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Minute of Meeting of the Scrutiny and Performance Committee of 7 June for Approval

Perth and Kinross Council · 13 September 2023
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SCRUTINY AND PERFORMANCE COMMITTEE 
Minute of hybrid meeting of the Scrutiny and Performance Committee held in the
Council Chambers, 2 High Street, Perth, on Wednesday 7 June 2023 at 10.00am. 
Present: Councillor C Stewart, Bailie A Bailey, Councillors K Allan, B Brawn
(substituting for Councillor A Forbes), S Carr, E Drysdale, A Forbes, I Massie,
W Robertson, F Smith, and J Welch. 
In Attendance: K Donaldson (Chief Operating Officer), B Renton (Executive Director,
Communities); S Devlin (Executive Director, Education and Children’s Services);
C Mailer (Executive Lead - Strategic Planning and Transformation) C Guild, G Pinfield,
E Ritchie and F Robertson (Communities), S Cooper, G Doogan, S Johnston and
B Scott (Education and Children’s Services), M Dickson and K Ogilvy (Health and
Social Care Partnership); and L Simpson, S Crawford, P Johnstone, L Harris, K Molley,
A Brown and R Ramsay (all Corporate and Democratic Services). 
Apology: Councillor A Forbes 
Councillor C Stewart, Convener, Presiding. 
The Convener led discussion on Items 1- 7 and P1 and the Vice-Convener led
discussion on items 8-10. 
1. WELCOME AND APOLOGIES 
The Convener welcomed all those present to the meeting and an apology was
noted above. 
2. DECLARATIONS OF INTEREST 
No declarations of interest were made in terms of the Councillors’ Code of
Conduct. 
3. MINUTE OF MEETING OF THE SCRUTINY AND PERFORMANCE
COMMITTEE OF 26 APRIL 2023 
The minute of meeting of the Scrutiny and Performance Committee of 26 April
2023 was submitted and approved as a correct record. 
4. OUTSTANDING BUSINESS STATEMENT 
Resolved: 
The status of actions in the Outstanding Business Statement, be noted and
completed actions removed accordingly. 
5. PERFORMANCE AND IMPROVEMENT PLANNING 
G Guild, Head on Innovation, provided a short slide-based presentation
highlighting the change in performance reporting and improvement planning in 2023/24.

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6. SERVICE ANNUAL PERFORMANCE REPORT 2022/23 – CORPORATE &
DEMOCRATIC SERVICES 
There was submitted a report by Executive Director (Education and Children’s
Services) (23/175) presenting the Service Annual Performance Report (APR) 2022/23
for Corporate and Democratic Services (CDS); and (2) detailing progress over the last
year against improvement actions contained within the 2022/23 Service Business
Management Improvement Plan (BMIP). 
In response to a question from Councillor C Stewart regarding the reduction in
energy consumption this year, S Crawford advised that over the last year Property
Services had focused on large building audits. S Crawford thanked Business Managers
and Headteachers who had helped in monitoring and using less energy across schools
in Perth and Kinross. S Crawford confirmed that this year had been marginally warmer
than previous years which had helped. S Crawford advised that the percentages in
reduction of consumption this year form part a ten-year ongoing reduction project in
Perth and Kinross Council. 
In response to a question from Bailie A Bailey regarding sickness absences for
employees and if the average of 13 days reflects pre-covid levels, P Johnstone advised
that the sickness levels for 2019/20 would be shared with members following
committee.  P Johnstone confirmed that cases of Covid stopped being recorded in
January 2023 and only notifiable infectious diseases were recorded from July 2022
onwards which had an impact on the sickness levels increasing in terms of short-term
absences. P Johnstone added that in terms of sickness absence levels it is difficult to
determine who is a hybrid employee and who is working from home as data is not
recorded. However, P Johnstone confirmed that HR would undertake further analysis to
establish the types of roles those sickness absences are in. 
In response to a question from Councillor K Allan regarding the pilot of the
Microsoft Chatbot in Perth and Kinross Council, L Harris confirmed that in terms of
improving customer experience, it is vital to have consultation with employees. L Harris
added that employee consultation would allow for appropriate testing to be undertaken
to ensure that the Chatbot function is fit for purpose before being rolled out across the
organisation. 
In response to a question from Councillor W Robertson regarding the devolved
decision-making pilot for the Kinross-shire Area, the Convener confirmed that the three
areas that agreed to undergo a devolved decision-making process as part of the budget
process, would be formed by the outcomes, lessons learned and continuous
improvement of the Kinross-shire pilot.   
In response to a question from Councillor I Massie regarding sickness absence
levels amongst teachers, P Johnstone advised that 8.9 days is per head count of the
teacher population. P Johnstone confirmed that details on short-term, medium-term,
and long-term absences of the teaching population would be provided following
committee.  In response to a question from Councillor F Smith regarding teacher
sickness absences caused by disruption of pupils, P Johnstone advised that new
arrangements are in place to report and monitor levels of violence and aggression by
pupils.

