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Minute 03.09.24

Renfrewshire Council · 12 November 2024
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Minute of Meeting
Renfrewshire Council Joint Negotiating Committee for
Teaching Staff 
Date Time Venue
Tuesday, 03 September
2024
14:00 Corporate Meeting Room 2, Renfrewshire
House, 
Present: Attendees 
Present
Representing Renfrewshire Council Management 
Councillor Paterson; E Henry, Head of Education; G Lyons, Interim Head of Education, A
Hall, Education Manager (Development), K Henry and J Houston, Head Teachers, (all
Education & Children’s Services); and K Clark, Strategic Lead Partner (People), (Finance
and Resources). 
Representing Renfrewshire Council Teaching Staff 
K Fella, (Joint Secretary), M Russell, Y Murray, J P Tonner, D Tollan, C Niven, B Kelly (all
EIS); R Kane (SSTA); and L Gibson (NASUWT).   
In Attendance
J Barron, Committee Services Officer (Finance & Resources). 
Apologies
Councillor Rodden, S Fanning, Strategic Partner Lead (Finance & Resources). 
Declarations of Interest and Transparency Statements
There were no declarations of interest or transparency statements intimated prior to the
commencement of the meeting.

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1  Chairperson
In accordance with the terms of the local recognition and procedure agreement, which
stated that the Chair of the Committee should alternate between the two sides
comprising the Renfrewshire Council Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff,
it was agreed that Councillor Paterson would chair this meeting of the Renfrewshire
Council Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff. 
DECIDED: That Councillor Paterson chair this meeting of the Renfrewshire Council
Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff. 
2 Minute of Previous Meeting
There was submitted the Minute of the meeting of this Committee held on 11 June
2024. 
Under reference to Item 8 - School Holidays, the Minute of the previous meeting held
on 11 June 2024, the Teachers’ Side requested that the minute be changed to record
that the “consultation regarding the change of date had been agreed, not that there
had been agreement on the change of date” and this be recorded in the minute. The
Clerk confirmed that this would be amended. 
DECIDED:  That the Minute be approved subject to the above amendment.   
3 Matters Arising
Under reference to Item 3 of the Minute of the previous meeting held on 11 June
2024, Matters Arising, in relation to the Violence and Aggression Policy, the Head of
Education advised that an operational update would be sent to Head Teachers for use
on in-service days when completed,  and communicated to staff advising of the
training dates, format and time allocated.  This information would also be sent directly
to the Trade Unions at the same time. 
Under reference to Item 3 of the Minute of the previous meeting held on 11 June
2024, Matters Arising, in relation to Additional Support Needs provision/funding the
Interim Head of Education advised that he would provide further information on this
matter to future meetings of the JNC. 
Under reference to Item 3 of the Minute of the previous meeting held on 11 June
2024, Matters Arising, in relation to the Council’s policy on mobile phone use in
schools the Interim Head of Education advised that final guidelines would be
submitted to the next meeting of the JNC scheduled to be held on 12 November 2024. 
Under reference to Item 4 of the Minute of the previous meeting held on 11 June
2024, Action Log, the Head of Education and Joint Secretary (Teacher’s Side) agreed

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that they would discuss and update the Action Log going forward at their pre-meeting,
and forward information timeously to the Clerk in order to have the most current
information on the Log on the agenda for each meeting. 
Under reference to Item 11 of the Minute of the previous meeting held on 11 June
2024, Seesaw and Implications of Digital Platforms, the Interim Head of Education
advised that conversations have begun with ICT, these were at an early stage and
further meetings would be arranged to discuss digital platforms, and further updates
would be submitted to meetings of the JNC. 
DECIDED: 
(a) That the operational update on the Violence and Aggression Policy be issued
to Head Teachers for use on in-service days when completed,  and communicated to
staff advising of the training dates, format and time allocated.  This information would
also be sent directly to the Trade Unions at the same time. 
(b) That further information be provided in relation to the ASN provision/funding; 
(c)  That the policy on mobile phones be submitted to the next meeting of the JNC
scheduled to be held on 12 November 2024; 
(d) That the Action Log be updated by the Head of Education and Joint Secretary
(Teacher’s side) at their pre-meeting and passed timeously to the Clerk for inclusion
on the agenda; and 
(e) That updates of progress with regard to Seesaw and implication of digital
platforms be submitted to future meetings of the JNC. 
4 Action Log
The action log for the JNC was submitted.  It was advised that some items had not
been updated on the Log, and it was agreed that for future meetings of the JNC the
Head of Education and the Joint Secretary (Teacher’s side) would update the Log at
their pre-meeting, and forward the updated Log to the Clerk, for inclusion on the
agenda. 
DECIDED: 
(a)  That updates be forwarded to the Clerk after the pre-meeting between Head of
Education and the Joint Secretary (Teacher’s side) for the updated Log to be included
on the agenda; and 
(b)  That the action log be noted. 
5 Appointment of Staff
There was submitted a report by The Head of Education relative to Staff Circular 16 –

