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Argyll and Bute Council 
Comhairle Earra-Ghàidheal Agus Bhòid 
Executive Director:  Douglas Hendry 
Kilmory, Lochgilphead, PA31 8RT
Tel:  01546 602127  Fax:  01546 604435
DX 599700 LOCHGILPHEAD
6 December 2023 
NOTICE OF MEETING 
A meeting of the COWAL TRANSPORT FORUM will be held BY MICROSOFT TEAMS on
TUESDAY, 12 DECEMBER 2023 at 2:00 PM, which you are requested to attend. 
Douglas Hendry
Executive Director 
BUSINESS 
1. APOLOGIES FOR ABSENCE 
2. DECLARATIONS OF INTEREST 
3. MINUTES (Pages 3 - 10)  
Minutes of the meeting of the Cowal Transport Forum held on Tuesday 13 September
2023 
4. FERRIES UPDATE 
(a) Travel Subsides - Discussion led by David Clough, Dunoon Community
Council (Pages 11 - 14)  
(b) Opportunity for verbal updates by Cowal Transport Forum Members 
5. PUBLIC TRANSPORT 
(a) Public Transport Update (Pages 15 - 16)   
Update by Contract Officer, Argyll and Bute Council  
(b) Opportunity for verbal updates by Cowal Transport Forum Members 
6. ROADS UPDATE 
(a) Opportunity for verbal updates by Cowal Transport Forum Members 
7. POLICE SCOTLAND 
Update from Police Scotland 
8. TRANSPORT SCOTLAND 
Update from Transport Scotland
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9. ANY OTHER COMPETENT BUSINESS 
10. DATE OF NEXT MEETING 
To be confirmed 
Cowal Transport Forum 
Councillor Daniel Hampsey (Chair) Councillor William Sinclair (Vice-Chair)   
Contact: Julieann Small, Senior Committee Assistant - 01546 604043

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MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE COWAL TRANSPORT FORUM HELD BY MICROSOFT
TEAMS 
ON WEDNESDAY, 13 SEPTEMBER 2023 
Present: Councillor Daniel Hampsey (Chair) 
Councillor William Sinclair 
Councillor Ross Moreland
Stuart McLean, Committee Manager, Argyll and Bute Council
Taylor Cairns, Calmac
Gordon Ross, Western Ferries
Captain Alistair McLundie, Western Ferries
Neil Stewart, West Coast Motors
Dave Cooper, Hunters Quay Community Council
Kerris Bone, Kilmun Community Council 
Kirstie Reid, Strachur Community Council
Michael Breslin, South Cowal Community Council
Alex Wilde, Shaping Places for Wellbeing
Neil MacFarlane, Transport Scotland
Allan Comrie, Strathclyde Partnership for Transport (SPT)
Frauke Thornton, Dunoon Community Council
Tom Murray, Lochgoilhead Community Council
Graham Revill, Kilmun Community Council
Ronald McAlister, Bute Ferry Committee 
Attending: Liz Neilson, Resident in Sandbank 
Aileen Danby, Resident in Hunters Quay
Valerie Edmonson, on behalf of resident in Dunoon 
1. APOLOGIES FOR ABSENCE 
The Chair welcomed everyone to the meeting and introductions were made. 
Apologies for absence were intimated by: 
Tommy Gore, Calmac;
Councillor Audrey Forrest, Argyll and Bute Council;
Inspector Barry Convery, Police Scotland; and 
Becky Hothersall, Shaping Places for Wellbeing 
2. DECLARATIONS OF INTEREST 
There were no declarations of interest. 
3. MINUTES 
The minutes of the meeting of the Cowal Transport Forum held on Tuesday 16 May 2023
was approved as a correct record. 
The Chair highlighted matters arising from the Bute and Cowal Area Committee on the 6th
June 2023, specifically in relation to the dial a bus and the related booking system. 
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The Chair advised of his productive meeting with West Coast Motors alongside Councillor
Moreland and highlighted that he had been advised that the dial a bus was fully
operational and that there is now a dedicated full time member of staff to deal with the
related calls; that each area has a dedicated number (0141 370 9262 for Dunoon) and
that he had been assured that any missed calls from customers would be dealt with as
soon as possible. 
