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Minute of Meeting of Scrutiny and Performance Committee of 12 June 2024 for Approval

Perth and Kinross Council · 18 September 2024
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SCRUTINY AND PERFORMANCE COMMITTEE 
Minute of hybrid meeting of the Scrutiny and Performance Committee held in the
Council Chambers, 2 High Street, Perth, on Wednesday 12 June 2024 at 09.30am. 
Present: Councillor C Stewart, Bailie A Bailey, Bailie C Ahern (substituting for C
Shiers), Councillors K Allan, A Forbes, S Carr, M Frampton, I MacPherson (substituting
for I Massie), W Robertson, F Smith, and J Welch. 
In Attendance: C Mailer (Director – Strategy, People and Resources); A Williams
(Director – Economy, Place and Learning), E Ritchie, S Skene and J Scotcher
(Economy, Place and Learning), L Simpson, J Clark, K Jamangile, A Goodey, S
Wallace, K Molley, A Brown, and M Pasternak (Strategy, People and Resources); and
K Ogilvy (HSCP) 
Also in attendance: H Smout and C Kinnoull (Culture P&K); P Cromwell and D
Maclehose (LAL); and C Glasgow and V Rawlings-Jackson (PTCH) (up to Item 6) 
Apologies: Councillors I Massie and C Shiers 
Councillor C Stewart, Convener, Presiding. 
The Convener led discussion on Items 1-6 and the Vice-Convener led discussion on
item 7 – 8 and P1. 
1. WELCOME AND APOLOGIES 
The Convener welcomed all those present to the meeting and an apology was
noted as above. 
2. DECLARATIONS OF INTEREST 
No declarations of interest were made in terms of the Councillors’ Code of
Conduct. 
3. MINUTE OF MEETING OF THE SCRUTINY AND PERFORMANCE
COMMITTEE OF 24 APRIL 2024 
The minute of meeting of the Scrutiny and Performance Committee of 
24 April 2024 was submitted and approved as a correct record. 
4. OUTSTANDING BUSINESS STATEMENT 
Resolved: 
The status of actions in the Outstanding Business Statement, be noted and
completed actions removed accordingly.

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5. UPDATE BYARMS LENGTH EXTERNAL ORGANISATIONS 
(i) Culture P&K   
H Smout, Chief Executive delivered a short slide-based presentation on the
performance of the new Perth Museum. Members questions were answered. 
(ii) Live Active Leisure 
P Cromwell, Chief Executive delivered a short slide-based presentation on Perth
Live Active Leisure City Transitioning Planning. Members questions were answered. 
(iii) Perth Theatre and Concert Hall 
C Glasgow, Chief Executive delivered a short slide-based presentation on
Perthshire Box Officer Progress. Members questions were answered. 
The Convener asked representatives from each of the ALEOs to give a brief
update on the key risks identified in their Annual Governance Statement. 
It was agreed reports from the ALEOs on what further plans are underway to
prepare for the commencement of the ALEO Transformation project and latest financial
updates be brought to Committee in September 2024. 
The Convener thanked representatives from each of the three ALEOs for their
attendance and they left the meeting. 
THERE FOLLOWED A SHORT RECESS AND THE MEETING RECONVENED AT
AM. 
6. EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS REVIEW – OVERVIEW OF ACTIVITY 
There was a report submitted by Strategic Lead – Environment and
Infrastructure (24/175) focusing on the Council’s preparedness, response, and recovery
efforts during weather events, and identifying areas for improvement to enhance the
Council’s effectiveness in handling similar future events. 
In response to a question from Bailie C Ahern regarding a contact list for future
emergency events for residents, E Ritchie advised that following the severe weather
events in October 2023, the Council developed a Welfare Protocol. E Ritchie confirmed
as part of the Welfare Protocol, an information sheet had been included of key contact
details. E Ritchie confirmed that the document would be uploaded to the Council
website. 
In response to a question from Councillor K Allan regarding preparedness for
future weather events that may occur over the summer, S Skene advised that staff are
on call 24 hours a day from the Roads Maintenance Partnership, the Civil
Contingencies Team and from other areas. S Skene confirmed that all round cover
would be in place if required.

