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Renfrewshire Council · 6 June 2023
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Minute of Meeting
Renfrewshire Council Joint Negotiating Committee for
Teaching Staff 
Date Time Venue
Tuesday, 06 June 2023 14:00 Corporate Meeting Room 2, Renfrewshire
House, 
PRESENT
Representing Renfrewshire Council Management 
Councillor E Rodden; Councillor J Paterson; T McGillivray, Head of Service (Inclusion and
Quality Improvement), J Calder, Head of Service (Curriculum and School Estate), J
Colquhoun, Education Manager (Development), M Thomas, Education Manager
(Development) and A Hall, Education Manager (Development) (all Children’s Services); and
L Mullin and S Fanning, both Principal HR and OD Advisers (both Finance & Resources). 
Representing Renfrewshire Council Teaching Staff 
K Fella (Joint Secretary), JP Tonner, Y Murray, M Russell and D Tollan (all EIS); R Kane
(SSTA); and L Gibson (NASUWT). 
ALSO IN ATTENDANCE
D Viola, Lead Facilities Manager (Support Services), Joyce Robertson (Strategic Facilities
Manager (Soft FM) and Scot Fraser, Facilities Manager (All Environment Housing &
Infrastructure – item 2 only); and D Cunningham and J Barron, both Assistant Committee
Services Officers (Finance & Resources). 
APOLOGIES
K Henry, Head Teacher, St Andrews Academy; H Paterson, Head Teacher, Heriot Primary
School; T Millar (EIS); and S McCrossan (EIS Adviser to Teachers’ side). 
DECLARATIONS OF INTEREST
There were no declarations of interest intimated prior to the commencement of the meeting.

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1  APPOINTMENT OF CHAIR PERSON
In accordance with the terms of the local recognition and procedure agreement, which
stated that the Chair of the Committee should alternate between the two sides
comprising the Renfrewshire Council Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff, it
was agreed that Mr J P Tonner would chair this meeting of the Renfrewshire Council
Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff. 
DECIDED: That Mr J P Tonner chair this meeting of the Renfrewshire Council Joint
Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff. 
ORDER OF BUSINESS
The Chair intimated that he proposed to alter the order of business to facilitate the
conduct of the meeting by considering Item 7 prior to Item 2 and Item 8 prior to Item 4
of the agenda. 
2 SCHOOL SECURITY
There was submitted a report by the Joint Secretary (Teachers’ Side) relative to access
and security within Schools and the stipulations within JNC 5 that access to schools be
controlled. It was requested that a review of access to schools be conducted and that
improved measures be implemented where necessary. There followed a discussion on
various aspects of access, security and CCTV at school premises and it was highlighted
that local arrangements and issues varied for each establishment due to factors such
as building size/design, staffing and roll numbers. 
The Principal HR & OD Adviser advised that a review was underway following a recent
school incident and that feedback/recommendations would be provided once
completed to the appropriate Heads of Service and that this would be taken forward
across the remainder of the school estate where applicable. 
The Head of Service (Curriculum and School Estate) advised that addressing school
security required to be an ongoing collective effort by all relevant Council services and
school establishments and that any specific issues/concerns be raised via Head
Teachers in the first instance. 
DECIDED: 
(a)  That it be noted that a review of school access and security was being undertaken; 
(b)  That it be agreed that feedback and recommendations from this review would be
taken forward across the school estate as applicable; and 
(c)  That it be agreed that issues/concerns be raised with Head Teachers.

