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Minute of Meeting of Scrutiny and Performance Committee of 31 January 2024 for Approval

Perth and Kinross Council · 24 April 2024
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SCRUTINY AND PERFORMANCE COMMITTEE 
Minute of hybrid meeting of the Scrutiny and Performance Committee held in the
Council Chambers, 2 High Street, Perth, on Wednesday 31 January 2024 at 09.30am. 
Present: Councillor C Stewart, Bailie A Bailey, Bailie C Ahern (substituting for
Councillor K Allan), A Forbes, K Harvey (substituting for Councillor S Carr), M
Frampton, I Massie, W Robertson, C Shiers, F Smith, and J Welch. 
In Attendance: T Glen, Chief Executive; C Mailer (Director – Strategy, People and
Resources); B Renton (Executive Director (Communities)); S Devlin (Executive Director
(Education and Children’s Services)); F Robertson, K Johnston, E Ritchie, M
Butterworth, F Crofts, A Brown, H Hope and S Skene (Communities); K Ogilvy and M
Dickson (HSCP); L Simpson, A Taylor, L Dott, K Molley, A Brown, and M Pasternak
(Strategy, People and Resources). 
Also in attendance: C Glasgow and C Hood, PTCH; P Cromwell and D McElhose, LAL
Ltd; and H Smout, Culture P&K 
Apologies: Councillors K Allan and S Carr 
Councillor C Stewart, Convener, Presiding. 
The Convener led discussion on Items 1- 5 & 7-8 and the Vice-Convener led discussion
on item 6. 
1. WELCOME AND APOLOGIES 
The Convener welcomed all those present to the meeting and apologies were
noted above. 
2. DECLARATIONS OF INTEREST 
No declarations of interest were made in terms of the Councillors’ Code of
Conduct. 
THE COMMITTEE AGREED TO VARY THE ORDER OF BUSINESS AT THIS POINT. 
3. MINUTES 
3(i) MINUTE OF SPECIAL MEETING OF THE SCRUTINY AND PERFORMANCE
COMMITTEE OF 22 NOVEMBER 2023 
The minute of special meeting of the Scrutiny and Performance Committee of 
22 November 2023 was submitted and approved as a correct record. 
3(ii) MINUTE OF MEETING OF SCRUTINY AND PERFORMANCE COMMITTEE
OF 11 DECEMBER 2023 
The minute of meeting of the Scrutiny and Performance Committee of 
11 December 2023 was submitted and approved as a correct record.

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4. OUTSTANDING BUSINESS STATEMENT 
Resolved: 
The status of actions in the Outstanding Business Statement, be noted and
completed actions removed accordingly. 
5. UPDATE BY ARM’S LENGTH EXTERNAL ORGANISATIONS 
(i) Perth Theatre and Concert Hall 
C Glasgow, Chief Executive and C Hood, Chairman, Perth Theatre and Concert
Hall provided a brief update on PTCH’s contribution so far, in supporting the
delivery of the Cultural Strategy’s Year 1 Action Plan. The report was shared
with members in advance of the meeting. 
(ii) Live Active Leisure Ltd 
P Cromwell, Chief Executive and D McElhose, Chairman, Live Active Leisure
provided a brief update on LAL’s contribution so far, in supporting the delivery of
the Physical Activity & Sport Strategy’s Year 1 Action Plan. The report was
shared with members in advance of the meeting. 
(iii) Culture P&K 
H Smout, Chief Executive provided a brief update on Culture P&K’s contribution
so far, in supporting the delivery of the Cultural Strategy’s Year 1 Action Plan.
The report was shared with members in advance of the meeting. 
Members questions were answered. Councillor C Stewart thanked
representatives for their attendance and they left the meeting. 
THERE FOLLOWED A SHORT RECESS AND THE MEETING RECONVENED AT
1055AM. 
6.  REVIEW OF EXTEREME WEATHER EVENTS IN PERTH AND KINROSS IN
OCTOBER 2023   
There was submitted a report by Chief Executive (24/45) considering the
remainder of the report presented to Scrutiny and Performance Committee on 22
November 2023 22 November 2023 (Report No 23/232 refers). 
In response to a question from the Vice-Convener regarding the number of
housing properties that experienced internal flooding in Invergowrie during storm Babet,
M Butterworth advised that 7 residential properties had been reported in November with
internal flooding. However, through further engagement with residents it had been
confirmed that 49 residential properties and 5 businesses struggled with internal
funding. M Butterworth confirmed that those affected had received grant funding from
the Scottish Government. B Renton added that residents in the village of Invergowrie

