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Minutes of meeting 05.09.23

Renfrewshire Council · 14 November 2023
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Minute of Meeting
Renfrewshire Council Joint Negotiating Committee for
Teaching Staff 
Date Time Venue
Tuesday, 05 September
2023
14:00 Corporate Meeting Room 2, Renfrewshire
House, 
PRESENT
Representing Renfrewshire Council Management 
Councillor E Rodden; T McGillivray, Head of Service (Inclusion and Quality Improvement)
(Joint Secretary), J Calder, Head of Service (Curriculum and School Estate), M Thomas,
Education Manager (Development), A Hall, Education Manager (Development) K Henry,
Head Teacher, St Andrews Academy and J Houston, Head Teacher, Mossvale Primary
School (all Education & Children’s Services); and M Boyd, Head of People & Organisational
Development, L Mullin and S Fanning, both Principal HR & OD Advisers (all Finance &
Resources). 
Representing Renfrewshire Council Teaching Staff 
K Fella (Joint Secretary), M Russell, JP Tonner, D Tollan and B Kelly (all EIS); R Kane
(SSTA); L Gibson (NASUWT) and D Baxter (Adviser to Teachers’ Side). 
ALSO IN ATTENDANCE
D Cunningham, Committee Services & Licensing Officer (Finance & Resources). 
APOLOGIES
Councillor J Paterson, J Colquhoun, Education Manager (Development), T Miller and Y
Murray (both EIS). 
DECLARATIONS OF INTEREST AND TRANSPARENCY STATEMENTS
There were no declarations of interest or transparency statements intimated prior to the
commencement of the meeting.

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1  CHAIRPERSON
In accordance with the terms of the local recognition and procedure agreement, which
stated that the Chair of the Committee should alternate between the two sides
comprising the Renfrewshire Council Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff, it
was agreed that Councillor Emma Rodden would chair this meeting of the Renfrewshire
Council Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff. 
DECIDED: That Councillor Emma Rodden chair this meeting of the Renfrewshire
Council Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff. 
2 CHANGE OF MEMBERSHIP
There was submitted a report by the Joint Secretary (Management Side) relative to a
change to the membership of the Renfrewshire Council Joint Negotiating Committee
for Teaching Staff (JNC). 
The report proposed that the Head of People and Organisational Development post be
added to the membership of the Management Side with the Principal HR & OD Adviser
removed from the membership.  This was agreed unanimously. 
There was a verbal update submitted by the Joint Secretary (Teachers’ Side) relative
to further changes to the membership of the JNC. Craig Carson was no longer an
employee of Renfrewshire Council and would not return as Joint Chairperson. 
David Baxter replaced Stephen McCrossan as adviser to the Teachers’ Side and Barry
Kelly and Paula Quinn would join as additional members (EIS). These changes were
agreed unanimously. 
DECIDED: 
(a) That the Head of People & Organisational Development be added to the
membership of the Management Side with the Principal HR & OD Adviser being
removed from the membership; 
(b) That it be noted that Craig Carson was no longer a Renfrewshire Council employee
and would not return as Joint Chairperson; 
(c) That it be noted that David Baxter replaced Stephen Crossan as Adviser to the
Teachers’ Side; and 
(d) That Barry Kelly and Paula Quinn (both EIS) would become additional members of
the JNC.  
VALEDICTORY
Councillor Rodden and the Joint Secretaries thanked the Principal HR & OD Adviser
on behalf of the Committee for her valuable contribution to the work of the Renfrewshire
Council Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff and welcomed the new
Members.

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3  MINUTE OF PREVIOUS MEETING
There was submitted the Minute of the previous meeting held on 6 June 2023. 
Under reference to Item 8(b) of the Minute – Dates for Future Meetings 2023/2024: the
Teachers’ Side requested that this decision be amended to include reference to the
May 2024 meeting date. The Clerk confirmed that this change would be actioned. 
DECIDED:  That the Minute be approved subject to the amendment. 
4 MATTERS ARISING
Under reference to Item 2 of the Minute – School Security: an update was requested
by the Teachers’ Side. The Head of Service (Inclusion and Quality Improvement)
advised they were working with the various relevant Services across the Council in
connection with school security. The Principal HR & OD Adviser confirmed that areas
such as access to school buildings and CCTV were being reviewed and that staff would
be consulted as their local knowledge input would be crucial in ensuring a well-rounded
approach. 
Under reference to Item 4 of the Minute – Matters Arising: it was queried by the
Teachers’ Side if the information relative to open evenings not being considered as
parents meetings which was to be cascaded following the previous meeting on 6 June
2023 had been distributed to Local Area Secretaries in addition to Head Teachers. The
Education Manager (Development) confirmed this information would be emailed to
Local Area Secretaries. 
Under reference to Item 5 of the Minute – Education Recovery: an update was
requested by the Teachers’ Side. The Head of Service (Curriculum and School Estate)
confirmed that meetings were in place to take the National Qualification discussions
forward with Scottish Government, SQA and Education Scotland. 
DECIDED:   
(a) That it be noted that work was ongoing in relation to school security and that staff
would be consulted to enable their local knowledge of their school and pupils to be
considered; 
(b) That it be noted that information relative to open evenings not being considered as
parents meetings would be cascaded to Local Area Secretaries; and 
(b) That it be noted that meetings were in place to take the National Qualifications
discussions forward with the Scottish Government, SQA and Education Scotland. 
5 DEVELOPMENTS IN HEALTH AND SAFETY INCIDENT REPORTING
There was submitted a report by the Joint Secretary (Management Side) relative to
developments in the ERP Businessworld Health and Safety Incident Reporting process
which had taken place since the last meeting of the Renfrewshire Council Joint
Negotiating Committee for Teachers (JNC). 
The Head of Service (Curriculum and School Estate) and the Principal HR & OD
Adviser provided verbal updates in relation to the improvement work undertaken.

