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Renfrewshire Council · 4 November 2024
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Minute of Meeting
Audit, Risk and Scrutiny Board 
Date Time Venue
Monday, 04 November 2024 15:00 Council Chambers (Renfrewshire), Council
Headquarters, Renfrewshire House, Cotton
Street, Paisley, PA1 1AN 
Present: Councillor Jennifer Adam, Councillor Andy Doig, Councillor Chris Gilmour,
Councillor John Gray, Councillor Lisa-Marie Hughes, Councillor Robert Innes, Councillor
James MacLaren, Councillor Janis McDonald, Councillor Ben Smith 
Chair
Councillor Andy Doig, Convener, presided. 
In Attendance
A MacArthur, Director of Finance & Resources; G Hutton, Head of Operations & Service
Development, (Environment, Housing & Infrastructure); C McCourt, Head of Finance &
Procurement, R Cree, Head of People & Organisational Development, M Conaghan, Head
of Corporate Governance, K Campbell, Interim Chief Auditor, J McKee, Digital Strategy
Delivery Manager, K Locke, Risk Manager, Emma Shields, Strategic Service Delivery
Manager, C MacDonald, Senior Committee Services Officer and K O’Neill, Democratic
Services Officer (all Finance & Resources). 
Also in Attendance
A Kolodziej, Senior Manager, Azets. 
Webcasting of Meeting
Prior to the commencement of the meeting the Convener intimated that this meeting  of the
Board would be filmed for live or subsequent broadcast via the Council's internet site.

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Declaration of Interest
Councillor Smith declared an interest in agenda item 3 - Summary of Internal Audit
Activity in Partner Organisations 1 July to 30 September 2024 by reason that Glasgow
City Region City deal were funding research where he was employed and indicted
that he would leave the meeting during consideration of the item.  
Transparency Statements
There were no transparency statements intimated prior to the commencement of the
meeting. 
1 Summary of Internal Audit Reports for the period 1 July to 30
September 2024
There was submitted a report by the Chief Auditor relative to the requirement in terms
of the Public Sector Internal Audit Standards (PSIAS) that Internal Audit
communicated the results of each engagement to the Board. 
The appendix to the report detailed the category of assurance, service, assurance
rating and gave recommended risk ratings for each engagement as either critical,
important, good practice or service improvement. A summary of findings was also
provided in relation to final reports issued for those engagements completed during
the period 1 July to 30 September 2024. 
The report intimated that in addition to the reports listed in the appendix, Internal Audit
had an ongoing commitment to arrange corporate and service initiatives, progress
information security matters in partnership with ICT and Legal Services, provide
regular advice to officers, provide Internal Audit services to the associated bodies for
which Renfrewshire Council was the lead authority and to Renfrewshire Leisure and
Renfrewshire Health & Social Care Integration Joint Board, co-ordination of the
Council’s Corporate Risk Management activity and management of the counter fraud,
risk management and insurance team. 
DECIDED: That the summary of Internal Audit findings report for the period 1 July to
30 September 2024 be noted. 
2 Internal Audit & Counter Fraud Progress & Performance for period 1
July to 30 September 2024
There was submitted a report by the Chief Auditor relative to Internal Audit and
Counter Fraud performance between 1 July and 30 September 2024 in terms of the
delivery of the Audit Plan for the year and outlining actual performance against targets
set by the Director of Finance & Resources.

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No formal performance targets for fraud investigation had been established as a
major part of the team’s work involved being the single point of contact for the
Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) Single Fraud Investigation Service and the
Service Level Agreement for the work contained time targets for completing this work. 
It was noted that the types of fraud referrals received to date were wide-ranging and
the team’s objective was to concentrate on investigating those referrals considered to
contain the greatest fraud risk. 
The report also detailed the progress made against local and national initiatives
involving Internal Audit and the Counter Fraud Team in the period.  The report
advised that the Internal Audit Team and the Counter Fraud Team were currently
working on a hybrid basis and were undertaking home/site visits when the need
arose. 
DECIDED: That the Internal Audit and Counter Fraud Team progress and
performance from 1 July to 30 September 2024 be noted.  
Sederunt
Having previously declared an interest Councillor Smith left the meeting prior to
consideration of the following item of business. 
3 Summary of Internal Audit Activity in Partner Organisations for
period 1 July to 30 September 2024
There was submitted a report by the Chief Auditor relative to the Internal Audit activity
in partner organisations. 
The report advised that Members of the Board had expressed an interest in the
outcomes of audits undertaken within partner organisation and a revision to the Audit
Risk & Scrutiny Board’s Terms of Reference, to facilitate this, had been agreed at the
meeting of the Council held on 4 May 2024. 
The report provided members with a summary of the internal audit arrangements
within each partner body and a summary of the internal audit activity between 1 July
and 30 September 2024. 
DECIDED:   That the audit arrangements for each partner organisation be noted.  
Sederunt
Councillor Smith re-joined the meeting.

