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West Dunbartonshire Council · 6 September 2022
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WEST DUNBARTONSHIRE LICENSING FORUM
24 August 2022
Dear Sir/Madam,
The Statutory Joint Meeting of the West Dunbartonshire Licensing Forum and
Licensing Board will commence at 10.00 a.m. on Tuesday, 6 September 2022 (see
separate agenda)
Notice is hereby given that a Meeting of the West Dunbartonshire Licensing
Forum will be held immediately following the conclusion of the Joint Meeting. This
will be a Hybrid meeting where Members have the option to attend the meeting
remotely via Zoom Video Conference, or in person at the Civic Space, 16 Church
Street, Dumbarton, G82 1QL. 
The business of the Licensing Forum Meeting is as shown on the enclosed
agenda.
Yours faithfully
PAUL SMITH
Chair to the Licensing Forum
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BUSINESS OF MEETING:-
1 APOLOGIES
2 CHAIRPERSON’S REPORT
The Chairperson, Mr Paul Smith, will provide an update on the business of
the Forum for 2022/23.
3 MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING 5 – 9
Submit for approval as a correct record the Minutes of the Meeting of the
Licensing Forum held on 14 June 2022.
4 COVID-19 AND IMPACT ON LICENSING IN SCOTLAND UPDATE
Mr Paul Smith, Chairperson, will provide a verbal update on the impact of
Covid-19 on Licensing in Scotland.
5 LICENSING STANDARDS OFFICERS – UPDATE
The Licensing Standards Officers will provide a verbal update on issues and
events that may be of interest to the Forum.
6 LICENSING (SCOTLAND) ACT 2005 – STATISTICAL INFORMATION: 
PERSONAL AND PREMISES LICENCES
The Forum is advised that premises and personal licence applications, in
terms of the Licensing (Scotland) Act 2005 for the period 22 February 2022 to
20 May 2022, have been received as follows:-
Premises Licence Applications No. 
Applications for Premises Licences granted 266
Applications for Premises Licences refused 13
Applications for Premises Licences (Members’ Clubs) granted         32
Applications for Major Variation of Premises Licence
granted 205
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Applications for Variation of Premises Licence pending Hearings         1
Applications for Provisional Premises Licence pending Hearings         0
Application for Provisional Premises Licence (Members’ Club)               0
Application for Temporary Premises Licence pending Hearing               0
Application for Premises Licence pending                                                  0
Premises Licences revoked                                                                       0         
Personal Licence Applications                                                      No.         
Applications for Personal Licences received                                         1438
Personal Licences issued                                                                          1431
Application for Personal Licence refused                                                   4
Application for Personal Licence revoked                                                    3 
7 UPDATE FROM POLICE SCOTLAND  
David Holmes, the Licensing Sergeant, Police Scotland, will provide a verbal
update on policing in the West Dunbartonshire area. 
8 PROPOSAL FOR NEW MEMBER OF WEST DUNBARTONSHIRE 
LICENSING FORUM 
Submit proposal from Licensing Standards Officer for a new Member of West 
Dunbartonshire Licensing Forum. 
9 CURRENT TRENDS IN LICENSING 
Members are requested to consider any current trends in licensing. 
10 ANY OTHER BUSINESS 
Members are requested to consider any other business with the Forum. 
10 DATE OF NEXT MEETING 
The Forum is requested to agree the date, time and venue of its next
meeting.  It is suggested that the meeting be held on Tuesday, 29 November
2022 at 2.00 p.m. as a Hybrid Meeting, with Members having the option of
attending in person in the Civic Space, 16 Church Street, Dumbarton, or
remotely via Zoom Video Conference. 