Valerie Edmonson highlighted her disappointment at the response being given and
advised that there was no dial a bus and that it had been replaced with the Pingo bus
service, which does not provide exclusive access and is not a designated bus for elderly
service users as the dial a bus was. 
4. FERRIES UPDATE 
Councillor Sinclair recorded his thanks to both Calmac and Western Ferries for providing
great transportation for the Cowal Games as well as the great fireworks display from
Western Ferries. 
Western Ferries 
Gordon Ross highlighted that since the last meeting, the service has run at 100%
reliability with no service issues other than a cancellation due to the fog and that additional
sailings were provided for the Cowal Games weekend. 
It was noted that Gordon Ross had submitted two questions in advance of the meeting: 
‘Would it be possible for the Council to provide an update on the Dunoon terminal
upgrades and progress on moving the winter MCA Category C/D waters to the new
linkspan?’ 
The Committee Manager advised that on receipt of the questions he had forwarded to the
Argyll and Bute Councils Marine Operations Manager who provided the below response: 
‘Preparations for the Ground Investigations (GI) are completed and are now awaiting
confirmation from Scottish Government and Transport Scotland on vessel funding for the
route before proceeding. 
Assuming confirmation is received, the GI will proceed and we will look to finalise the OBC
with a preferred option for approval by Argyll & Bute Council Harbour Board. 
We have no update on any change to the categorisation of the Clyde estuary waters.’ 
Mr Ross advised that he was looking for more information on timings for the work and the
finance association with the improvements. 
Frauke Thornton, Dunoon Community Council, enquired whether Western Ferries new
building at McInroy’s Point would include public toilet facilities. Frauke also asked when
the display signs indicating that there may be queuing traffic at Hunters Quay, which had
been mentioned at a previous meeting, would be installed. Mr Ross advised that there
would not be public toilets in the building but that facilities were available on each ferry.
Councillor Sinclair confirmed that the Council were undertaking a recruitment exercise and
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that the new officer would be charged with installing the associated signage at Hunters
Quay. 
The Committee Manager advised that Aileen Danby, a resident at Hunters Quay had
submitted some questions in advance of the meeting in relation to the issues around
queuing traffic at Hunters Quay: 
1. Given the road looking right of ferry terminal is much wider, has two pavements and
does not include a road junction, and would not cause residents the same restriction
of exit and entry into their property as the road is much wider, could it be utilized for
queuing traffic? 
2. Signage is supplied which is clear regarding Qing and this is managed by either the
Police or Western ferries staff during busy periods. 
3. Western ferries find alternative Qing areas and utilize all of their staff parking within
the terminal to alleviate public road parking? 
4. I am yet to see any Police attendance on these very busy days, unlike the situation
on queuing on McInroy’s point, where police attend regularly. 
The Committee Manager advised that on receipt of the questions he had forwarded them
to the Networks and Standards Manager who advised that officers would be hosting a
partnership meeting regarding these issues and that Western Ferries, Council Officers,
Elected Members, Transport Scotland, Police Scotland and Community representatives
would be invited to attend. 
Outcome 
The Forum: 
1. noted the update by Western Ferries; and 
2. noted that the Committee Manager would submit Mr Ross’s further question to the
Marine Operations Manager and provide Mr Ross with the response. 
Calmac 
Kirsty Reid highlighted her disappointment at the Calmac cancellation figures given at the
Clyde and Kintyre Users Group with Colintraive/Rhubadoch having 447 cancelled sailings
which was down by 127, Rothesay/Wemyss Bay having 197 cancelled sailings which was
down by 825 and the Gourock/Dunoon which had 1,180 cancelled sailings which was up
by 238. 
Taylor Cairns highlighted that Calmac had been unable to collate the carrying figures due
to a system change and that they had now re-aligned the morning timetable to join up with
Scotrail services. Mr Cairns also advised of the disruptions due to the link span outage
and the two periods of emergency dry docking in which they ran shuttle buses. 
