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Minute of Meeting of Perth and Kinross Council of 4 September 2024 for Approval

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PERTH AND KINROSS COUNCIL 
Minute of hybrid meeting of Perth and Kinross Council held in the Council Chamber,
2 High Street, Perth on Wednesday 4 September 2024 at 9.30am. 
Present: Provost X McDade, Depute Provost A Parrott, Bailies C Ahern, A Bailey,
R Brock, C McLaren and M Williamson, Councillors K Allan, H Anderson L Barrett,
P Barrett, B Brawn, S Carr, A Chan, D Cuthbert, S Donaldson, E Drysdale, J Duff,
A Forbes, M Frampton, N Freshwater, K Harvey, D Illingworth, I James, N Khogali,
G Laing, I MacPherson, I Massie, S McCole, T McEwan, J Rebbeck, W Robertson,
C Shiers, F Smith, C Stewart, G Stewart, R Watters and J Welch. 
In Attendance: T Glen, Chief Executive; C Mailer, Director – Strategy, People and
Resources; L Simpson, Strategic Lead – Legal and Governance; D Littlejohn
Strategic Lead – Economy, Development and Planning; S Crawford Strategic Lead –
Property Services; S Walker Strategic Lead – Finance and Business Support; 
E Ritchie, Strategic Lead – Housing and Communities; J Pepper, Chief Officer,
Health and Social Care Partnership; A Farnington, S MacDonald, K Fleming, N
Moran, J Fyfe, S Hendry, G Fogg, S Morkis, L Potter, A Brown and M Pasternak (all
Strategy, People and Resources). 
Also in Attendance: W Purdie (The Urbanists) (up to Item 6), P Cromwell (Live Active
Leisure), N Scott (Integratis Consulting) 
Provost X McDade, Presiding. 
1. WELCOME AND APOLOGIES 
Provost McDade welcomed all those present to the meeting. 
2.  DECLARATIONS OF INTEREST 
In terms of the Councillors’ Code of Conduct, Councillors Brawn and Carr and
Bailie McLaren declared a connection in relation to Item 6 on the agenda. 
3. DEPUTATIONS 
The Council resolved to hear deputations in relation to part 2 of Item 6 on the
agenda. 
4. MINUTE OF MEETING OF PERTH AND KINROSS COUNCIL OF 26 JUNE
2024 FOR APPROVAL 
The minute of meeting of Perth and Kinross Council of 26 June 2024 was
submitted and approved as a correct record.

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5. MOTION ON UK SUCCESS AT 2024 PARIS OLYMPICS 
Motion by Councillors B Brawn and K Allan
To Congratulate Team GB on its success at the Paris Olympics
That this Council recognises the success of the British Olympic Team - Team
GB - and sends our wholehearted congratulations on their fantastic
achievement at gaining a tally of sixty-five medals. Their dedication and
commitment to compete and strive to win will inevitably inspire many more to
become the next generation of athletes looking to compete themselves at
world class level. 
Resolved: 
In accordance with the Motion 
6. PERTH CITY CENTRE DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN FRAMEWORK
CONSULTATION DRAFT 
There was submitted a report by Strategic Lead – Economy, Development
and Planning (24/241) seeking Council approval to commence public consultation
over the autumn on a range of development proposals and design principles that will
help drive forward the vision for Perth as one of Europe’s great small cities. This
vision is articulated in Perth 2040: Our agenda for Change produced by the former
Perth City Development Board and endorsed by the Council in December 2019
(report 19/360 refers). 
Resolved:
(i) The draft City Centre Development & Design Framework (Appendix 1)
be approved for consultation and engagement with the public and
stakeholders including the business community.
(ii) The findings of a study commissioned to inform the Framework by
assessing customer and occupier demand in Perth city centre (Appendix
2) be noted.
(iii) Officers be remitted to design and implement a consultation and
engagement programme over the autumn.
(iv) The Strategic Lead – Economy, Development & Planning to bring back a
revised version of the framework incorporating suggested changes for
further consideration along with a delivery programme. 
THERE FOLLOWED A SHORT BREAK AND THE MEETING RECONVENED AT
10.48AM.

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7. PERTH CITY INTEGRATED INVESTMENT PROPOSAL 
There was submitted a report by Strategic Lead – Property Services (24/242):  
(1) Implementing the instructions of Council in relation to :
• the future use of Pullar House in anticipation of the Public Finance
Initiative (PFI) Project Agreement coming to an end in September
2025 (Report 23/268 refers).
• a revised scope for PH2O with options for ice provision (Report
24/19 refers).
• proposals for the future use of Bell’s Sports Centre to be used as
the basis of community engagement (Report 24/151 refers).
(2) Highlighting opportunities that emerge from considering these projects
together which can help to answer some of the challenges set out in the
Perth City Plan (Perth 2040: Our Agenda for Change) (Report 19/360
refers).
(3) Setting out a series of proposals to leverage those opportunities to
create additional public value for residents, visitors and businesses. 
Note:  The Provost had confirmed that consideration of the report would be done in
two parts.  Firstly, recommendations 1 and 2 in the report would be considered and
determined prior to a recess.  Recommendations 3, 4, 5 and 6 would then be
considered and determined following the recess. 
Part 1 – There was a slide-based presentation by C Mailer and S Crawford in
relation to recommendations 1 and 2 of the report followed by questions from
members. 
Motion by Councillors G Laing and E Drysdale 
Pullar House and Kinnoull Street Multi-Storey Car Park 
Council:
Approves recommendations 1 and 2 as set out in the report, subject to
amendment 2(b) (i) to insert ‘through Car Park Trading Account’ between ‘to
purchase’ and ‘Kinnoull Street Multi-Storey Car Park’. 
Resolved:
• The content of Appendix A and the associated benefits, risks and
opportunities be noted. 
• Council commits to the creation of a Public Service Hub within
Pullar House.

