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REVIEW THE SCHEME FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF COMMUNITY COUNCILS App 1 V1 C.._

Argyll and Bute Council · 19 May 2022
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PROPOSAL TO REVIEW THE SCHEME FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT
OF COMMUNITY COUNCILS IN ARGYLL AND BUTE: PHASE ONE
FEEDBACK 
Appendix 1 
Summary of Feedback  Comments (if any)
1. As you know, I have been treasurer of Helensburgh Community Council for
many years, having also previously been its chairman in the 1990s. I can see no
good reason why the accounts cannot be submitted to one of the ordinary
meetings of the Community Council, rather than just to the annual general
meeting. After all, the quorum for the annual general meeting is the same as for
an ordinary meeting. I feel that my proposal would make the conduct of
Community Council affairs simpler without any negative consequences.
It is standard practice to submit annual accounts
for any constituted group to the annual general
meeting.  This follows the existing National Model
Scheme and would be expected to be included in
any new version.  This then ensures that anyone
who has a particular interest in public spending,
but not otherwise attend meetings on a regular
basis, knows that accounts are scrutinised at the
AGM.  The proposal would remove this fixed
annual date, would cause confusion for those who
only attend the AGM to ensure due process is
followed, and therefore is not recommended for
inclusion in an amended version of the
Scheme. 
2. My only concern is that if an AGM is to be carried out on-line that we have permission
to submit the accounts at the meeting for approval by those who are present. As it
stands, our accounts have not been scrutinised for 2 yrs by either the Council or
formally by the community (though they have been presented and voted on by those
attending the AGM on-line).
Providing the accounts are in some way available
to the community (possibly included with the AGM
agenda which should be displayed locally on a
public noticeboard/displayed online or shared as
a presentation at the online meeting) this would
fulfil the requirement to make them available for
public scrutiny.  No change is necessary to the
Scheme – community councils can put in
place whichever of the options outlined about
suit their own needs.
3. We are in general content with the proposed changes. 
However in para 5 of the Best Practice Agreement, it suggests a minimum of one month
for consultations.  Many smaller CCs only meet every two months, and even here in
The minimum consultation period is one month
but having looked at some of the recent
consultations carried out, at least 50% of council
led consultations lasted for 2 or more months.

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Oban we don't meet in July or December.  We would suggest that consultations should
last at least two months. 
We note that you don't intend to look at boundary changes.  We pointed out at the
previous Review in 2017 that, particularly as Oban grows, our boundaries need revision. 
In particular the area to the south of the A85 at Dunbeg, ie the hill overlooking the
village,  should be within the boundary of Dunbeg CC. and to the south of Oban the
whole of the Auction Mart area should be in Oban,  not Kilmore. 
However, there can be other factors which require
a tighter response time and rather than extend the
minimum timescale it would be preferable to
encourage services, where possible, to have
longer responses times.
The question of boundaries between Dunbeg and
Oban and Oban and Kilmore & Kilbride were
raised in the 2018 review on the basis of planning
concerns.  At this time it was noted that a
neighbouring community council putting forward a
representation would be treated as a statutory
consultee and therefore the council did not see
the need to alter the existing boundaries.  Kilmore
Community Council (as they were known at the
time) also commented that they supported the
council view not to alter the existing boundary,
citing that their surrounding community identify
with its historic boundary and accordingly they did
not wish this to change.  With no case being
made for the proposals suggested, it would be
difficult to consult on the rationale for a
boundary change but the suggestion, as
proposed, can be included in the paperwork
for the review which will allow those affected
to forward a representation.  Any
representations received can then be fed back
in when the final version of the amended
Scheme is presented.
4. Having considered the amendments to the Scheme for the Establishment of
Community Councils in Argyll and Bute 2022, other than recommending a change of
name of Strachur to “Strachur and District”, which better reflects the wider area
covered, we agree with all the proposed changes, including those affecting the Model
Constitution and Standing Orders. 
We are also satisfied with the current Community Council boundaries and with the
current administrative grant.
The name “Strachur and District” has been
consulted on locally by Strachur Community
Council, no objection has been received locally
and therefore it is suggested that the name
change be included in the 2nd stage proposals.

