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Renfrewshire Council · 21 March 2023
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15/03/2023 
Notice of Meeting and Agenda
Renfrewshire Council Joint Negotiating Committee for
Teaching Staff 
Date Time Venue
Tuesday, 21 March 2023 14:00 Corporate Meeting Room 2, Renfrewshire
House, 
Membership
Representing Renfrewshire Council Management 
Councillor E Rodden; Councillor J Paterson; T McGillivray, Head of Service (Inclusion and
Quality Improvement)(Joint Secretary); J Calder, Head of Service (Curriculum and School
Estate); J Colquhoun, Education Manager (Development); K Henry, Head Teacher, St Andrews
Academy; H Paterson, Head Teacher, Heriot Primary School; A Hall, Education Manager
(Development); M Thomas, Education Manager (Development); and L Mullin, Principal HR and
OD Adviser (Finance & Resources). 
Representing Renfrewshire Council Teaching Staff 
K Fella (Joint Secretary), JP Tonner, T Millar, Y Murray, M Russell, D Tollan (all EIS); R Kane
(SSTA); L Gibson (NASUWT); and S McCrossan (EIS - Adviser to the Teachers’ side). 
Further Information
A copy of the agenda for this meeting will be available online at
http://renfrewshire.cmis.uk.com/renfrewshire/CouncilandBoards.aspx 
For further information, please email
democratic-services@renfrewshire.gov.uk  
MARK CONAGHAN
Head of Corporate Governance
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15/03/2023
Items of business     
1 Apologies
Apologies from members. 
2 Declarations of Interest
Members are asked to declare an interest in any item(s) on the agenda
and to provide a brief explanation of the nature of the interest. 
3 Appointment of Chair Person
Consider the appointment of a Chair Person for this meeting. 
4 Minute of Previous Meeting
Minute of previous meeting, held on 7 February 2023. 
3 - 7 
5 Matters Arising
Matters arising from the Minute of the previous meeting held on 7
February 2023. 
6 Working Time Agreements: the allocation of hours  and
Teachers’ Contracts
Report by Joint Secretary (Teachers' Side). 
8 - 11 
7 Absence Cover Agreements and Supply Staff
Report by Joint Secretary (Teachers' Side). 
12 - 13 
8 Teacher Access to Local Authority Laptops
Report by Joint Secretary (Teachers' Side). 
14 - 14 
9 Teacher Remits
Report by Joint Secretary (Teachers' Side). 
15 - 16 
10  Date of Next Meeting
Members are asked to note that the next meeting of the Renfrewshire
Council Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff will be held at
2.00pm on 25 April 2023. 
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Minute of Meeting
Renfrewshire Council Joint Negotiating Committee for
Teaching Staff 
Date Time Venue
Tuesday, 07 February 2023 14:00 Corporate Meeting Room 2, Renfrewshire
House, 
PRESENT
REPRESENTING RENFREWSHIRE COUNCIL MANAGEMENT 
Councillor E Rodden, Councillor J Paterson, J Calder, Head of Service (Curriculum and
School Estate), J Colquhoun, Education Manager (Development), A Hall, Education
Manager (Development), K Henry, Head Teacher, St Andrews Academy (All Education and
Children’s Services) and L Mullin, Principal HR and OD Adviser (Finance & Resources). 
REPRESENTING RENFREWSHIRE COUNCIL TEACHING STAFF 
K Fella (Joint Secretary), Y Murray, M Russell, D Tollan and J P Tonner (all EIS); L Gibson
(NASUWT), R Kane (SSTA) and S McCrossan (Adviser to Teachers’ Side).   
IN ATTENDANCE
S Fanning, Principal HR and OD Adviser, D Cunningham and J Barron, Assistant
Committee Services Officers (all Finance & Resources). 
APOLOGIES
T McGillivray, Head of Service (Inclusion and Quality Improvement) (Joint Secretary), H
Paterson, Head Teacher, Heriot Primary School, Mairi Thomas, Education Manager
(Development) and T Miller (EIS). 
