Rosshead & Dalmonach 88
IZ17 Balloch & Alexandria North  58
IZ18 Jamestown, Balloch North East, Haldane & Gartocharn 52