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5. I am concerned about issues relating to “casual vacancies” and co-options and
publication of details of membership.
My local community council website is frankly turgid ; there is no list of members ;
minutes get posted erratically and unlike other community councils the details for
attendance by Zoom have to be specifically requested rather than are posted.
Would it be possible for A&BC to “host” details for meetings, membership & minutes? 
There are currently no proposals for community
councils being active online due to issues with
connectivity throughout the council area. 
However community councils are required to post
information about meetings locally on public
noticeboards to keep communities informed.  The
council could put together a list of noticeboards
used and display this this on the community
council webpage to signpost.  Likewise, a list of
members could also be included (noting the
obligation on each community council to inform
the council of any changes).  Minutes are more
problematic as the council generally receives
these in draft format for the purposes of ensuring
that the minimum number of meetings to access
grants take place.  The obligation is on each
community council to retain their own signed
minutes in perpetuity and make these available
locally.  It is recommended that no change is
made to the Scheme but that staff explore
options to signpost communities to
membership lists and also to where to find
relevant information locally, including
agendas and minutes.
6. change to remote and optionally hybrid meetings is supported for reasons of  inclusiveness and
accessibility 
Noted.  The provisions for remote and hybrid
have been included in the new amended scheme
and therefore no amendment is necessary.
7. Despite informal advice from ABC that the views of different groups should be
weighted (with local residents and businesses being the most important) it seems that
approach is not used here. In some cases it has led to consultations that are less than
transparent. Some believe it is done deliberately to skew the results in favour of
business and against the view of the local resident population.  No view is offered on
this, it is simply an view which we have been made aware of. 
Community councils are autonomous from the
council, with the council providing the governance
framework and support from a governance based
perspective but they function independently and
as such each community council is responsible
for its own processes and decision making.  We
do give advice about representing majority views

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The current clause 3.2 (page 3) of the Scheme of Establishment covers this 
“It is essential that these views are demonstrated to be representative of the
community.  Accordingly, the community council will have in place, in
consultation with the local authority, recognised consultative mechanisms to
validate their views and devise strategies to secure greater involvement by all
sections of the community.”
Clearly this is designed to encourage gathering the widest possible range of views which
is good, but it says nothing explicit about how to design consultations and interpret
responses in cases where there may be competing views and there is a risk of local
democracy being skewed. The Best Practice Agreement document is a bit vague on this.
The National Standards document on which it is based is no better.
We suggest that clause 3.2 of the Scheme (maybe other clauses too*) could be clarified
– something like:
“It is essential that these views are demonstrated to be representative of the
community.  Accordingly, the community council will have in place, in
consultation with the local authority, recognised consultative mechanisms to
validate their views and devise strategies to secure greater involvement by all
sections of the community. As broad a range of views as possible is the
objective, but the community council’s primary accountability is to those who
elect them so it should always approach informal soundings and more formal
consultations with that in mind.”
We suggest a new clause is added to the Best Practice Agreement under the section for
Community Council Commitment / Community Engagement, after clause 2 (page 6).
Something like
When consulting with the community, as broad a range of views as possible is
the objective. However, the community council’s primary accountability is to
those who elect them, so to ensure transparency and balance any soundings,
surveys and consultations should be approached with that in mind and the
findings classified and weighted appropriately.” 
and how surveys can be weighted but this is
down to the decision maker to determine.  There
are no changes necessary to the Scheme to
enable this.  While it was anticipated that the new
Model Scheme may well define “community” this
document has still not been received and
therefore the council could choose to amend
section 3.2 of the Scheme per the suggestion. 
The suggested wording preserves the fact that
“community” appears to be consistently applied
throughout Scotland as being geographic
communities (although as the author points out,
there is currently no definition and therefore this is
left open to interpretation).  There is a concern
that the wording proposed suggests only those
over 16 can be represented as only those 16 and
over will appear on the electoral register.  This
would contract the obligation on community
councils specifically regarding youth involvement
but the wording suggested could be tweaked to
read “primary accountability is to those who elect
them (or those under 16 who are resident within
the catchment area of a primary and/or secondary
school within the community council boundary) so
it should always approach informal soundings and
more formal consultations with that in mind.”  This
would be the recommended wording for the
second phase of consultation.