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Distribution:- 
Holders of Premises Licences and Personal Licences:-
Paul Smith, Licence Holder & Representative of Entertainment Section of Licensed
Trade (Acting Chairperson)
Ian McLean, Representative of the On Sales Section of the Licensed Trade 
Craig McLaughlin, Personal Licence Holder/Premises Licence Operator 
Representative of the Chief Constable:-
Sergeant David Holmes, Licensing Sergeant, L Division, Police Scotland 
Persons having functions relating to Health, Education and Social Work:-
Sylvia Chatfield, Head of Mental Health, Learning Disabilities and Addictions, West
Dunbartonshire Community Health and Care Partnership 
Representative for Young People:-
Jessica Boyle, Member of the Scottish Youth Parliament - Dumbarton & Alexandria
Tian-Qi Yu, Member of the Scottish Youth Parliament - Clydebank & Milngavie 
Representative of Persons resident within the Forum’s area:-
Linda Speir, Silvertoun and Overtoun Community Council
Pauline Larking, Bonhill and Dalmonoak Community Council
Isabel Plunkett, Old Kilpatrick Community Council 
Representative of Members Clubs within the Forum’s area:-
Vacancy 
Representative of Supermarkets:-
Allan Cowan, Lidl Supermarket, Dumbarton 
Representative of Pubwatch:-
Vacancy 
Chair of the Licensing Board:-
Councillor Ian Dickson
Councillor June McKay 
Licensing Standards Officers:-
Peter Clyde, Licensing Standards Officer
Lawrence Knighton, Licensing Standards Officer 
Officers:-
Peter Hessett, Clerk to the Licensing Board
Nigel Ettles, Interim Depute Clerk to the Licensing Board
Robert Mackie, Senior Officer (Licensing Services), Regulatory 
For information on the above agenda please contact Lynn Straker, Committee Officer,
Regulatory, Municipal Buildings, Station Road, Dumbarton G82 1NR 
Email: lynn.straker@west-dunbarton.gov.uk
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Minutes of Meeting of West Dunbartonshire Local Licensing Forum 
Tuesday, 14 June 2022 at 2.00 p.m. held by Zoom Video Conference
Present:
Paul Smith, Representative for Entertainment Section of the Licensed Trade (Chair 
of Licensing Forum)
Councillor Ian Dickson, Chair of the Licensing Board
Lawrence Knighton, Licensing Standards Officer (LSO), West Dunbartonshire
Council
Sergeant David Holmes, Police Scotland – Licensing Sergeant for West
Dunbartonshire
Sylvia Chatfield - Head of Mental Health, Learning Disabilities and Addictions, West
Dunbartonshire Council
Pauline Larking, Bonhill and Dalmonach Community Council
Councillor John Millar, Member of Licensing Board, West Dunbartonshire Council
Councillor Lawrence O’Neill, Member of Licensing Board, West Dunbartonshire
Council
Attending:
Nigel Ettles, Interim Depute Clerk to the Licensing Board
Lynn Straker, Committee Officer, West Dunbartonshire Council
Also Attending:
Christine Anderson, Health Improvement - Health and Social Care Partnership
Sophie Marshall, Working4U Development Officer
Apologies:
Councillor June McKay, Member of Licensing Board, West Dunbartonshire Council
Peter Clyde, Licensing Standards Officer (LSO), West Dunbartonshire Council
Craig McLaughlin, Representative for Premises Licence Holders
Linda Speir, Silverton and Overtoun Community Council
Isobel Plunkett, Old Kilpatrick Community Council
Tian Qi Yu, MSYP Representative
Jessica Boyle, MSYP Representative
Mr Paul Smith in the Chair
CHAIRPERSON’S REPORT
The Chairperson, Mr Paul Smith, provided an update on the business of the Forum
for 2022/23. He welcomed the new Members of the West Dunbartonshire Licensing
Board and thanked the outgoing Chair of the Licensing Board, Councillor Ian
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Dickson, for his dedicated work and commitment to the Licensing Forum throughout
his tenure. He noted that West Dunbartonshire Licensing Board and Licensing
Forum had been pioneering in the work they had done throughout the Covid
pandemic and endured what had been a particularly difficult time for the hospitality
industry. He added that there were tough times ahead for the industry and its
recovery would take some time. 
He also commented on the additional pressures facing the industry, namely:-
• The cost of living crisis;
• The increase in costs of electricity and gas, particularly in a commercial sense
having almost doubled making the running of hospitality establishments a
costly business;
• The loss of client base for hospitality, with numbers of customers turning to
the off-sales market rather than on-sales premises; and
• The cost of large debts that had been run up throughout the lockdown
months.
MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING
The Minutes of the Meeting of the Licensing Forum held on 8 March 2022 were
submitted and approved as a correct record.
A REVIEW OF LICENSING RELATED ACTIVITY CARRIED OUT BY HEALTH
THROUGHOUT 2021/22
Sylvia Chatfield, Head of Mental Health, Learning Disabilities and Addictions within
West Dunbartonshire Health and Social Care Partnership, provided an overview of
health activity during 2021/22 in relation to Licensing. She detailed the current
Alcohol Harm Indicators which were used by Health when reviewing and responding
to licensing applications and noted, in comparison to Scotland overall, West
Dunbartonshire’s stats were the worse. 
Sylvia also updated the Forum on the current Planet Youth in Scotland survey which
was completed by S3 pupils in Clydebank High School giving a better understanding
of our young people and their access to and consumption of alcohol. 
Sylvia lastly noted that West Dunbartonshire had some of the worst alcohol harm
rates in Scotland and asked the Forum to note these findings and support measures
to tackle the problem. 
COVID-19 AND IMPACT ON LICENSING IN SCOTLAND UPDATE
Mr Smith, Chairperson, provided a verbal update on the impact of
Covid-19 on Licensing in Scotland. He advised that we are beginning to now see the
data on the significant shift of consumption of alcohol from the On-Sales trade
premises to Off-Sales which was understandable when the hospitality industry was
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effectively closed but had now re-opened, showing that customers were still slow in
returning. 