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Appointment of Staff. 
It was advised that several Standard Circulars had not been reviewed for some time
and to ensure an open and transparent approach the Head of Education would advise
members of the JNC of this work. Standard Circular 16 provided general information
and guidance regarding the appointment of teachers to permanent posts. 
DECIDED: 
(a)  That it be agreed that the Joint Secretary (Teacher’s Side) would consult with the
Head of Education regarding the review of the Standard Circular 16 in relation to
appointment of staff; and 
(b)  That the report be noted. 
6 Absence Management / Supporting Attendance (Teachers) Policy
There was submitted a report by the Head of Education relative to the updated
Absence Management/Supporting Attendance (Teachers) Policy which had not been
reviewed for some time. To ensure an open and transparent approach the Director of
Education would advise members of the JNC of this change to the policy. 
The Absence Management/Supporting Attendance Policy had not been updated since
2001. In 2024 this policy was updated for local government employees. This had
resulted in establishments working with two different sets of procedures in relation to
absence management. Members of the JNC were asked to support this policy being
updated to ensure clear and consistent absence management and supporting
absence processes and procedures for Local Government and teaching employees. 
DECIDED:   
(a)  That it be agreed that the Joint Secretary (Teacher’s Side) would consult with the
Head of Education regarding the updating of the policy on Absence
Management/Supporting Attendance; and 
(b)  That the report be noted. 
7 JNC 14/15 Discipline and Grievance Procedures
There was submitted a report by the Head of Education relative to the updated JNC
14/15  Policy which had not been reviewed for some time. To ensure an open and
transparent approach the Director of Education would advise members of the JNC of
this change to the policy. 
The Policy had not been updated since 2006 and Members of the JNC were asked to
support this policy being updated to ensure clear and consistent discipline and
grievance procedures.

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DECIDED:   
(a)  That it be agreed that the Joint Secretary (Teacher’s Side) would consult with the
Head of Education regarding the updating of the policy on discipline and grievance
procedures; and 
(b)  That the report be noted. 
8 Job-Sizing Review
There was submitted a report by the Joint Secretaries relative to job sizing. The report
requested that Headteachers be reminded of the terms of Appendix 2.3: Job-Sizing
Review with specific reference to the two points in the year at which a review could be
triggered. 
DECIDED:   
(a) That Headteachers be reminded of the two points in the year when a review
could be triggered; and 
(b) That the report be noted.   
9 Printing Procedures and Printing Facilities
There was submitted a report by the Joint Secretary (Teachers’ Side) relative to the
new print strategy in schools which had been introduced without consultation with the
teaching unions. 
The report advised that the Teachers’ side sought reconsideration in the reductions
on individual and departmental printing quotas, a recognition that the new print
strategy might place unnecessary burdens in respect of planning and limit flexibility of
teachers to react to learners’ needs. The Teachers’ side was sought assurances that
the administrative aspects of gaining access to copiers would be dealt with by
administrative staff and that this would not fall to individual teachers to contact ICT
helpline as time taken to do so reduced time available for preparation and correction. 
It was noted that the location of printers was also an issue at some schools. 
The Interim Head of Education advised that the amount of printing in schools last year
was very large and due to the environmental impact and costs, this amount of printing
was required to be cut over a three-year period. 
DECIDED:   
(a)  That it be agreed that issues with the location of printers should be discussed with
Headteachers; 
(b)  That it be agreed that large scale issues with printers could be reported to the
Education Support Managers in the first instance, for them to contact ICT; and

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(c)  That the report be noted. 
10  Changes to Digital Infrastructure
There was submitted a report by Joint Secretary (Teachers’ Side) regarding changes
to schools’ digital infrastructure. 
The report advised that there were concerns regarding the time it took for matters,
which had been logged with the ICT helpdesk, to be resolved, in many cases the
need was urgent and immediate. ICT problems were an unnecessary source of stress
and were having a significant impact on staff wellbeing and workload adding to the
routine challenges that were already present for teachers. 
The Teaching Unions requested that the Council: investigate the many difficulties staff
were reporting when trying to access online and digital resources;  commit to having
access issues resolved quickly; conduct an audit of teaching time and/or teachers’
non-contact time lost to resolving digital problems; ensure that ICT support was
readily available and that the helpdesk treated calls as a matter of urgency ensuring
problems were dealt with as quickly as possible; and that the affected staff need to be
contacted directly to update when their issues were resolved to assist them in
effective planning.  The Teacher’s Union also requested that  problems which could
not be resolved with a single call that an administrative liaison link was assigned in
each establishment who could resolve matters for staff rather than have teachers
engaged in time consuming access issues because there was an expectation that the
infrastructure should be in place to facilitate teachers in their work rather than have
individuals responsible for reporting and discussing such problems.  The Teachers
Union indicated that the time-consuming tasks detracted from teachers’ non-contact
preparation and correction time. 
DECIDED:   
(a)  That the Interim Head of Education investigate the process for logging calls with
the ICT Helpdesk; and 
(b)  That the report be noted; and 
11  Duel Presentation and Unit Catch-up
There was submitted a report by Joint Secretary (Teachers’ Side) regarding the
emerging practice of ‘dual entering’ S4 learners for National 4 and National 5
qualifications in the same subject. 
This was resulting in double workload for teachers as well as stress for learners and
was being carried out despite the Cabinet Secretary for Education having expressed
the view that it would only be appropriate in a ‘very limited number of exceptional
circumstances’ which should involve dialogue with young people and their
parents/carers.

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DECIDED:   
(a)  That Teachers, in discussion with learners and parents, should decide, as early
as possible, the correct level of study for the pupil; 
(b)  That pupils should only be presented for one level of study per qualification eg
National 4 or National 5, except in exceptional circumstances; 
(c)  That finalising of unit assessments and reassessments in the month of May
should accommodate learners who had already completed some units or parts of
units at a particular level and required only limited time to complete the outstanding
assessments to achieve a qualification; and 
(d)  That the report be noted. 
12  Date of Next Meeting
It was noted that the date of the next meeting of the Renfrewshire Joint Negotiating
Committee was scheduled to be held at 2.00pm on 12 November 2024.