DECLARATIONS OF INTEREST
There were no declarations of interest intimated prior to the commencement of the meeting.  
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1  APPOINTMENT OF CHAIR PERSON
In accordance with the terms of the local recognition and procedure agreement, which
stated that the Chair of the Committee should alternate between the two sides
comprising the Renfrewshire Council Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff, it
was agreed that Councillor Rodden would chair this meeting of the Renfrewshire
Council Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff. 
DECIDED: That Councillor Rodden chair this meeting of the Renfrewshire Council Joint
Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff. 
WELCOME
Councillor Rodden welcomed Raymond Kane, SSTA Representative, to his first
meeting of the Committee. 
2 MINUTE OF PREVIOUS MEETING
There was submitted the Minute of the previous meeting held on 8 November 2022. 
DECIDED: That the Minute be approved. 
3 MATTERS ARISING
DECIDED: It was noted that in reference to Item 8 of the Minute of the previous meeting
held on 8 November 2022 that an email in relation to special leave taken to participate
in religious observance had been received by staff and it was felt this had received a
positive response. Thanks were expressed to Management for implementing this. 
4 SUPPORTING OUR EARLY YEARS TEACHERS
There was submitted a report by the Head of Children’s Services relative to supporting
early career teachers. The Council has worked in partnership with GTCS, Columba
1400 and probation managers across Scotland to develop a model to extend the
support provided to teachers during the probationary year across the early phase.  This
Ambassador Model was intended to address gaps in the experiences of some early
years teachers which arose from the pandemic by providing Ambassadors to be a point
of contact for early years teachers and opportunities for professional dialogue.
Renfrewshire was leading developments within the group of eleven local authorities
piloting and co-developing the Ambassador Model. 
There was a general discussion on the practicalities of such support, numbers required
and the selection process for Ambassadors plus discussion on Non-Violent Resistance
(NVR) and how this was being implemented in schools.   
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The Head of Service (Curriculum and School Estate) advised information on this may
be available on CPD Manager and would provide additional information to the
Committee. 
DECIDED: 
(a) That the Head of Service (Curriculum and School Estate) would provide
additional information on NVR to the Committee; and 
(b) That the report be noted. 
5 ABSENCE STATISTICS - QUARTER 3 2022/23
There was submitted a report by the Director of Finance & Resources which provided
the Committee with absence monitoring information for the period to 31 December
2022.   
Categories of absence, available methods of financial support plus health and wellbeing
support, including Time for Talking sessions were discussed. The Principal HR and OD
Adviser would review the methods of conveying employee benefits to all school
employees and increase the health and wellbeing information made available. 
The Head of Service (Curriculum and School Estate) would continue to work with the
Teachers side in respect of ongoing CO2 monitoring in schools. 
DECIDED: 
(a) That the Principal HR and OD Adviser would review the methods of conveying
employee benefits and increase the health and wellbeing information made available
to all school employees; 
(b) That the Head of Service (Curriculum and School Estate) would continue to work
with the Teachers side in respect of ongoing CO2 monitoring in schools. 
(c) That the report be noted. 
6 DEVELOPMENTS IN HEALTH AND SAFETY
There was submitted a report by the Director of Finance & Resources relative to
developments in health and safety since the previous meeting of the Joint Negotiating
Committee for Teachers (JNC). 
The report outlined that risk-based reviews of all policies and guidance documents were
underway to support the Council’s new ways of working plans. Initial areas of work
included guidance documents on accident reporting and investigation, manual
handling, alcohol and substance use and violence and aggression in the workplace. 
The report detailed meetings with Scottish Fire and Rescue, health and wellbeing
guidance to support the workforce, reviewing floor plates and ventilation to facilitate
new ways of working arrangements, regular meetings with Services, flu vaccination
programme and information on training courses delivered.
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Thanks were expressed by the Teachers’ side for the flu vaccination programme and it
was felt this had been well received/attended. 