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were leafleted and asked to provide feedback which created more contact with the
Council regarding the weather event. 
In response to a question from Councillor A Forbes, B Renton confirmed that the
in her experience the link with the Local Resilience Partnership across Tayside had
been very useful in ensuring that all partners are aware of the issues occurring across
all three local authority areas and then would link back into the Incident Management
Team. 
In response to a question from Councillor J Welch regarding the involvement of
External Agencies and how they work together, B Renton advised that nationally
resilience had been established in Scotland by several category one and category two
responders and the Local Resilience Partnership are made of those organisations. B
Renton highlighted the strength of the Local Resilience Partnership and the national
collective work in managing incidents. B Renton confirmed that since the weather
incidents in October 2023 there are strong discussions ongoing with SEPA on the
telemetry of the river Tay which should help for future preparedness.   
The Convener suggested that the protocol that had been created following the
weather events in October 2023 on how information would be cascaded from SSE to
SEPA and then through to the Council be shared with members. Councillor C Stewart
referred to the storm at the end of December and queried if the protocol had been
effective as a member had contacted staff to alert them of a potential release of water.
B Renton confirmed that the Council were in regular contact with SEPA and SSE
Renewables throughout the weather events in December. B Renton advised that the
Council had not been clear on the impact of the snow melt over the Tay catchment area
and discussions are being held with agencies as different information had been
received throughout the December events. However, B Renton confirmed that
relationships are strong between the agencies to be able to question and ask for more
information.
Councillor C Shiers raised concerns over a change of personnel across agencies
and knowing that processes remain followed. B Renton advised that there had not been
conversations held yet with other agencies in terms of suggested changes to the Flood
Protection Scheme. B Renton confirmed that as part of future planning the Council
need to ensure that all agencies are aware of any changes made to the Flood
Protection Scheme.
In response to a question from the Convener regarding engagement with
businesses at Friarton in closing the flood gates at the appropriate time, A Brown
confirmed that the Council are in contact with businesses regarding when the gates are
due to be closed and reopened. M Butterworth added that as part of the Improvement
Plan, officers are looking to extend training to other Council employees, so further
support can be made available to the Roads Maintenance Partnership in the event of
an emergency.
In response to a question from Councillor A Forbes regarding the action included
in the Improvement Plan on developing a protocol to share vulnerable people lists
during emergencies, H Hope provided assurance that the Council have contacted
SSEN for a list of their vulnerable customers to help share information regarding future
weather events. The Convener asked members to encourage their local Community

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Groups and Community Councils to form Community Resilience Teams which would
help reach all vulnerable people in the event of an emergency. 
In response to a question from Councillor J Welch regarding how we are going to
work collaboratively across the Council through other committees such as E,I&ED,
Climate Change and Planning to mitigate issues within a catchment level, B Renton
advised that a report would be brought to the next E,I&ED Committee on the officer
response to a consultation that the Scottish Government are operating in relation to
water, waste water and drainage policy. B Renton advised that as part of the response
officers would emphasise what would the impact be on climate change and how do we
collectively tackle it. 
In response to a question from Councillor C Shiers regarding equipment for
operative employees, M Butterworth advised that staff are given the correct protective
clothing to wear out on site. M Butterworth added that regular meetings are held with
trade union representatives to check that employees are safe at work. M Butterworth
assured members that he had not been aware of any issues and that the necessary
arrangements are in place to protect staff. 
In response to a question from Councillor I Massie regarding the number of
Community Reliance Groups that have formed since the weather events in October
2023, S Skene advised that 20 groups have been created. S Skene confirmed that the
Council are looking to support groups to develop and have been flexible at arranging
meetings out of work hours. S Skene confirmed that next steps include developing
Local Resilience Plans for each of the Community Resilience Groups. 
Councillor C Shiers raised concerns over poor mobile coverage in rural areas in
the event of a weather emergency. Officers agreed that the action would be included in
the Improvement Plan. 
B Renton suggested that a tour of the Flood Protection Scheme be provided to
members. 
Members thanked B Renton and her teams for their ongoing work towards the
actions outlined in the Improvement Plan. 
Resolved:
(i)     The findings of the review into the Council’s preparedness, response, and 
recovery activity during each of the three October weather events from Section 7 
of Report 23/232 onwards, be considered.  
(ii)  The updated improvement actions identified within Appendix 1 of Report 24/45,
be considered. 
THERE FOLLOWED A SHORT RECESS AND THE MEETING RECONVENED AT
12.20PM.
7. DRAFT CORPORATE DELIVERY AND IMPROVEMENT PLAN 2024/25 
There was submitted a report by Chief Executive (24/44) presenting the draft
Corporate Delivery and Improvement Plan (CDIP) for 2024/25 for consideration, with