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• Officers be authorised:  
(i)  to exercise the Council’s right under the terms of the PFI
Project Agreement to purchase Pullar House at market value
upon termination of the lease agreement;
(ii)  to negotiate “market value” with the landlord based on the
valuations obtained by the parties, failing which to accept the
market valuation as determined by an independent arbiter in
accordance with the Dispute Resolution provisions within the
PFI Project Agreement; and to proceed to purchase at that
price; 
• Officers be instructed to negotiate and agree lease terms with
partners for accommodation within Pullar House on an open-
book, cost sharing basis. 
• Capital funding of £10m for the Pullar House workstream as set
out in Appendix A be approved. 
• The content of Appendix B and the associated benefits, risks and
opportunities be noted. 
• Officers be authorised: 
(i)  to exercise the Council’s right under the terms of the PFI
Project Agreement to purchase through the Car Park Trading
Account Kinnoull Street Multi-Storey Car Park (MSCP) at
market value upon termination of the lease agreement;
(ii)  to negotiate “market value” with the landlord based on the
valuations obtained by the parties, failing which to accept the
market valuation as determined by an independent arbiter in
accordance with the dispute resolution provisions within the
PFI Project Agreement; and to proceed to purchase at that
price. 
THERE FOLLOWED A RECESS FOR LUNCH AND THE MEETING RECONVENED
AT 1.05PM. 
Mr David Hay, Mr Arran Thomson, Ms Laura Watt and Mr Alan Hannah addressed
Council and answered Members’ questions. 
Part 2 – S Crawford continued with his slide-based presentation in relation to
recommendations 3, 4, 5 and 6 in the report followed by questions from members.

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Following a question and request from Councillor Laing, T Glen, Chief Executive
confirmed the following:
• If the decision is taken to proceed with the Thimblerow development, elected
members will have early sight on the changes to parking utilisation as a result
of the development, and officers will commit to monitoring the usage of all
Perth city centre car parks including repeating the counting process every six
months during the build and when Pullar House is being filled so that there is
a moving understanding of what the car parking requirements are going to be. 
If at any time there is a break-even situation or demand looks like it is going to
exceed the overall availability of car parking spaces in the city centre, officers
will bring proposals back to elected members for identifying additional options
for car parking. 
THERE FOLLOWED A SHORT BREAK AND THE MEETING RECONVENED
AT 4.00PM. 
Motion by Councillors G Laing and I MacPherson 
PH20, PLP/Dewars, Housing and Bell’s Sports Centre.
Council:
Approves recommendations 3-6 as set out in the report, subject to the
deletion of recommendations 4(b) and 5(b) and replacement with:
4(b) Agree that 150 new social and/or affordable homes should be developed
on the existing Perth Leisure Pool (PLP) site, upon completion of the PH2O
facility.
5(b) Approves Option K as the preferred option for Dewars Centre and the
delivery of ice facilities in Perth city and instructs officers to undertake further
engagement with local and national curling bodies and other interested
community groups to explore interest in leasing the building on a full repairing
and insuring basis for a user-led ice sports facility upon completion of PH2O.
Council further:
3(c) Instructs officers, as part of the next stage of design work, to explore
options and costs of adding leisure water to the PH2O base case within the
available footprint at Thimblerow.