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4  Audit Scotland Report – The National Fraud Initiative in Scotland
2024
There was submitted a report by the Interim Chief Auditor relative to Audit Scotland’s
report on the National Fraud Initiative (NFI) 2022/23, published in August 2024 and
attached as Appendix 1 to the report. 
The report highlighted that Scottish public bodies had recorded outcomes of £21.5
million arising from the 2022/23 exercise. The 2022/23 figure had increased by
approximately £6.6 million since the last exercise and the increase had been across
most data match areas. The NFI outcome figures included amounts for fraud and
error detection as well as an estimate for future losses that had been prevented.  The
report advised that it was not clear whether underlying levels of fraud had increased
as there had been improvements in the recording of the results by participating bodies
and there had also been a change in the methodologies which had contributed to
higher outcomes in some areas. 
It was noted that Renfrewshire Council’s approach and outcomes for the 2022/23
exercise was attached at Appendix 2 and the self-assessment of the arrangements in
preparation for the 2024/25 exercise was attached as Appendix 3. 
DECIDED: 
(a)  That the report from Audit Scotland be noted; and 
(b)  That Renfrewshire Council’s current arrangements, outcomes and self-
assessment to support the 2024/2025 NFI exercise be noted. 
5 Risk Report November 2024
There was submitted a report by the Director of Finance & Resources relative to an
update on the strategic, corporate and key service risks for November 2024. 
The report advised on the latest position in managing the agreed risks for midway
through the financial year. The appendices to the report provided details of longer-
term strategic and corporate risks, details of longer-term significant service risks, and
a list of ‘business as usual’ risks. 
DECIDED: That the report and the agreed risks be approved. 
6 Audit Scotland Report on ‘Tackling Digital Exclusion’
There was submitted a report by the Director of Finance & Resources relative to Audit
Scotland’s report on Tackling Digital Exclusion. 
The report provided an overview of the recently published audit on Tackling Digital
Exclusion, which was summarised for Board members and highlighted of the
challenges and recommendations outlined by Audit Scotland regarding digital
exclusion in Scotland.

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It was noted that as digital technology continued to transform public services,
addressing digital exclusion was essential to ensuring that everyone could participate
fully in society, access essential services, and benefit from the opportunities that
digital connectivity offered. 
The report advised that the audit, which had been carried out by Audit Scotland,
adopted a human rights-based approach, allowing people with experience of digital
exclusion and use of digital services to participate in and inform the audit. 
It was noted that a mapping exercise was currently being undertaken to understand
which areas within Renfrewshire did not have gigabyte capable broadband and how a
solution to this problem could be found.  It was agreed that a report would be
submitted to a future meeting of this Board outlining the solutions. 
DECIDED: 
(a)  That the contents of the report be noted; 
(b)  That the considerable collective action already in place across Renfrewshire to
support and enable digital inclusion, whilst ensuring no one was left behind be noted; 
(c)  That plans to further strengthen digital inclusion activity across Renfrewshire as
referenced within the report be noted; and 
(d)  That a report be submitted to a future meeting of this Board outlining the solutions
identified for the digital mapping exercise which was currently being undertaken. 
7 Actions Monitoring Report - Dargavel Primary School
There was submitted a report by the Chief Executive which provided an update on the
open actions relative to Dargavel Primary School. 
The report advised that following the findings of an independent review into the
circumstances of the errors in planning and delivery of primary school provision in the
Dargavel area, a SMART action plan had been developed which detailed the
Council’s response with a commitment that updates on this plan would be provided to
future meetings of the Audit, Risk & Scrutiny Board. 
Findings by the Accounts Commission in relation to the S.102 investigation were
reported to the Council on 26 September 2024 and included the Council’s response to
the Accounts Commission, with further work being predominantly addressed through
continued engagement and monitoring by the local external audit team through their
Annual Audit work and upcoming Best Value audit. 
The appendix to the report provided an update in relation to the Bowles independent
review report, the Accounts Commission S.102 report, and the actions related to the
report of the Cross Party Working Group.  It was noted that there were no open
actions remaining, and the appendix detailed the completed actions.  As there were
no remaining open actions, with all actions either complete or now incorporated into
other reporting arrangements, it was proposed that there would be no further specific
monitoring reports provided to the Board. The Board would receive updates as
appropriate through existing monitoring arrangements.

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Councillor Andy Doig, seconded by Cllr McDonald moved that recommendation 2.2,
as detailed within the report, be replaced with the following:- 
“The Board notes that this report will be the final specific monitoring report the Board
will receive, with updates being provided to relevant Policy Boards or though risk
monitoring arrangements. While the Board appreciates that the primary forum for the
progression of matters relating to the education provision in the Dargavel and
Bishopton area now lies with the Education and Children’s Services Board, mindful of
our Council-wide remit of scrutiny, this Board believes it to be both appropriate and
competent that we receive periodic reports concerning school roll projections and
learning estate planning over the whole Council area and the associated financial
impacts of those matters.” 
This was agreed unanimously. 
DECIDED: 
(a)  That the completed actions outlined in the appendix be noted; 
(b) That it be noted that this report would be the final specific monitoring report the
Board would receive, with updates being provided to relevant Policy Boards or though
risk monitoring arrangements; and 
(c)  While the Board appreciated that the primary forum for the progression of matters
relating to the education provision in the Dargavel and Bishopton area now lay with
the Education and Children’s Services Board, mindful of its Council-wide remit of
scrutiny, this Board believed it to be both appropriate and competent that it receive
periodic reports concerning school roll projections and learning estate planning over
the whole Council area and the associated financial impacts of those matters.