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updated baseline data where this has become available since the plan was presented
to Council. 
In response to a question from Councillor A Forbes regarding further information
on direct tourism expenditure and economic impact of tourism, L Dott confirmed that
information would be shared following committee. 
In response to a question from Councillor C Shiers regarding the Cost of the
School Day toolkit, S Devlin advised that all schools in Perth and Kinross are using the
Cost of the School Day toolkit. S Devlin confirmed that a session had recently been
held for all school Headteachers on the toolkit at the Headteacher Development Day. In
response to a supplementary question from Councillor C Shiers, C Mailer confirmed
that all benchmarking information would continue to be reported in the Annual
Performance Report and online in terms of wider benchmarking data. 
Councillor C Stewart queried the same baseline data for the number of
community asset transfers and community groups applying for community asset
opportunities. Officers agreed to relook at the data. 
In relation to those experiencing and at risk of poverty, the Vice-Convener
suggested changing the monitoring to see how many individuals are helped by cash
first partnerships instead of measuring success in the number of cash first partnerships.
C Mailer confirmed that the suggestion would be taken on board and factored into the
final version of the CDIP. 
In relation to the decarbonisation of the fleet which would be measured by the
increase in number of council vehicles with electric or other zero direct carbon fuel
technologies, the Vice-Convener suggested increasing the goal by including a
percentage increase target. C Mailer confirmed that the suggestion would be fed back
to officers but would be driven by the availability of resources. 
The Vice-Convener referred to the figure of 20% reduction of vehicle kilometres
within a year. L Dott advised that the figure had been taken from the Climate Change
Action Plan but would be confirmed with members following Committee. 
In response to a question from Councillor A Forbes regarding distressing
behaviour by pupils at school, S Devlin advised that there are several pieces of work
underway to ensure that children and staff are safe when attending school. S Devlin
confirmed the Anti-bullying Strategy had recently been reviewed in full consultation with
staff across all schools. S Devlin added that several measures and supports are being
looked at for children who find it difficult to attend and engage in school. S Devlin
confirmed that robust processes are in place and encourage staff to report distressed or
violent behaviour. Following a further question from Councillor A Forbes, S Devlin
advised that those results are monitored, and data would be reported to the Employees
Joint Consultative Committee on a quarterly basis. S Devlin confirmed that the objective
would be to reduce the number of incidents in schools across Perth and Kinross where
possible. 
In relation to the previous question, the Vice-Convener referred to measuring
success by schools having robust procedures to reduce bullying in line with improving
relationships and suggested that when undertaking the next review of the CDIP to
include objective measures.

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In response to a question from Councillor A Forbes regarding affordable housing
and how success would be measured by maintaining the 53% / 47% split across urban
and rural areas, C Mailer confirmed that the percentage split between urban and rural
areas had been based on the housing need for local communities. Councillor A Forbes
also referred to the baseline data of 71 buybacks/empty homes and queried if a target
had been set for improving results over the next year, C Mailer advised that within the
Local Housing Strategy a target had been set for the delivery of affordable homes and
buybacks. C Mailer confirmed that data would be shared with members following the
meeting. 
Resolved:
The draft CDIP and available baseline measures outlined in Report 24/44, be
considered. 
8. PERTH AND KINROSS HEALTH & SOCIAL CARE PARTNERSHIP (HSCP)
CLINICAL AND CARE GOVERNANCE ASSURANCE REPORT 
There was submitted a report by Chief Social Work Officer (24/46) providing
assurance to Perth & Kinross Council’s Scrutiny and Performance Committee on the
Clinical Care and Professional Governance of the Perth and Kinross HSCP. 
Bailie C Ahern raised concerns over issues of recruitment within the mental
health workforce and queried if the redesign of services should be considered. K Ogilvy
confirmed that several options are being looked at to help recruit mental health
professionals within Perth and Kinross. K Ogilvy advised that that in terms of redesign,
the Health and Social Care Partnership are looking at alternative roles such as
Advanced Nurse Practitioners to take on some of the lower end roles that consultants
have traditionally undertaken to allow current consultants to focus on more complex
areas. K Ogilvy added that as well as the wider mental health redesign across Tayside,
discussions are being held locally on the redesign of the Community Mental Health
teams to make better use of the resources and services that are currently in place. 
In resposne to a similar question from the Vice-Convener on recruitment in adult
social work and social care and the lack of care at home capacity especially around
rural Perth and Kinross, K Ogilvy advised that anyone could apply without experience
or qualifications as the appropriate training would be provided. 
In response to a question from Councillor I Massie regarding clinical and care
governance arrangements, K Ogilvy confirmed that there are Locality Governance
Groups for North, South and Perth City. There are also several Professional
Governance Groups which meet regularly. A Mental Health Governance Group had
been recently established to focus on mental health services, which refers to substance
use, learning disabilities and autism. K Ogilvy added that professional meetings are
also held for social workers and nurses to look at specific governance arrangements
within those professions. K Ogilvy confirmed that issues are addressed where possible
at the locality and professional level before being escalated to the Perth and Kinross
Care and Professional Governance Forum which covers all of Perth and Kinross. K
Ogilvy added that in addition, the Health and Social Care Partnership focus on
exception reporting, learning reviews, and risk monitoring. 
COUNCILLOR A FORBES LEFT THE MEETING DURING THIS ITEM.

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Resolved:
(i) The contents of Report 24/46, be scrutinised.
(ii) The Committee agreed to the level of Reasonable Assurance provided. 
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