Collaboration took place between the Health and Safety Team, Businessworld Team,
Trade Unions and Service representatives to review the violence and aggression policy
and arrangements within the school environment. Meetings had been productive and it
was agreed work would continue over the next few months. The report stated that a
new version of the accident/incident form was launched on 5 January which should
ease incident reporting and collection of data. 
It was raised by the Teachers’ side that there remained access issues with this new
form. The Principal HR and OD Adviser explained that this was being reviewed and that
he would discuss the hierarchy access issue on Businessworld with colleagues outwith
the meeting and provide an update to the Committee thereafter. 
DECIDED: 
(a) That the Principal HR and OD Adviser would provide an update on outstanding
Businessworld issues to the Committee; and 
(b) That the report be noted. 
7 GRIEVANCE PROCEDURES
DECIDED: That this confidential matter was not within the remit of the JNC and would
be discussed outwith the meeting. 
8 SICKNESS ALLOWANCE
There was submitted a report by the Joint Secretary (Teachers’ Side) relative to the
suspension of the sickness allowance for teachers during the ongoing legally mandated
industrial action. As there was no reference to industrial action as a reason for
suspension of the allowance in the SNCT Handbook the Teachers’ Side believed there
to be no contractual basis for the suspension of sickness allowance. The report
requested reinstatement of the sickness allowance for teachers affected by this. 
The Principal HR and OD Adviser explained that there had been discussion with the
Chief Executive on 14 December 2022 and clarified that based on legal advice received
the decision had been taken not to suspend sickness allowance but to suspend the
entitlement to self-certify sickness on a day of industrial action and that employees
would require to provide a fit note in those cases. 
The Teachers’ side raised that this suggested distrust, would be detrimental to
employee wellbeing and may result in staff incurring additional charges by GPs to
provide a fit note in instances contrary to Scottish Government self-certification
guidelines, namely if absent less than 7 days. It was also suggested that this would put
additional strain on already under pressure Teachers and GPs and therefore seemed
unreasonable. 
The Principal HR and OD Adviser re-iterated that this was the Council’s position on this
matter. The Head of Service (Curriculum and School Estate) stated that the grievance
process required to be followed to look at any individual cases/concerns.
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DECIDED: 
(a) That self-certification of sickness absence on a day of industrial action had been
removed and a fit note was required; and 
(b) That the grievance process required to be followed to look at any individual
cases/concerns. 
9 PAYROLL/INDUSTRIAL ACTION
There was submitted a report by the Joint Secretary (Teacher’s Side) relative to salary
deductions applied following industrial action and the lack of consistency in terms of the
dates and amounts of these deductions. The report requested greater clarity and
transparency from the Council around the dates for and amounts of salary deductions
to assist with ongoing financial planning for teachers. 
The Teachers’ side stated that staff were struggling with financial wellbeing hence were
striking but felt unsupported and were being penalised by salary deductions and
charges for fit notes. 
The Principal HR and OD Adviser outlined the process and deadlines for deductions
and that data was cross-checked prior to being sent to payroll to ensure
accuracy.  There had been FAQs issued to employees which contained the dates of
deductions and information from the Director of Finance & Resources emailed to
teachers. 
The Teachers’ side stated only one email had been received and that it was difficult to
check deductions as it appeared that colleagues were deducted different amounts. The
Principal HR and OD Adviser explained it was not advised to compare payslips due to
personal variations. 
The Teachers’ side requested a ready reckoner type document to assist staff with
financial planning, the Principal HR and OD Adviser responded that she could provide
the 5 points on the mean grade salary for Teachers to assist but was limited to what
figures could be provided, other than as examples, due to the uniqueness of individual
pay. She advised that staff could contact her directly to discuss errors or concerns and
they could be escalated to the Payroll Manager if required. 
DECIDED: That the Principal HR and OD Adviser would provide the five points on the
mean grade salary for Teachers to assist with financial planning in terms of deductions. 
10  DATE OF NEXT MEETING
That it be noted that the next meeting of the Renfrewshire Council Joint Negotiating
Committee for Teaching Staff was scheduled to.be held on 21 March 2023. 