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In response to a question from Councillor C Shiers regarding the availability of
comparative data on sickness absence levels to benchmark with other Local
Authorities, K Donaldson advised that timing had been a factor and information would
be published formally through the Local Government Benchmarking Framework later in
the year. 
Members thanked officers for their work in preparing the Corporate and
Democratic Services Annual Performance Report. 
Resolved:
The contents of the Corporate and Democratic Services’ Annual Performance
Report 2022/23, be scrutinised. 
7. COMMUNITIES SERVICE ANNUAL PERFORMANCE REPORT 2022/23 
There was submitted a report by Executive Director (Communities) (23/181)
presenting the Service Annual Performance Report 2022/23 for Communities; and (2)
detailing progress against targets and improvement actions over the last year against
the 2022/23 Service Business Management Improvement Plan.   
In resposne to a question from Councillor K Allan regarding tackling inequalities
across Perth and Kinross, B Renton confirmed that the Community Planning
Partnership agreed to focus on two areas – Coupar Angus and Crieff, but Perth and
Kinross Council are committed to tackling inequalities and poverty across all areas in
Perth and Kinross. C Mailer added that several locality-based projects are also
underway including in areas of Letham and Highland Perthshire. C Mailer advised that
Perth and Kinross Council have recently initiated a data discovery project which
involves mapping poverty and inequalities across all localities to ensure targeted work
can be achieved. 
Councillor C Shiers raised concerns over individuals in rural areas in Perth and
Kinross not having adequate access to broadband provision. G Pinfield sympathised
with individuals’ frustrations but confirmed that Perth and Kinross Council have bid into
the UK Government Programme for the Local Full Fibre Network to help reach
properties with connection struggles. G Pinfield confirmed that work had also been
underway with Open Reach to target properties in difficult terrain and to encourage
overspill into premises off the main contract. 
In response to a question from Councillor I Massie regarding support offered to
tenants suffering with mould and damp, E Ritchie advised that the Housing Service
have developed a robust procedure which offers advice and assistance to tenants who
struggle with mould and damp in their premises. E Ritchie added that initially, the
property would be investigated to see the appropriate course of action to be taken as
the mould could be a result of many factors such as ventilation issues or improvement
works needing carried out. E Ritchie confirmed that an Elected Member Briefing Note
had been circulated regarding the Councill’s position and would be recirculated in due
course with up-to-date information. 
In response to a question from Councillor C Shiers regarding footfall in small
towns out with Perth City Centre, B Renton advised that an update would be provided
following Committee.

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In response to a question from Councillor E Drysdale regarding challenges of
recruitment and retention of staff, P Johnstone advised that there had been a shortage
nationally of employees in particular roles and work had been underway across the
organisation to help retain and attract employees through career fairs and promoting
posts on social media, emphasizing the benefits of working and living in Perth and
Kinross. P Johnstone added that hybrid opportunities are also available. In response to
a supplementary question from Councillor E Drysdale regarding the relationship
between Perth and Kinross Council and Skills Development Scotland (SDS), P
Johnstone advised that the Council does work closely with SDS in terms of promoting
opportunities, economic development, long term unemployed schemes and modern
apprenticeships. 
Members thanked officers for their work in preparing the Communities Annual
Performance Report. 
Resolved:
The contents of the Communities Service Annual Performance report 2022/23,
be scrutinised. 
THERE WAS A SHORT RECESS AND THE MEETING RECONVENED AT 11.20AM.  
8. EDUCATION AND CHIDLREN’S SERVICES ANNUAL PERFOMANCE
REPORT 2022/23 
There was submitted a report by Executive Director (Education and Children’s
Services) (23/181) presenting the Service Annual Performance Report (APR) 2022/23
for Education and Children’s Services; and (2) detailing progress against targets and
improvement actions over the last year against the 2022/23 Service Business
Management Improvement Plan (BMIP).   
As part of her opening remarks, S Devlin advised that data on the achievement
of Curriculum for Excellence 2019/20 would be circulated to members following
Committee.  S Devlin confirmed that the reason it was not originally included in the
Annual Performance Report had been due to the data being incomplete. The direction
from the Scottish Government at the time was that gathering and the submission of
data was not required due to pressures of the pandemic. 
In response to a question from Councillor I Massie regarding the new electronic
tracking system to monitor children’s progress in early learning centre settings, B Scott
advised data gathered would not be shared with parents but reassured members that
parents are kept well informed about their child’s progress through other processes.
B Scott confirmed that some settings have physical children’s profiles that children can
share with their parents. 
In response to a question from Councillor C Shiers regarding work being
undertaken to improve children’s attendance across Perth and Kinross schools,
S Johnston advised that challenges regarding attendance had risen following the
pandemic, with a range of issues varying from children feeling too anxious to attend
school or children that attend school in the morning but do not turn up to all classes
throughout the day. S Johnston confirmed that there are ongoing projects to look at
emotionally based absences and support children with mental health issues.
S Johnston advised that through staffing arrangements, Pupil Care and Welfare