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In response to a question from Councillor W Robertson regarding a programme
on clearing drains that are prone to flooding, J Scotcher advised the gullies in flood
susceptible areas are on a schedule to be cleaned regularly. J Scotcher added that
unfortunately with the sheer number of gulleys across Perth and Kinross and with
limited resources, it would be difficult to keep all gullies clean. J Scotcher confirmed that
gullies are on an annual list and could also be cleaned reactively in the event of severe
weather. A Williams added that as weather events are constantly changing, work would
be undertaken with partners to develop a predictive model as part of the full year
Resilience Plan to try and prioritise which gullies are more likely to have flash flooding
events. Members suggested meeting in their political groupings to look at ditches as
part of budget discussions for the following year. 
In response to a question from Councillor K Allan regarding budget setting, C
Mailer advised that when services and Strategic Leads across the organisation identify
additional demands within service areas then budget pressures would be put forward
by officers through the normal budget setting process. C Mailer added that a review had
been undertaken on emergency resilience and confirmed that it would continue to be
monitored. In a supplementary question, Councillor K Allan queried should the
organisation be doing more in terms of tackling the issue of cleaning gullies. A Williams
confirmed that further information would be circulated with members following
committee. 
In response to a question from the Convener regarding community involvement
in closing the flood gates, L Simpson confirmed for insurance reasons community
groups could not be included in closing the flood gates. The Convener also queried if
other public sector agencies would be able to provide support if required. C Mailer
confirmed the first focus had been to enhance the capacity within staffing resources
internally. C Mailer added that there are challenges around the technical ability and the
risks of closing the gates but confirmed that officers would explore other opportunities
going forward. 
In response to a further question from the Convener, A Williams confirmed that
the report on the Year-Round Weather Events Response would be submitted to the
Economy and Infrastructure Committee in August 2024. 
Resolved:
The contents of Report 24/175, be noted. 
7.  ANNUAL GOVERNANCE STATEMENT 2023/24 
There was submitted a report by Strategic Lead – Legal and Governance
(24/176) presenting for scrutiny and review, the draft Annual Governance Statement
(AGS) for the financial year 2023/24 which provides assurance as to the effectiveness
of the Council’s governance framework and in particular the system of internal control. 
Bailie A Bailie queried if succession planning would be developed to mitigate the
impact of staff leaving the organisation either through retirement or by moving to
another job. L Simpson advised that in terms of loss of skills, knowledge and
experience, the issue would be considered in phase two of the Leadership Review. L

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Simpson added that the People and Culture Strategy 2024-2028 would be submitted to
the Finance and Resources Committee later that afternoon for approval which would
include areas around workforce planning, succession planning and key risks
associated. L Simpson also confirmed that within service management teams own
operational business, the issue would be addressed.
Resolved:
(i) The draft Annual Governance Statement for the financial year 2023/24, be
scrutinised. 
(ii) The assurance provided as to the adequacy and effectiveness of the Council’s
governance arrangements including the system of internal control, be noted. 
8. PERTH AND KINROSS HEALTH & SOCIAL CARE PARTNERSHIP (HSCP)
CLINICAL AND CARE GOVERNANCE ASSURANCE REPORT 
There was submitted a report by Chief Social Work Officer (24/177) providing
assurance to Perth & Kinross Council’s Scrutiny and Performance Committee on the
Clinical Care and Professional Governance of the Perth and Kinross HSCP. 
In response to a question from Councillor K Allan, K Ogilvy confirmed that when
fully staffed it would be possible to have Occupational Therapists assigned to individual
wards, however, with current resourcing issues, the resource had been centralised and
Occupational Therapists would be allocated depending on the level of need and risk
across PRI. In response to a supplementary question from Councillor K Allan regarding
the level of vacancy, K Ogilvy advised that there are 10 whole time equivalent
vacancies across the whole of the Partnership. 
Councillor A Forbes queried the reason for Occupational Therapist shortages. K
Ogilvy confirmed that there had been a national shortage of Occupational Therapists. K
Ogilvy advised that when full time posts are advertised in Perth and Kinross, they are
filled easily but that it had been more difficult to recruit into posts that are part time or
had fixed term funding. K Ogilvy added the Chief Officer had initiated a full review of the
health promotion service to ensure that staff are deployed as effectively and efficiently
as possible and to be able to identify any gaps in the process. 
In response to a question from Councillor K Allan regarding 400 people waiting
for help, K Ogilvy advised that that the community waiting list for Occupational
Therapist aids and adaptations would be managed by reviewing the priority list on an
ongoing basis. K Ogilvy added that where possible, people are allocated an
Occupational Therapist in terms of how long they had been on the list but could also be
allocated depending on need. K Ogilvy confirmed that people are prioritised into three
priorities based on support they require and confirmed that the Partnership are meeting
the response time to those prioritised in priority one. 
Resolved:   
(i)    The contents of Report 24/177, be scrutinised.
(ii) The evolving nature of risk, that it has expanded to OT provision within PRI and
in the community, be noted.

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IT WAS AGREED THAT THE PUBLIC AND PRESS SHOULD BE EXCLUDED
DURING CONSIDERATION OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS IN ORDER TO AVOID
THE DISCLOSURE OF INFORMATION WHICH IS EXEMPT IN TERMS OF
SCHEDULE 7A TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT (SCOTLAND) ACT 1973. 
P1. ANNUAL REVIEW OF CYBER SECURITY 
There was submitted a report by Strategic Lead – Legal and Governance and
Senior Information Risk Officer (24/178) (1) providing the Committee with assurance
that the Council’s Cyber Security controls are adequate, appropriate and effective and
comply the relevant regulatory requirements, and (2) setting out the current
arrangements in place to protect Council’s digital information and (3) giving an analysis
of their effectiveness in terms of counteracting threats and mitigating associated risks to
the integrity of Council’s systems and processes. 
Resolved:
(i) The content of the Report (24/178), be scrutinised and noted.
(ii) The assurance as regards the adequacy and effectiveness of the Council’s cyber
risk and management arrangements, be noted. 
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