Kirstie Reid highlighted that she had been approached by a member of the public who
was visually impaired and was worried about cyclists cycling in front of the ferry waiting
room due to this being designated a preferred cycle route. Mr Cairns advised that signage
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had been installed advising cyclists to dismount and that they were in the process of
reviewing this. 
Outcome 
The Forum noted the update from Calmac. 
5. PUBLIC TRANSPORT 
Public Transport 
Mr Breslin highlighted his disappointment that the Council’s Public Transport Officer was
not in attendance. Mr Breslin advised that South Cowal Community Council had raised the
same issues of the 489 bus service for 30 months and nothing had changed, despite
repeated attempts to engage with Officers and elected members. 
Councillor Moreland advised that he and Councillor Hampsey had spoken to West Coast
Motors regarding this issue and that he would provide South Cowal Community Council
with an update at their meeting scheduled for the evening of 13 September. 
West Coast Motors 
Neil Stewart advised of a minor service change as a consequence of the return of schools
in August; the start of the new Tighnabruaich area contracts and introduction of new
vehicles; the amended 489 services to meet ferries in the afternoon; the minor service
changes due to the change of the Calmac and Scotrail timetables, to ensure the
connections are met in the morning and that the Pingo service continues to operate well. 
Mr Stewart highlighted that they are operating at 88% of mileage (excluding
Tighnabruaich) and carrying 79% of passengers compared to pre-covid level, adding that
the biggest gap remains concessions which are only at 65.7% compared to 2019. 
Valerie Edmonson enquired why the Dial a Bus service was withdrawn. 
Mr Stewart advised that if the Council wished to reintroduce this service West Coast
Motors can block the service off for exclusive use only however this would likely result in a
drop in overall patronage. 
Kerris Bone asked when bus times for Ardentinny to Dunoon and Innellan would be
changing back to pre-covid times, advising that young people are using the Pingo service
due to the lack of buses running at certain times. Ms Bone added that the lack of bus
services was also causing problems for people getting to and from places of employment. 
Mr Stewart advised that services to Dunoon up until 7.50pm are back to pre-covid and that
he is not aware of plans for further changes. 
Kirstie Reid asked if West Coast Motors would offer additional services for the Tuesday of
Inveraray Games and for the Saturday of Cowal Games. Mr Stewart advised that if they
are aware of these events in advance they could offer additional services. 
Mr Breslin advised that the bus timetables in many cases do not make it in time for the
ferry and people may not be using them because of this and that the service needs to get
back to the pre-pandemic levels which may increase the use of the services.
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Outcome 
The Forum: 
1. noted the update from West Coast Motors; and 
2. noted that the Committee Manager would contact the Public Transport Officer in
relation to the Dial a Bus being reinstated. 
Strathclyde Partnership for Transport (SPT) 
Allan Comrie advised that there had been changes to the Carrick Castle timetable due to
change of school times; that Scotrail had committed to advising Calmac of any rail
timetable changes; the removal of peak fares on the rail services would begin in October
for a period of 6 months and that the concessionary fares for ferries and trains continue to
be frozen until at least April 2024. 
Tom Murray, Lochgoilhead Community Council, advised that the Helensburgh to Carrick
bus service had been changed in the afternoon bringing it forward by half an hour with
very little notice to the community and that the timetable in the shelter at Lochgoilhead had
not been changed. 
Kirstie Reid advised that the change of timetable for the ferry and train times to align had
resulted in them being too close together meaning that it is more than likely travellers will
not make their connection. Kirstie asked for improved communication between Scotrail
and Calmac to ensure customers have enough time to make their onward connections. 
Councillor Sinclair highlighted that he had spoken to Calmac and had been advised that
very little communication had come from Scotrail regarding the change to the timetable
and that Calmac had done as much as they could to try and align their timetable. 
Outcome 
1. noted the update from SPT; and 
2. noted that Councillor Sinclair would enquire with Calmac and Scotrail whether
further changes to the timetables would be possible to ensure customers can make
onward connections. 
6. ROADS UPDATE 
Liz Neilson, enquired about the speed assessment in Sandbank and asked when the
results would be available and when any changes would come into place. Mrs Neilson
also raised concern that there was no safe crossings points, especially outside Sandbank
Primary School and asked how the community would go about getting safe crossings. 
