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Minutes 08.11.22

Renfrewshire Council · 7 February 2023
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Minute of Meeting
Renfrewshire Council Joint Negotiating Committee for
Teaching Staff 
Date Time Venue
Tuesday, 08 November
2022
14:00 Remotely via MS Teams, 
MEMBERSHIP
REPRESENTING RENFREWSHIRE COUNCIL MANAGEMENT 
Councillor E Rodden; Councillor J Paterson, T McGillivray, Head of Service (Inclusion and
Quality Improvement) (Joint Secretary), J Calder, Head of Service (Curriculum and School
Estate), J Colquhoun, Education Manager (Development), A Hall, Education Manager
(Development), M Thomas, Education Manager (Development), K Henry, Head Teacher,
St Andrews Academy (All Education and Children’s Services) and L Mullin, Principal HR
and OD Adviser (Finance & Resources). 
REPRESENTING RENFREWSHIRE COUNCIL TEACHING STAFF 
K Fella (Joint Secretary), C Carson, T Millar, Y Murray, M Russell, D Tollan, JP Tonner (all
EIS); L Gibson (NASUWT); and S McCrossan (Adviser to the Teachers’ side).   
IN ATTENDANCE
M Boyd, Head of People & Organisational Development, S Fanning, Principal HR and OD
Adviser; D Pole, End User Technician; D Cunningham and J Barron, Assistant Committee
Services Officers (all Finance & Resources). 
APOLOGIES
Councillor J Paterson and J Calder, Head of Service (Curriculum and School Estate). 
DECLARATIONS OF INTEREST
There were no declarations of interest intimated prior to the commencement of the meeting.

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1  APPOINTMENT OF CHAIR PERSON
In accordance with the terms of the local recognition and procedure agreement, which
stated that the Chair of the Committee should alternate between the two sides
comprising the Renfrewshire Council Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff.
The Joint Secretary (Teacher’s Side) proposed that Mr J P Tonner replace Mr C Carson
as Joint Chair until further notice. This was agreed unanimously. It was agreed that Mr
J P Tonner would chair this meeting of the Renfrewshire Council Joint Negotiating
Committee for Teaching Staff.  
DECIDED:
(a) That Mr J P Tonner replace Mr C Carson as Joint Chair until further notice; and  
(b) That Mr J P Tonner chair this meeting of the Renfrewshire Council Joint Negotiating
Committee for Teaching Staff. 
VALEDICTORY
The Chair thanked Mr Carson for his contribution to the Committee and wished him well
in his new venture. 
2 MINUTE OF PREVIOUS MEETING
There was submitted the Minute of the previous meeting held on 30 August 2022. 
DECIDED: That the Minute be approved. 
3 MATTERS ARISING
In respect of Item 8 of the Minute of the previous meeting held on 30 August 2022, the
reporting/logging of incidents of violence and aggression on paper forms due to
problems with the use and functionality of Business World was raised as an ongoing
issue. The Head of Service (Inclusion and Quality Improvement) advised this was now
within her remit and that this would continue to be addressed, Members of the
Committee would be kept informed of developments.  
DECIDED: That it be noted that the issues with using Business World to log incidents
of violence and aggression would continue to be addressed and that Members of the
Committee would be kept informed of developments.   
4 EDUCATION STANDARDS & QUALITY REPORT SEPTEMBER 2022
EDUCATION IMPROVEMENT PLAN 2022/23
There was submitted a report by the Head of Education relative to the Education
Standards & Quality Report September 2022 and Education Improvement Plan
2022/23 which were approved at the meeting of the Education and Children’s Services
Policy Board held on 27 October 2022.