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Renfrewshire Joint Negotiating Committee for Teachers 
To: Renfrewshire Joint Negotiating Committee for Teachers 
On: 21st March 2023  
Working Time Agreements: the allocation of hours 
and Teachers’ Contracts
Report by
Joint Secretary (Teachers’ Side) 
Background 
Teachers are currently contractually obliged to attend up to 6 parents’ meetings
for a maximum of 30 hours.     
It has come to the attention of the Teachers’ side that the number of parents’
meetings in some schools is exceeding teachers’ contractual maxima and that
additional evenings have been incorporated into some school’s Working Time
Agreements (WTA).   
JNC 3 also states the agreed position in respect of WTAs – it is the extant JNC
agreement and, although it is clear that the agreement may need to be reviewed
and updated, it outlines the allocation of time relative to teacher workload in each
of the sectors in the appendixes to that agreement. 
Members of JNC should be made aware that JNC 3 was updated in 2006/7 and a
JNC sub-group made recommendations on updates to the time allocations for
respective duties- that information was disseminated to schools at the time and is
now integrated into schools’ WTAs. For those members of JNC who were not
party to discussions in 2006/7 it was at this point, at phase 3 of the implementation
of McCrone Agreement, that class contact time was reduced to 22.5 hrs and there
was a consequential increase in collegiate time to be allocated to other activities.
Consequently, the number of hours allocated to parents’ meetings increased from
30 to 40 hours although the number of meetings remained the same. The effect
was to increase the duration of parents’ meetings. 
Notwithstanding that JNC 3 may need to be reviewed in light of current practice,
it is the parameters within which school WTAs should be formulated. 
It should also be noted that JNC 3 stipulates that in the secondary sector: 
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Any time block(s) left over from the parents’ meetings allocation, will be
available to the teacher for additional preparation and correction or formal
assessment and the preparation of reports 
It is also already established that an ‘Open evening’ which is a feature of some
schools’ agreements is not a parents’ meeting for the purpose of the time
allocation, and that attendance at such events is voluntary, unless agreement has
been reached with the school’s negotiating committee and it is incorporated into
the WTA as an additional event. The time allocation for this should not be taken
from the 40 hours allocation. 
Moreover, it has also become apparent that the teachers’ Particulars of
Employment does not reflect the agreement that increased hours in specific
sectors.  This is a matter that needs  investigation, clarification and further
discussion. 
Action 
• That all school WTAs will be made available to both joint secretaries to enable
oversight in line with the requirement for scrutiny and to avoid any potential
breaches. 
• That all parties involved in school negotiating committees are reminded that
the contractual maxima in relation to parents’ meetings may not be exceeded. 
• That further clarity will be provided to the teachers’ side around the teachers’
particulars of employment, especially in relation to contractual obligations  
around parents’ meetings and that contracts will be updated where necessary. 
Enc – picture  of 2006/7 sub group report and recommendation. 
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Item 7 
Renfrewshire Joint Negotiating Committee for Teachers 
To: Renfrewshire Joint Negotiating Committee for Teachers 
On: 21st March 2023  
Absence Cover Agreements and Supply Staff
Report by
Joint Secretary (Teachers’ Side) 
Background 
It has been reported to representatives of all the teaching unions that additional
burdens and workload are being experienced in many schools as a result of a
lack of subject specialist supply staff to cover absences of colleagues in
secondary schools. The problems are acute in some schools where vacancies
and/or long-term absences prevail. 
The lack of availability of supply teachers, as well as adequate cover for
absent classroom assistants, is being particularly felt in secondary schools in
the run-up to SQA examinations where some teachers are being timetabled
for additional classes to support young people. This is increasing their
workload. 
Senior managers as well as subject principals and faculty heads are also
experiencing additional workloads in managing revisions to timetables
needed to mitigate staffing problems. 
