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Renfrewshire Council · 21 March 2023
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Minute of Meeting
Renfrewshire Council Joint Negotiating Committee for
Teaching Staff 
Date Time Venue
Tuesday, 21 March 2023 14:00 Corporate Meeting Room 2, Renfrewshire
House, 
PRESENT
Representing Renfrewshire Council Management 
Councillor J Paterson; and T McGillivray, Head of Service (Inclusion and Quality Improvement) (Joint
Secretary), J Calder, Head of Service (Curriculum and School Estate), J Colquhoun, Education
Manager (Development) and A Hall, Education Manager (Development) (Children’s Services). 
Representing Renfrewshire Council Teaching Staff 
K Fella (Joint Secretary), JP Tonner, T Millar, Y Murray, M Russell, D Tollan (all EIS); R
Kane (SSTA); and L Gibson (NASUWT). 
IN ATTENDANCE
S Fanning, Principal HR and OD Adviser and D Cunningham and J Barron, Assistant
Committee Services Officers (all Finance & Resources). 
APOLOGIES
Councillor E Rodden; H Paterson, Head Teacher, Heriot Primary School; K Henry, Head
Teacher, St Andrews Academy; M Thomas, Education Manager (Development); S
McCrossan (EIS – Adviser to the Teachers’ side); and L Mullin, Principal HR and OD
Adviser. 
DECLARATIONS OF INTEREST
There were no declarations of interest intimated prior to the commencement of the meeting.

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1  APPOINTMENT OF CHAIRPERSON
In accordance with the terms of the local recognition and procedure agreement, which
stated that the Chair of the Committee should alternate between the two sides
comprising the Renfrewshire Council Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff, it
was agreed that Mr JP Tonner would chair this meeting of the Renfrewshire Council
Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff. 
DECIDED: That Mr JP Tonner chair this meeting of the Renfrewshire Council Joint
Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff. 
2 MINUTE OF PREVIOUS MEETING
There was submitted the Minute of the previous meeting held on 7 February 2023. 
The Joint Secretary (Teachers’ side) asked that his concerns relative to the wording of 
item 7 in the Minute be noted. 
DECIDED: 
(a) That the Minute be approved; and 
(b) That the concerns of the Joint Secretary (Teachers’ side) relative to the wording
of item 7 in the Minute be noted. 
3 MATTERS ARISING
Under reference to Item 6 of the Minute of the meeting of the Joint Negotiating
Committee held on 7 February 2023, the Joint Secretary (Teachers’ side) expressed
concern that the Violence and Aggression reporting functionality on Business World
was not yet fully operational. The Principal HR & OD Adviser advised the Service was
committed to resolving the Business World issues, that he had escalated this matter to
his Head of Service and that he would provide details of any developments to the JNC. 
The Joint Secretary (Teachers’ side) stated that not all teaching staff had received
direction or training to use Business World. The Principal HR & OD Adviser responded
that an ILearn module was being developed and that he would check the mailing list
which had been used for the communication email which had been issued to Teachers
in December 2022. 
DECIDED: That the Business World Violence and Aggression reporting functionality
continue to be developed and that the Principal HR & OD Adviser provide an update
on any developments to the JNC. 
4 WORKING TIME AGREEMENTS: THE ALLOCATION OF HOURS  AND
TEACHERS’ CONTRACTS
There was submitted a report by the Joint Secretary (Teachers' Side) relative to
Working Time Agreements (WTA) in respect of JNC3, contracted obligations to attend