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There were discussions relative to various sections of the reports which included
statistics, achievements, the replacement qualifications system, working time
agreements in respect of accreditations, the attainment gap and the omission of
physical health within the wellbeing section.  
DECIDED: That the reports be noted. 
5 NOTICE OF DISPUTE: JNC 20
There was submitted a report by the Joint Secretary (Teacher’s Side) relative to the
JNC20 Agreement. The Joint Secretary (Teachers’ Side) advised that this report had
been withdrawn. 
DECIDED: That the report be withdrawn. 
6 FIXED TERM TEMPORARY CONTRACTS
There was submitted a report by the Joint Secretary (Teachers’ Side) relative to the
Code of Practice on the use of Fixed Term Temporary Contracts. The agreed practice
was that fixed term temporary contracts were issued for engagements in excess of two
days and the report suggested that this practice was not consistently applied. 
The Principal HR & OD Adviser explained that the administration of contracts was
undertaken by the Office Services Team rather than HR directly but that she would
raise this with them to ensure compliance. The Education Manager (Development)
advised that she would be discussing the administration of contractual matters with the
Joint Secretary (Teachers’ Side).  
DECIDED: That the report be noted. 
7 GAELIC MEDIUM EDUCATION
There was submitted a report by the Joint Secretary (Teachers’ Side) relative to
Renfrewshire Council’s Gaelic Language Plan. 
The report intimated that a number of teachers had expressed an interest in learning
and teaching Gaelic but that support for this had not been forthcoming from the
Council. 
The Head of Service (Inclusion and Quality Improvement) advised that funding for this
medium was through an external party and that a condition of the grant funding was
that teachers taught Gaelic for one year after completion of training. The Head of
Service (Curriculum and School Estate) would look into any other available training for
those interested teachers. This medium had been introduced into West Primary School,
with six children enrolled and a further two predicted to enrol but that it would take
several years to fully develop this medium. 
DECIDED: That the report be noted.

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8  RELIGIOUS OBSERVANCE AND SPECIAL LEAVE
There was submitted a report by the Joint Secretary (Teacher’s Side) relative to special
leave taken to participate in religious observance. 
The report intimated that Renfrewshire Council’s Special Leave policy stated that
“…three separate days of leave of absence with pay, per year to participate in certain
principal religious festivals which fall outwith the fixed annual leave periods”. The Joint
Secretary (Teachers’ Side) requested the amendment of this policy to remove the term
“separate” to allow teachers to take consecutive days if required, in particular to
celebrate Eid-Al-Fitr by 2023. 
The Principal HR & OD Adviser advised that any updates to Policy required to be
approved at the relevant Policy Board and would then be brought back formally to the
Joint Negotiating Committee for Teachers for noting. It was suggested that a memo be
sent to schools to outline this amendment and the Principal HR & OD Adviser advised
that she would discuss this matter with the Joint Secretaries. 
DECIDED: 
(a)  That the report be noted; and 
(b)  That the matter be discussed further between the Principal HR & OD Adviser and
the Joint Secretaries.   
9 FUTURE MEETING ARRANGEMENTS
The Committee considered a request from the Joint Secretary (Teachers’ Side) that
future meetings of the Joint Negotiating Committee for Teachers return to being
conducted as in-person meetings. While the consensus was that in-person meetings
were preferred, the Assistant Committee Services Officer and the Principal HR & OD
Advisor explained that this would be dependent on the availability of suitable
accommodation and subject to the requirements for ventilation which limited numbers
attending meetings. The Assistant Committee Services Officer suggested that she
would investigate the availability of suitable accommodation and discuss further with
the Joint Secretaries in advance of the next meeting. 
DECIDED: That it be agreed that the Assistant Committee Services Officer would
investigate the availability of suitable accommodation and discuss further with the Joint
Secretaries to establish if a return to in-person meetings was possible in advance of
the next meeting. 
10  DATE OF NEXT MEETING
DECIDED: That it be noted that the next meeting of the Renfrewshire Council Joint
Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff was scheduled for 7 February 2022. 
11  ABSENCE STATISTICS – QUARTER 2 2022/23
There was submitted a report by the Director of Finance and Resources relative to
absence monitoring information for Quarter 2, ending 30 September 2022. 
DECIDED: That the report be noted.