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Enhancements included bringing back a coordinator role into the workflow; an
extension to the escalation deadline which would provide a longer duration to
investigate incidents; and the development of additional functions which would enable
the identification of trends and management reporting. 
There followed a general discussion relative to various aspects of the incident reporting
process, the functionality limitations of the system and what training and information
would be made available to staff regarding the completion of incident reporting forms.
The Teachers Side asked that consideration be given to how best to compensate staff
for the additional time taken to complete these forms. 
DECIDED: That the report be noted. 
6 SURROGACY POLICY
There was submitted a report by the Joint Secretary (Management Side) relative to the
approval and dissemination of the Surrogacy Policy. 
The Principal HR & OD Adviser confirmed that the Policy would be available to all staff
and that Representatives should contact her directly with any queries. 
DECIDED: 
(a) That the Surrogacy Policy and attachments appended to the report be approved;
and 
(b) That the Surrogacy Policy and attachments be distributed to all Head Teachers for
dissemination to their staff. 
7 CARER'S LEAVE
There was submitted a report by the Joint Secretary (Teachers’ Side) relative to the
provision of Carer’s Leave to Renfrewshire Teachers. The Teachers’ Side requested
that the Carer’s Leave provision, which currently excluded Teachers, be brought within
the framework of Renfrewshire Council’s Special Leave Policy for Teachers to ensure
equity and to further Teacher wellbeing. 
The Principal HR & OD Adviser confirmed that Renfrewshire Council was the only
Authority to provide paid Carer’s Leave. She advised that the Carer’s Leave Policy was
being reviewed and when reissued it would include Teachers.  It was confirmed that
this Policy would be made available to all Teachers and school faculty staff with
immediate effect and that any member of the teaching faculty should contact her directly
with any queries relative to carers leave or their caring responsibilities. 
DECIDED: That it be noted that the Carer’s Leave Policy would be extended to include
Teachers and school staff with immediate effect. 
8 INDEPENDENT REVIEW OF QUALIFICATIONS AND ASSESSMENT
There was submitted a report by the Joint Secretary (Teachers’ Side) relative to the
Independent Review of the qualifications system in Scotland. The Teachers’ Side
requested confirmation that time would be made available for Renfrewshire Teachers
to respond to the Cabinet Secretary for Education’s recommendations to ensure any

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changes to qualifications and assessment were informed by their experience and
expertise. 
The Head of Service (Curriculum and School Estate) confirmed that the Interim Head
of Service (Children’s Services) was undertaking joint Head Teacher meetings to
establish how best to take the qualification and assessment discussions forward to
ensure teachers’ and pupils’ voices were heard. Members of the Renfrewshire Council
Joint Negotiating Committee for Teachers would be informed of developments in this
process. 
DECIDED: 
(a) That meetings were ongoing between Children’s Services (Education) and Head
Teachers to discuss the Scottish qualifications system; and 
(b) That the Renfrewshire Council Joint Negotiating Committee for Teachers Members
be informed of developments in this process. 
9 JNC 15 GRIEVANCE PROCEDURES
There was submitted a report by the Joint Secretary (Teachers’ Side) relative to the
Teachers’ Side’s loss of confidence in the grievance process. The Teachers’ Side
sought an urgent meeting with the Management Side to discuss the application of JNC
15 grievance protocols. 
The Head of Service (Inclusion and Quality Improvement) (Joint Secretary) advised that
a meeting had been arranged with the Joint Secretary (Teachers’ Side) to discuss this
matter and that an update would be provided at the next meeting of the Renfrewshire
Council Joint Negotiating Committee for Teachers. 
DECIDED: 
(a) That it be noted that a meeting had been arranged between the Joint Secretaries to
discuss this matter; and 
(b) That it be noted that an update would be provided at the next meeting of the
Renfrewshire Council Joint Negotiating Committee for Teachers. 
10  DATE OF NEXT MEETING
Members were asked to note that the next meeting of the Renfrewshire Council Joint
Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff was scheduled to be held at 2.00pm on 14
November 2023.