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parents' meetings. The report intimated that the number of parents’ meetings in some
schools exceeded teachers’ contractual maxima and that additional evenings had been
incorporated into some school’s WTAs. 
The Education Manager (Development) advised that requests that all WTAs be shared
with the Joint Secretaries had been declined previously on the basis that most were
signed off by school-based union representatives. Where this was not the case, school
staff could defer to and involve their local secretary. She stated that the WTA annual
sampling process, which had been halted during Covid-19, could be reinstated. 
It was agreed that reminders be issued to all Head Teachers regarding the requirement
to comply with the Renfrewshire Council JNC WTA template and that the need for
collegiality be emphasized. 
The Education Manager (Development) advised that the Management side would liaise
with HR to review/amend the relevant section(s) of Particulars of Employment to reflect
the change from 30 to 40 hours for Reporting Evenings, which had remained an
anomaly since school session 2006/2007. 
The Joint Negotiating Committee agreed that open evenings did not constitute parents
meetings and that the time allocated should not be deducted from the time set aside for
parents meetings. It was also agreed that a review of the current breakdown of hours
would be undertaken to ensure more accurate reflection of current practices whilst
continuing to protect and support staff wellbeing and management of workload. 
DECIDED: 
(a) That it be noted that all school WTAs would not be made available to joint
secretaries and that school teaching staff would involve their local secretary to address
any WTA issues; 
(b) That reminders be issued to all Head Teachers regarding the requirement to
comply with the Renfrewshire Council JNC WTA template and that the need for
collegiality be emphasized; 
(c) That it be noted that the Management side would liaise with HR to review/amend
the relevant section(s) of the Particulars of Employment to reflect the change from 30
to 40 hours for Reporting Evenings; 
(d) That it be noted that open evenings did not constitute parents meetings and that
the time allocated should not be deducted from the time set aside for parents meetings;
and 
(e) That a review of the current breakdown of hours would be undertaken to ensure
more accurate reflection of current practices whilst continuing to protect and support
staff wellbeing and management of workload. 
5 ABSENCE COVER AGREEMENTS AND SUPPLY STAFF
There was submitted a report by the Joint Secretary (Teachers' Side) relative to
absence cover agreements and supply staff, particularly the lack of subject specialist
supply staff to cover absences of colleagues in secondary schools, which resulted in
additional workloads being experienced.

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The report expressed concern at the lengthy recruitment process when filling
vacancies. The Education Manager (Development) explained that there were various
recruitment and risk mitigatory processes required and that delays were minimised
wherever possible. 
The Joint Secretary (Teachers’ side) requested further discussion on the introduction
of a booking system, rather than the current text messaging arrangement, as a means
of more efficiently allocating supply staff to schools. The Education Manager
(Development) advised that neighbouring Local Authorities had been contacted to
establish which systems they utilised and that the Council would be testing a new
system in the near future. An update on this would be provided to a future meeting of
the JNC. 
The Education Manager (Development) detailed the numbers of temporary and
permanent supply staff and confirmed the Council wanted to maximise recruitment and
accommodate as many early career teachers as possible. It was requested that specific
supply staff issues be raised as they arose rather that this matter becoming a standing
item at meetings. 
DECIDED: 
(a) That the Local Authority update the JNC on the outcome of the booking system
tested; and 
(b) That specific issues relative to supply teachers be raised 
6 TEACHER ACCESS TO LOCAL AUTHORITY LAPTOPS
There was submitted a report by the Joint Secretary (Teachers’ Side) relative to
Teacher access to Local Authority laptops. The report advised that outdated IT
equipment was being recalled and replaced. The Joint Secretary (Teachers’ side)
welcomed this update and modernisation of resources but expressed concern that
there could be a shortfall in the number of devices available. 
The Head of Service (Curriculum and School Estate) confirmed the Council was
committed to providing a laptop for every teacher. 
DECIDED: That it be noted that a device would be provided to each permanent member
of staff. 
7 TEACHER REMITS
There was submitted a report by the Joint Secretary (Teachers’ Side) relative to
Teacher remits. The report suggested that some teachers’ remits had been amended
without consultation and that some duties, which were previously within the remit of
senior staff, were being cascaded to Principal Teachers, particularly those relating to
absence management.

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The report requested that no Principal Teacher be tasked with managing absence, that
this task remained the remit of senior management and that there would be no changes
to a teacher’s duties without appropriate consultation and agreement. 
DECIDED: 
(a) That it be noted that managing absence remained the remit of senior
management; 
(b) That it be noted that there would be no changes to teachers’ duties without
appropriate consultation and agreement; and 
(c) That it be agreed that any proposed revision of remits arising from organisational
change be brought back to the JNC for agreement. 
8 DATE OF NEXT MEETING
That it be noted that the next meeting of the Renfrewshire Council Joint Negotiating
Committee for Teaching Staff was scheduled to be held on 25 April 2023.