Councillor Sinclair advised that he had raised the issues around speeding and the
accidents at various meetings and that he is continually working on this issue. 
The Committee Manager advised that at the Bute and Cowal Area Committee it was
proposed to raise these issues at the area at the Area Community Planning Group.
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Councillor Sinclair advised Mrs Neilson to contact the Roads Department in relation to the
crossings and added that he was happy if she was to write a letter to himself and he would
pass it on. 
Kerris Bone advised that there should be railings to stop children from running out onto
the road at Strone Playpark. Ms Bone also highlighted issues with cars parking on blind
corners and advised that there had been a collision recently due to this. Councillor Sinclair
advised Ms Bone to raise this at the Community Council and submit her concerns directly
to him to forward onto the relevant department within the Council. 
Tom Murray highlighted that there was new road signs in Lochgoilhead but none included
Carrick Castle and that on a recent trip to Dunoon he had noticed that nearly all road signs
(including speed signs) were partially covered by vegetation. Councillor Sinclair advised
Mr Murray to raise this at the Community Council and submit his concerns directly to him
to forward onto the relevant department within the Council. 
7. POLICE SCOTLAND 
It was noted that there was no representative from Police Scotland at the meeting. 
8. TRANSPORT SCOTLAND 
Neil MacFarlane provided the forum with a verbal update, advising that resurfacing work
was recently completed in the vicinity of Stuckgowan on the A82 and that there are 20
resurfacing schemes being carried out on the A83 this year valued at £3.7million, most of
these being on the Campbeltown side of the Cowal Peninsula. Mr MacFarlane added that
the road was resurfaced at the Rest and Be Thankful and at other locations in Glen Croe. 
Councillor Sinclair recorded his thanks for the work on the Rest and Be Thankful 
highlighting that the work had made such a difference especially for travelling time. 
Councillor Sinclair asked if Arrochar was one of the resurfacing schemes, noting that on
recent travels the road seems to have a lot of rutting in the middle of the road. 
Outcome 
The Forum: 
1. noted the Transport Scotland update; and 
2. noted that Mr MacFarlane would enquire about any works being undertaken in
Arrochar and provide Councillor Sinclair with a response. 
9. TIMBER TRANSPORT GROUP 
The Chair highlighted that Iain Catterwell was no longer in post and that the Timber
Transport Group were in the process of recruiting to this post. 
Kirstie Reid highlighted that she had previously raised concerns around the number of
lorries going into ditches at Loch Eck, advising that this continues. 
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Graham Revill advised of major tree felling work at Clachaig and that the lorries appear to
be going along the A815 to Glasgow and highlighted that it was a shame it was not going
to Sandbank. 
Outcome 
The Forum: 
1. noted that Councillor Sinclair would pass concerns regarding the number of lorries
going into ditches at Loch Eck to the Roads Department; and 
2. noted that the Committee Manager would pass concerns regarding the non-use of
Sandbank to the Timber Transport Group. 
10. ANY OTHER COMPETENT BUSINESS 
Kirstie Reid highlighted that the criteria had changed for patient transport services and
asked if information on this could be provided to the Group. 
Outcome 
The Forum noted that the Committee Manager would request a briefing note from the IJB
and circulate to the Group before the next meeting. 
11. DATE OF NEXT MEETING 
The Chair thanked everyone in attendance at the meeting and the Group noted that the
Committee Manager would circulate a calendar invite for a meeting, week beginning 11th
December in due course. 
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Cowal Transport Forum – December 2023
Agenda Item briefing note
Western Ferries
At the August meeting of the Bute and Cowal Community Planning Group held by Microsoft Teams
on Tuesday, 15 August 2023, Gordon Ross of Western Ferries made a verbal presentation.  My
contemporaneous notes of the meeting submitted to the Dunoon Community Council recorded the
following.
