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Item 06 - Minutes of Joint Consultative Forum

West Dunbartonshire Council · 7 February 2024
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JOINT CONSULTATIVE FORUM
At a Meeting of the Joint Consultative Forum held in Council Chambers, Clydebank
Town Hall, 5 Hall Street, Clydebank on Thursday, 14 December 2023 at 2.00 p.m.
Present: Councillors David McBride, Michelle McGinty and Martin
Rooney; James Halfpenny (EIS); Paul Carey and David Scott
(GMB); Claire MacKenzie (SSTA); Susan Shannon and David
Smith (UNISON); and Margaret Wood (Unite).
Attending: Victoria Rogers, Chief Officer – People and Technology; Gail
Macfarlane, Chief Officer – Roads and Neighbourhood; Andrew
Brown, Senior Education Officer – Policy, Performance &
Resources; Claire Cusick, Senior Education Officer; John Duffy,
People, Quality and Governance Lead; Gillian Gall, Head of
Human Resources, West Dunbartonshire Health & Social Care
Partnership (HSCP); Alison McBride, Strategic People and
Change Manager; Michael McDougall, Principal Solicitor; and
Scott Kelly, Committee Officer.
Apologies: Apologies for absence were intimated on behalf of Councillors
Daniel Lennie, Karen Murray Conaghan and Hazel Sorrell;
Shirley Furie and John Wagner (GMB); Alan Douglas, Chief
Officer – Regulatory and Regeneration; Amanda Graham, Chief
Officer – Citizen, Culture and Facilities; Laura Mason, Chief
Education Officer; Laurence Slavin, Chief Officer – Resources;
Sylvia Chatfield, Head of Service for Mental Health, Addictions
and Learning Disabilities, HSCP; and Fiona Taylor, Head of
Health and Community Care, HSCP. 
Mr David Smith in the Chair
DECLARATIONS OF INTEREST
It was noted that there were no declarations of interest in any of the items of
business on the agenda.
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MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING 
The Minutes of Meeting of the Joint Consultative Forum held on 7 September 2023
were submitted and approved as a correct record, subject to David Smith (UNISON)
being removed from the list of those who had been in attendance at the meeting and
who had voted in relation to the item under the heading ‘Annual Monitoring Report
2022/23 – Employment Equalities’. 
EQUAL PAY AUDIT 2023/24 
A report was submitted by the Chief Officer – People & Technology providing an
update on the findings and actions following the Council’s triennial Equal Pay Audit
for the period 2023/24 
After discussion and having heard the Chief Officer and the People, Quality and
Governance Lead in further explanation and in answer to Members’ questions, the
Forum agreed to note the contents of the report and the associated action plan. 
TRADES UNION ISSUES 
‘Job Profiles’ (item requested by Joint Trades Union) 
It was noted that Mrs Wood, Unite, had provided the undernoted statement in
advance of the meeting in relation to the above issue. 
“Changing job profile without employees being aware, managers misrepresenting the
duties at job evaluation panel too force Learning Assistants to administer medication
i.e. intermittent catheterisation, peg feeding etc. Raised with Education and at
conveners meeting.” 
Following discussion and having heard Mrs Wood in further explanation, and officers
in response, the Forum agreed:- 
(1) to note that it was Education officers’ understanding that the correct
procedures in relation to job evaluation had been followed in the past but that
they would ensure that relevant employee(s) would be invited to attend future
job evaluation (to be determined by the analysts); 
(2) to note that a working group had been established in order that Education
officers and trades union representatives could discuss the resourcing and
training of employees who would carry out tasks including the administering of
medication to children; and 
(3) to note that if any employees considered that they may benefit from re-
attending any training in this regard then this would gladly be accommodated.

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‘HS1s’ (item requested by Unite) 
It was noted that Mrs Wood, Unite, had provided the undernoted statement in
advance of the meeting in relation to the above issue. 
“HS1’s not being completed within Education other employees being disciplined for
not completing no consistency. Raised consistently with Education and Conveners.” 
Following discussion and having heard Mrs Wood in further explanation, and officers
in response, the Forum agreed:- 
(1) to note that HS1 forms could be completed by employees, but ideally in
conjunction with their managers; and 
(2) to note that a pilot project in relation to HS1 processes, using Google Forms,
would be taking place in Education in the near future and that it would be
reviewed following its conclusion. 
‘HSCP Failing to Adhere to WDC Change Policies’ (item requested by UNISON)/
‘HSCP Issues with Consulting with Trade Unions’ (item requested by UNISON) 
It was noted that Mr Smith, UNISON, had provided the undernoted statements in
advance of the meeting in relation to the above issues. 
“WD JTU have recently brought to JCF the HSCP for a similar issue, during this
meeting HSCP gave assurances that they would follow the correct procedure for
local government workforce which is the Change management process and
supporting organisational change documentation. 
“It was our expectation that after this meeting that the HSCP would move to follow
this process, this did not happen, HSCP continued to utilise the 4 D approach to
service re-design. WD JTU has raised this as an issue at the Convener meeting for
community care and we have also discussed this at the HSCP’s JSF.” 
“WD JTU had been aware for some time that a document was produced detailing
information about the care at home re-design. WDC policies and procedures would
dictate that TU’s would be involved with this, we were not. Repeatedly at various
meetings WD JTU had asked for this information to be shared with us, including the
data behind it. When agreement was reached to share it came to the trade unions
only a few days before a meeting was arranged to discuss said document. We are
confused as to why this is the case. Issues raised at meetings.” 
Following discussion and having heard Mr Smith in further explanation, and the
Head of Human Resources, HSCP, in response, the Forum agreed:- 
(1) to note that a consultation process had recently taken place in relation to the
review of the Integration Joint Board;

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(2) to note that it was necessary for West Dunbartonshire Council terms,
conditions and policies to be applied to Council employees. 
VALEDICTORY – MARGARET WOOD (UNITE) 
Having heard Mr Smith, Chair, it was noted that this would be the final meeting of the
Forum which Mrs Wood would attend as she was ending her time as both the UNITE
Convenor and a trade union representative. Mr Smith, on behalf of the Forum,
expressed his thanks to Mrs Wood and wished her well for the future, stating that her
standing down would be a big loss to the Joint Trades Union.  The Chief Officer –
People and Technology echoed these sentiments. 
The meeting closed at 3.45 p.m.