He advised that it was worth noting that the cost of production of alcohol, including
the cost of ingredients, had sky-rocketed in recent months since the pandemic had
eased, which would inevitably increase the on-trade price of alcohol. He further
advised that only the large supermarkets would be better equipped to absorb the
additional costs effectively and this could really effect the smaller on-trade and off-
sales licensed premises. 
Lastly, Mr Smith advised that one of the key duties of the Licensing Board was to
produce an Overprovision Policy. The existing Policy would have to be refreshed and
all of partner agencies who inputted significantly to the existing Policy would be
required to liaise and update their contribution to the new Policy. He asked Lawrence
Knighton, Licensing Standards Officer for West Dunbartonshire Council to research
what was required and also the deadline date for the new Overprovision Policy and
circulate this information to Forum members.  
LICENSING STANDARDS OFFICER’S – UPDATE
Lawrence Knighton, Licensing Standards Officer, West Dunbartonshire Council
provided a verbal update on issues and events that may be of interest to the Forum.
He noted that Pub watches had been successfully re-established since the pandemic
which was good news for the trade. He advised that they were noticing a certain
amount of normality returning to the trade such as larger events taking place, e.g.
the Kiltwalk and Pipe Band Championships etc. Equally there was an increased
amount of interest in smaller community events and West Dunbartonshire had
received 245 occasional license applications this year so far and the average pre-
pandemic was 300 for the full year so it appeared things were back on track to where
they were prior to the pandemic. 
Mr Knighton also noted that there was an ongoing project to reduce trouble in local
green space and parks etc. in conjunction with Police Scotland aimed at making
outdoor spaces safer. 
He also asked for assistance from the Forum on the use of Occasional Licenses for
outdoor beer gardens on Licensed Premises. The regulations for Occasional
Licenses being granted were relaxed during the pandemic to make socialising and
social distancing easier, however this relaxing of the rules will cease in September
2022 and there was concern that the Scottish Government may then request the
applicant to seek Planning permission for the outdoor space, so Forum members will
need to liaise closely to decide if Occasional Licenses going forward will continue to
be the norm or if it would be for Planning to make the final decision. The Licensing
Board will require to work closely to ensure correct decisions are made on
applications; particularly when there has been very little trouble, if any at all, driven
from these outdoor spaces and they have been of great assistance to the trade. 
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LICENSING (SCOTLAND) ACT 2005 – STATISTICAL INFORMATION:
PERSONAL AND PREMISES LICENCES 
The Forum was advised that premises and personal licence applications, in terms of
the Licensing (Scotland) Act 2005 for the period 22 February 2022 to 20 May 2022,
had been received as follows:- 
Premises Licence Applications      No. 
Applications for Premises Licences granted    266
Applications for Premises Licences refused      13
Applications for Premises Licences (Members’ Clubs) granted   32
Applications for Major Variation of Premises Licence granted  205
Applications for Variation of Premises Licence pending Hearings     1
Applications for Provisional Premises Licence pending Hearings     0
Application for Provisional Premises Licence (Members’ Club)     0
Application for Temporary Premises Licence pending Hearing     0
Application for Premises Licence pending        0
Premises Licences revoked          0 
Personal Licence Applications      No. 
Applications for Personal Licences received    1438
Personal Licences issued       1431
Application for Personal Licence refused           4
Application for Personal Licence revoked          3 
UPDATE FROM POLICE SCOTLAND 
The Licensing Sergeant, Sergeant David Holmes, Police Scotland, introduced
himself to the Forum as this was his first meeting and stated that he was looking
forward to working closely with Members of the Forum. He advised, from a Police
perspective, that they were beginning to see a return to normal in terms of post-
pandemic and the public slowly returning to on-sales premises. 
He noted that since he had been appointed to the Licensing Sergeant role there had
not been anything glaring or urgent requiring to be dealt with in terms of License
trade in West Dunbartonshire. Any incidents which had been raised he had noted
that Police Scotland had worked well with the LSOs and License holders to offer
additional support and be more pro-active in the area to ensure it did not happen
again. Sergeant Holmes advised that he would liaise with LSOs and the Interim
Depute Clerk in the coming months and discuss anything he could bring back to the
next Licensing Forum meeting. 
DATE OF NEXT MEETING 
The Forum was requested to agree the date, time and venue of its next meeting. It
was proposed that the next meeting be held as a Joint Meeting of the Licensing
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Board and the Licensing Forum on Tuesday, 6 September 2022 at 10.00 a.m. as a
Hybrid Meeting, with Members having the option of attending in person in the Civic
Space, 16 Church Street, Dumbarton, or remotely via Zoom Video Conference. 
The Forum noted that this date, time and format would require to be approved by the
new Chair of the Licensing Board on 21 June 2022 and by West Dunbartonshire
Council on 22 June 2022, and that Members of the Licensing Forum would be
emailed to confirm the date once fully agreed. 
The meeting closed at 2.57 p.m.
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