Western Ferries – Gordon Ross (MD). Interesting presentation.  32,000 sailings pa., 1.2m people
carried, 90% of employees live this side of the water.  Emergency out of hours ferries provided free of
charge.  Believes CalMac subsidy is around £5m – they carried 320k passengers in 2013 between
Gourock/ Dunoon, now running at £170k.  Simple maths – £29/passenger.  Suggested that if WF got
a £5m subsidy fares could be halved, and direct Dunoon / Glasgow bus could be introduced.   DC
raised issue of poor bus connections and Hunters Quay – Gordan agrees – needs to be taken up with
Cowal Transport Forum.  Idea from the attendees for public hire bicycles to get from Hunters Quay to
Dunoon.
When the official minutes were published, the following had been recorded.
(c) Western Ferries
Gordon Ross of Western Ferries provided the Group with an overview of the service provided. Gordon
advised that in June 2023 Western Ferries celebrated 50 years of service and that they were currently
celebrating the 10th anniversary of the naming ceremony of their newer boats the Sound of Seil and
the Sound of Soay.
Mr Ross advised that Western Ferries provide approximately 32,000 sailings a year from 6am until
midnight, 365 days a year adding that they provide a reliable, frequent and flexible service to the
community. It was also highlighted that Western Ferries provide a free out of hour’s service for
emergency services in Dunoon and have a stand by crew permanently on call.
Discussion took place in relation to the lack of joint working with bus operators to provide a bus link
at Hunters Quay into Dunoon.
Decision
The Bute and Cowal Area Community Planning Group:
1. considered and noted the information provided; and
2. requested that the Committee Manager relay the concerns of the Group regarding the lack of
connectivity between ferry services and bus services to the Contract Officer.
(Reference: Verbal Report by Managing Director, Western Ferries)
There was no reference to what I considered to be substantive claims about the possible
costs/subsidy of the current CalMac service.
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I raised this with Julieann Small on 4th October.
Julieann.  Good morning.
The minute about Western Ferries, from Gordon Ross.  No mention of his suggestion that the
current subsidy for CalMac be handed over to Western Ferries, reinstatement of the Dunoon
/ Glasgow bus service, and halving his fares to name but 3 of his ideas?
The same day I received a reply from Stuart Mclean
Good afternoon Mr Clough,  
Many thanks for your e-mail. 
The minute of the Bute and Cowal Area Community Planning Group, nor any other Council
Committee, are a verbatim record and are prepared to offer a summary of the discussions with
associated decisions. 
These minutes remain in draft until the next meeting of the Group when members will be asked to
approve them as an accurate record, with the agreement of Group members I would welcome any
changes at this stage. 
I hope this is helpful. 
Kind regards 
Stuart
At the October meeting of the Bute and Cowal Community Planning Group held by Microsoft Teams
on Tuesday, 31st October 2023 I brought this matter up under “approval of the minutes”.  There was a
staggering lack of willingness of those attending that meeting who were present at the August
meeting to second my proposed amendment to the minutes to include the salient points missed.
When the minutes of the October meeting were published, no mention was made of the proposed
amendment, or the vote.  I raised this with Stuart McLean on 14th October following my briefing to
the Dunoon Community Council at its October meeting the evening before.
Stuart - good morning.
Can I express my surprise that the lengthy discussion we had at the meeting, and the proposed
amendment and subsequent vote on the recording of the August minutes did not make it into the
minutes of this meeting.  I wish to escalate the matter of the minutes not reflecting salient points of
discussion and in particular votes, and will be bringing it up at this evenings DCC meeting to seek
their support.  In the meantime, could you please advise me and our Secretary of the due process.
Mr Ross's comments in August were, as far as I can make out, the most substantive thing that this
Committee has been presented with/ discussed in its last 2 meetings.  Every single October minute
states "The Bute and Cowal Area Community Planning Group considered and noted the information
provided" with the exception of 2 where there was an additional comments.  What are we all doing
for 2 1/2 hours?
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I've cc'd in Audrey Forrest as she also attends the DCC meetings, and was at the October meeting.
On the 15th he replied.
Good Morning Mr Clough, 
I hope you are well. 
The Councils standing orders, specifically standing order 10.5 are clear on this matter and state that
‘Motions or amendments which are not seconded will not be discussed or recorded in the minutes’.
The standing orders can be found by following this LINK – please see page 38. 