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Officers have been introduced into Secondary Schools and Community Link Assistants
in Primary Schools to support child attendance. S Johnston added that attendance had
been a national issue and work had been underway with other Local Authorities to
analyse best practice and see what more could be done in improving child attendance
across schools. 
In response to a supplementary question from Councillor C Shiers regarding
recording the reasons for a child’s absence, S Johnston advised that as well as
recording absences through the system SEEMIS, Quality Improvement Officers have
quarterly meetings with senior staff to discuss that school’s attendance data.
Attendance rates are gathered and any child that has below 80% rate should be
actioned and monitored. 
In response to a question from Councillor W Robertson regarding the Curriculum
for Excellence and the performance of Perth and Kinross Council, S Devlin confirmed
that through the Quality Improvement Framework, Education and Children’s Services
work with Headteachers across schools in Perth and Kinross to monitor the quality of
learning and teaching in every classroom to ensure it is the best it can be. 
In response to a question from Councillor C Stewart regarding instances where
exclusion from school is the appropriate solution for a child demonstrating challenging
or violent behaviour, S Devlin confirmed that alternative measures to discipline a child
are preferred over the use of exclusion, however, the Exclusion Guidance can permit
exclusion to the appropriate measure based on the context of the situation and to
benefit the young person involved and others around them. In response to a
supplementary question from Councillor C Stewart, S Johnston advised that a quick
and simple electronic recording system had been created to allow staff to able to record
incidents of behaviour as they happen. Incidents that are recorded are sent to the
Quality Improvement Officer Team who track the data to see if there is a pattern in
behaviour from the same child and if intervention measures are required. If multiple
incidents arise for the same child, then a discussion would be held with the school to
see if further support could be provided to the child without having to use exclusion. 
In response to a question from Councillor E Drysdale regarding work being
undertaken to reduce the attainment gap of literacy and numeracy throughout primary
schools, G Doogan advised that levels of improvement in reducing the attainment gap
had been shown across all ages but confirmed that there had been a significant
development at stage Primary 4 due to targeted work. G Doogan confirmed that
Education and Children’s Services are in the process of gathering data for 2022/23 and
early indications are positive. S Johnston added that even though there had been levels
of improvement, children who are most disadvantaged within Perth and Kinross
continue to improve less well than those who are least disadvantaged. S Johnston
confirmed that work continues to improve the gap for all children. 
In response to a question from Councillor J Welch regarding actions plan in
place to improve areas of free school meal uptake, S Devlin advised that work had
been underway across schools in Perth and Kinross and secondary young people had
participated in a national survey regarding school meal preferences. S Devlin added
that results highlighted that secondary young people least preferred the option of a sit-
down lunch in a large school hall and favoured the option of a grab and go type facility.
S Devlin confirmed that grab and go facilities had increased within schools but with
other grab and go facilities available out with the school premises, it had been difficult

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to encourage young people who are entitled to a free school meal to take them. 
S Devlin highlighted the importance in improving the dining experience in line with the
feedback received from young people. In response to a supplementary question from
Bailie A Bailey regarding the number of pupils in secondary schools who are eligible for
free school meals but choose not to take them, S Devlin advised that data would be
circulated following Committee. 
Members thanked officers for their work in preparing the Education and
Children’s Services Annual Report. 
Resolved:
The contents of the Education and Children’s Services Annual Performance
report 2022/23, be scrutinised. 
9. ANNUAL GOVERNANCE STATEMENT 
There was submitted a report by Head of Legal and Governance Services
(23/182) presenting for scrutiny and review, the draft Annual Governance Statement
(AGS) for the financial year 2022/23 which provides assurance as to the effectiveness
of the Council’s governance framework and, in particular, the system of internal control. 
Resolved:
(i) The contents of the draft Annual Governance Statement for the financial year
2022/23, be scrutinised.
(ii) The assurance provided as to the adequacy and effectiveness of the Council’s
governance arrangements including the system of internal control, be noted. 
10. PERTH AND KINROSS HEALTH AND SOCIAL CARE PARTNERSHIP
CLINICAL AND CARE GOVERNANCE ASSURANCE REPORT   
There was submitted a report by Chief Officer, Perth and Kinross Health and
Social Care Partnership providing assurance on the Clinical Care and Professional
Governance of the Perth and Kinross Health and Social Care Partnership.   
Resolved: 
The contents of Report 23/179, be noted. 
IT WAS AGREED THAT THE PUBLIC AND PRESS SHOULD BE EXCLUDED
DURING CONSIDERATION OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS IN ORDER TO AVOID
THE DISCLOSURE OF INFORMATION WHICH IS EXEMPT IN TERMS OF S30 OF
THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION (S) ACT 2002 
P1. ANNUAL REVIEW OF CYBER SECURITY 
There was submitted a report by Head of Legal and Governance Services
(23/180) providing an overview of the Council’s cyber security arrangements and
provide assurance as to the management and mitigation of relevant risks and threats.   
Resolved:
(i) The contents of Report 23/180, be scrutinised.
(ii) The assurance as regards the adequacy and effectiveness of the Council’s cyber
risk and management arrangements, be noted.