Furthermore, in situations where staff leave the employ of the Local
Authority, the time that it takes from recruitment to appointment of
replacements, is a concern. It can lead to some young people having, at times,
a disjointed experience when staff leave and a lack of continuity in their
learning where they may experience a variety of teachers, some of whom are
general cover while lengthy recruitment processes take place. 
Every school should also have a written agreement on absence cover but it is
difficult for schools to abide by their agreements if the Local Authority has
not recruited enough supply staff to fill vacant posts. 
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It is reported by other Local Authorities that ‘Teacher Booker’ is the system
used to place staff into vacancies and that this is largely successful.
Renfrewshire Council does not use this system instead preferring a text
messaging arrangement to fill vacancies. The Teachers’ side would welcome
further discussion on the introduction of this booking system as a means of
more efficiently allocating supply staff to schools. 
Action 
• That the Joint Secretaries add the matter of supply staff as a standing
item to their agenda at their regular meetings
• That the management side provides an update to the Teachers’ side on
the position in respect of supply availability and the permanent supply
pool. 
• The Local Authority engages in discussion around the feasibility of
introducing ‘Teacher Booker’ as a means of allocating supply teachers
more efficiently to vacancies. 
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Renfrewshire Joint Negotiating Committee for Teachers 
To: Renfrewshire Joint Negotiating Committee for Teachers 
On: 21st March 2023  
Teacher Access to Local Authority Laptops
Report by
Joint Secretary (Teachers’ Side) 
Background 
The Teachers’ Side is advised that the Local Authority is currently recalling old
PCs and laptops from some schools with a view to replacing outdated equipment
which will no longer be serviced or maintained by the Council’s IT services. 
Whilst the Teachers’ Side welcomes any update to IT equipment and
modernisation of resources, we are alert to the fact that there may be a shortfall
in the number of devices required to provide one for every member of the teaching
staff in every school.   
It is clearly imperative that all teachers, be they part-time or otherwise, are
allocated a Local Authority device to facilitate the job that they are required to
do.   
Action 
That the Local Authority commits to providing every teacher, not just every
classroom, with an appropriate device to enable teachers to undertake their duties.   
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Item 9 
Renfrewshire Joint Negotiating Committee for Teachers 
To: Renfrewshire Joint Negotiating Committee for Teachers 
On: 21st March 2023  
Teacher Remits 
Report by
Joint Secretary (Teachers’ Side) 
Background 
The teaching unions have been contacted by some teachers who are
suggesting that their remits have been amended without consultation.  This is
as a result of organisational change but notwithstanding any geographical or
other reorganisation, the specific remits and responsibilities of teachers should
be unaffected. 
The JNC is reminded of JNC 2 which stipulates those matters devolved to
LNCTs, viz:  
Section  1.3 
At local authority level, the Renfrewshire Joint Negotiating Committee for
Teaching Staff has been established with responsibility for negotiating and
agreeing: 
Other allowances; 
Cover agreements; 
Appointments procedures; 
Working time arrangements 
Arrangements for school based negotiation/agreement 
Particulars of employment; 
Expenses for candidates for appointment; 
Transfer of temporary teachers to permanent staff; 
Promotion procedures; 
Staff development arrangements; 
Specific duties and job remits;
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Arrangements for school-based consultation; 
Other leave and absence arrangements; 
Notice periods; 
Housing; 
Indemnification procedures; and 
Disciplinary and grievance procedures. 
The Teachers’ side is concerned that some duties that were previously within
the remit of senior promoted staff are being cascaded to Principal Teachers,
especially in relation to absence management.  There has been no agreement
with the Teachers’ side to this effect. 
The members of the JNC are also reminded of the need for consultation with
the affected individual and for collegiality in respect of any changes to
remits or other working practices. 
Action
• That no principal teacher should be tasked with managing absence and
that this remains the remit of senior management.
• No changes to a teacher’s duties will be made without appropriate
consultation and agreement. 
• Any proposed revision of remits arising from organisational change is
brought to the JNC via the Joint Secretary for agreement. 
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