As your proposed amendment was not seconded and the minutes were unanimously agreed as a
correct record there was no need for a vote and by association of standing order 10.5 no need for
this to be recorded in the minutes. 
The Terms of Reverence of the Group can be accessed by following this LINK, please see item 4
appendix 1, the role and remit of the Group can be found on pages 1 and 2. 
I hope this is helpful, I have attached my contact details at the foot of this email if you would like to
discuss further. 
Kind regards 
Stuart 
Proposal
Before Argyll and Bute Council remove the linkspan, go and spend a reported £800k on harbour
ground investigations and CMAL procure 2 new ferries at a cost of millions* to the tax payer should
not some form of positive discussion take place between Transport Scotland, CMAL, CalMac, ABC
Council, Western Ferries, West Coast Motors, Scotrail and McGill buses to establish the actual facts
in relation to costs, and debate the most cost effective way of providing connectivity between
Dunoon Town Centre and Gourock Railway Station for the benefit of all residents, workers and
visitors to the Cowal Peninsula and surrounding area?
*   In 2020 Transport Scotland said the two new Dunoon ferries would cost 'within the £5m estimate'
which had been approved by ministers.  In 2021 a CMAL (Caledonian Maritime Assets Ltd) document
estimated the total cost of three new boats for Dunoon and Kilcreggan at £21m – source
https://thelochsidepress.com/2022/05/31/cost-increase-for-new-kilcreggan-and-dunoon-ferries-
appalling-msp
David Clough
23rd October 2023
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Cowal Transport Forum Update from Contract Officer, Argyll and Bute Council 
NHS request for further bus services serving Cowal Community Hospital
The transport team have fielded a request from the NHS regards the provision of an enhanced bus
service providing half hourly links from the centre of Dunoon to Cowal Community Hospital. Current
provision is hourly, which does not always match appointment schedules. 
A draft timetable has been produced and sent to NHS colleagues, and the details of the funding
requirement for this have also been sent to the NHS for information and consideration. 
Community Requests – West Cowal
A community interest group has made the following requests for consideration: 
 Better connections for Otter Ferry and Kilfinnan residents to travel to and from Dunoon. 
 Service 477 from West Cowal to Rothesay has been well received – the community have
requested a possible longer stay in Rothesay before the return journey. 
 Suggestion for the Service 490 to cross over on the ferry from Bute and connect with Service
478 at Auchenbreck to reduce journey times for passengers from Portavadie, Millhouse,
Kames, Tighnabruaich et al into Dunoon and vice versa. 
North Campbell Road
In-line with the above noted community request, we are also discussing with West Coast Motors
options for bus services serving North Campbell Road. Currently there are challenges with the larger
service buses accessing North Campbell Road due to difficulties navigating the turning at the top of
the hill, the result being buses grounding out and damaging the road surface. A possible solution
may involve the smaller Pingo-sized bus, but would have to be cost neutral to the local authority. 
Strachur Saturday Afternoon Service
In-line with the above noted community request, we are discussing with West Coast Motors the
possibility of Saturday afternoon services to Strachur in line with the weekday service. As with North
Campbell Road, and the West Cowal community requests, these would have to remain cost-neutral. 
Request from Kerris of the Kilmun Community Council - The community is looking for later
weekend bus's along the shore villages (Dunoon to Ardentinny). 
As noted in correspondence following the last Cowal Transport. Whilst it is unlikely that we will be
able to extend bus services much beyond their current times, due to a fixed budget, this will be
considered along with the above noted requests, as part of an overall review of Cowal bus services. 
Dunoon Grammar School/Hostel transport from West Cowal
We have had representation from the parents of pupils regarding the luggage capacity on the
vehicle transporting pupils to Dunoon Grammar School Hostel. The current vehicle is a PSV service
bus, which has air-conditioning, high back seats, USB charging points and is crucially far more
accessible for pupils. However, feedback from parents has indicated that luggage capacity is a
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concern of theirs. The operator is currently getting quotes for the installation of additional luggage
racking on these vehicles. 
Updates on all of the above will be given to the next Cowal Transport Forum in the new year. If there
are any queries or feedback on the above points, then please do not hesitate to let me know. 
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