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3  MINUTE OF PREVIOUS MEETING
There was submitted the Minute of the previous meeting held on 25 April 2023. 
Under reference to Item 4 – Wellbeing at Work and Item 5 – Menopause and Special
Leave Policy it was agreed that decision 5(b) be added as an additional decision to Item
4, numbered as decision 4(d), as this decision was applicable to both items, “That it be
agreed that Management and Head Teachers look at dedicating time for the completion
of i-Learn courses and general wellbeing support”. 
DECIDED:  That the Minute be approved subject to the amendments. 
4 MATTERS ARISING
Under reference to Item 4 of the Minute – Working Time Agreements: The Allocation of
Hours and Teachers’ Contracts of the previous meeting held on 25 March 2023, the
Teachers’ Side stated that they had not received the information that open evenings
did not constitute parents meetings and that the time allocated should not be deducted
from the time set aside for parents meetings cascaded to them and requested that this
be sent. The Education Manager (Development) advised that Head Teachers would be
reminded of this agreement. 
DECIDED:  That it be agreed that information be cascaded to Head Teachers that open
evenings were not considered parents meetings thus the time allocated to them should
not be deducted from the time set aside for parents meetings. 
5 EDUCATION RECOVERY
There was submitted a report by the Joint Secretary (Teachers’s Side) relative to the
recent SQA announcement of a return to full National Qualifications assessment
requirements in 2023/24. 
A survey of teachers delivering National Qualifications had been conducted by the
Scottish Secondary Teachers Association (SSTA) and it was found that 68% did not
agree that pupils were ready for a full return to pre-covid assessment requirements.   
The Head of Service (Curriculum and School Estate) advised that the Management
Side would reinforce the view of the Teachers’ Side as requested at a national level but
that the Council would still require to follow the decisions applied by the Scottish
Government, SQA and Education Scotland. 
DECIDED: That it be agreed that the Management Side would reinforce the view of the
Teachers’ Side at any national level discussions with the Scottish Government, SQA
and Education Scotland. 
6 ANNUAL REPORT SESSION 2022/23
There was submitted a report by the Joint Secretaries relative to the Annual Report for
Session 2022/2023. 
The report outlined the meetings of the Renfrewshire Council Joint Negotiating
Committee for Teachers held since the previous Annual General Meeting on 7 June

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2022. The report detailed the ongoing work of the Committee, it’s membership and
summarised the reports discussed during this period. 
DECIDED:  That the report be noted. 
7 MEMBERSHIP OF THE JOINT NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE FOR
TEACHERS 23/24
There was submitted a report by the Joint Secretaries relative to the Membership of the
Joint Negotiating Committee for Teachers for the session 2023/24. 
The report outlined the composition of members, proposed joint chairpersons and joint
secretaries. 
The Joint Secretaries provided an update and advised that Hilary Paterson and
Stephen McCrossan had ceased to be members. It was noted that Craig Carson
remained on secondment and an update on his position plus replacement members
would be confirmed at a future meeting of the Committee. John Paul Tonner would
continue as joint chair until further notice. 
It was agreed that reserve members Barry Kelly, Trinity High School and Paula Quinn,
Renfrew High School be added to the membership of the Renfrewshire Joint
Negotiating Committee for Teachers. 
DECIDED: 
(a)  That the membership of the Joint Negotiating Committee for Teachers be noted for
session 2023/24; 
(b)  That the proposed joint chairpersons Councillor Emma Rodden and Mr John Paul
Tonner plus joint secretaries Tracy McGillivray and Kenny Fella be agreed; 
(c)  That it be noted that Hilary Paterson and Stephen McCrossan had ceased to be
members and their replacements would be advised at a future meeting of the
Committee; and 
(d)  That it be agreed that reserve members Barry Kelly, Trinity High School and Paula
Quinn, Renfrew High School be added to the membership of the Renfrewshire Joint
Negotiating Committee for Teachers. 
VALEDICTORY
The Committee gave thanks to H Paterson and S McCrossan for their valuable
contributions. 
8 DATES FOR FUTURE MEETINGS 2023/24
There was submitted a report by the Joint Secretaries relative to the dates for future
meetings of the Renfrewshire Joint Negotiating Committee for Teachers for Session
2023/24. The report outlined the meeting dates agreed by the Council to year end 2024. 
It was noted that an additional meeting date had been included in error and that the

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Joint Secretaries would determine which of the 23 April 2024 and 14 May 2024 dates
best suited the requirements of the Committee. It was discussed that the meeting on
23 April 2024 could not proceed due to a lack of substantive business following the
return from Easter break; any business would be carried forward to be discussed at the
next scheduled meeting on 14 May 2024. 
DECIDED: 
(a)  That the schedule of meetings for session 2023/24 be noted; and 
(b)  That it be noted that the meeting on 23 April 2024 could not proceed due to a lack
of substantive business following the return from Easter break; any business would be
carried forward to be discussed at the next scheduled meeting on 14 May 2024. 
9 DATE OF NEXT MEETING
DECIDED: That it be noted that the next meeting of the Renfrewshire Council Joint
Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff was scheduled to be held on 5 September
2023.