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First Amendment by Bailie A Bailey and Councillor J Duff
Council agrees the recommendations 3-6 (inclusive) of the report with the
following exceptions:
Replace text at 3(b) with:
(i) Reaffirms the Councils desire to include a leisure pool and ice facility as
part of the new PH2O build. Requests officers to provide detailed revenue
and capital costs for the adjusted base case facilities mix at Glover
Street/Glasgow Road to a future Council meeting.
(ii)(a) Replace the swimming pool specification in the base case facilities mix
to include –
o Leisure Pool (with a guide specification of two flumes, wave machine,
lazy river);
o 25m 6 Lane Flexi Pool (Moveable Floor);
o 12.5m x 8.5m Teaching Pool (Movable Floor);
with the revised base case to be delivered within the existing £90m allocation
set aside within the capital budget for the PH2O project.
(b) Requests officers provide costings for the inclusion of low-level diving
boards in the Flexi Pool:
• 1m & 3m Springboards
• 3m + 5m Dive Platforms
(iii) Requests officers to provide costings for the inclusion of four squash
courts at the new PH2O facility to replace those formerly provided at Bells
Sports Centre.
(iv)Remits Council Officers to work with ice sports community representatives
on revenue and capital costs for the following additional ice options:
(a) a new multi-sport ice pad (that can flexibly be used for curling, skating or
ice hockey) with arena seating included within the PH2O design (benefitting
from the heat exchanger with swimming pool) and owned by Perth & Kinross
Council;
(b) a Community Asset Transfer of the Dewars Centre site to the ice sports
community on long-term lease or full ownership next to the new PH2O
facility (benefitting from the heat exchanger with PH2O swimming pool) to
provide a third-party ice facility.
(v)Remits Council Officers/Live Active Leisure to explore sponsorship
opportunities/grant funding support for the new PH2O facility or parts of the
building such as the ice arena.

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(vi)Requests detailed advice from officers regarding:
1. options to build the new PH2O facility on part of the car park at the
Glover Street whilst maintaining operations at Perth Leisure Pool and
Dewars Centre and if this is not possible then provide options for
alternative provision of displaced services e.g. ice.
2. the possibility of a design that would give the building a sixty plus year
lifespan which can be refurbished rather than replaced in the future to
reduce long term costs and whether it is possible to design a layout
that will allow a phased refurbishment of the building in the future
without closure of all facilities at the same time e.g. separate pool halls
for Leisure Pool and Flexi Pool to maintain partial service during any
future refurbishment or repairs;
3. the additional capital costs and revenue savings of building the new
PH2O to Passivhaus standards and the merits/demerits of a
Passivhaus build;
4. any relevant lessons that have been learned from the issues
experienced by other new build swimming pool/ice
complex/construction projects that have experienced major issues.
Delete 4 b) and replace with “The future use of the Thimblerow site will be
consulted upon in line with the City Centre Design and Development
Framework”
Delete 5 b) 
Second Amendment by Councillors P Barrett and L Barrett 
Council approves recommendations 3-6 in all parts except to delete 4(b) and
replace as follows: 
4(b) Agrees that that the existing Perth Leisure Pool (PLP) site is developed
for circa 150 social and/or affordable homes upon completion of the
PH2O facility. 
Council further 
4(c)   Approves exploration of the alternative option for Ice with Perth, Scottish
and or World Curling as set out in para 7.2 including realistic timescales
and milestones for their interest to achieve fruition during the
construction phase of PH20.
and 
4(d)  Agrees the next steps as set out in Appendix C in relation to leisure
water facilities and in addition instructs officers to explore with LAL what
additional leisure water facilities can be incorporated within the current
proposed building footprint which achieve Passiv standards and are

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sustainable in respect of both capital and revenue costs. 
Note:  The mover and seconder of the motion agreed to incorporate the second
amendment into the motion.
The first amendment therefore became the substantive amendment. 
In terms of Standing Order 21.5, a roll call vote was taken.
20 members voted for the Motion as follows:
Depute Provost A Parrott, Bailies C McLaren and M Williamson, L Barrett, P Barrett,
S Carr, S Donaldson, E Drysdale, M Frampton, K Harvey, G Laing, I MacPherson, I
Massie, McCole, McEwan, Rebbeck, Robertson, G Stewart, R Watters and J Welch.
18 Members voted for the Amendment as follows:
Provost X McDade, Bailies C Ahern, A Bailey and R Brock, Councillors K Allan, H
Anderson, B Brawn, A Chan, D Cuthbert, J Duff, A Forbes, N Freshwater, D
Illingworth, I James, N Khogali, C Shiers, F Smith and C Stewart. 
Resolved:
• The content of Appendix C and the associated benefits, risks and
opportunities be noted. 
• Thimblerow be approved as the site for the construction of the new 
PH2O facility for the approved base case facilities mix. 
• The content of Appendix D and the associated benefits, risks and
opportunities associated with integrated investment proposal be noted.
• It be agreed that the existing Perth Leisure Pool (PLP) site is developed
for circa 150 social and/or affordable homes upon completion of the
PH2O facility. 
• The next steps as set out in Appendix C in relation to leisure water
facilities be agreed.  In addition, officers be instructed as part of the next
stage of the design work to explore with LAL what additional leisure
water facilities can be incorporated within the current proposed building
footprint which achieve Passiv standards and are sustainable in respect
of both capital and revenue costs.   
• The content of Appendix E and the associated benefits, risks and
opportunities be noted.

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• Option K be approved as the preferred option for Dewars Centre and the
delivery of ice facilities in Perth city, and officers be instructed to
undertake further engagement with local, national and/or world curling
bodies and other interested community groups to explore interest in
leasing the building on a full repairing and insuring basis for a user-led
ice sports facility upon completion of PH2O, including realistic
timescales and milestones for their interest to achieve fruition during
the construction phase. 
• The content of Appendix F and the associated benefits, risks and
opportunities be noted. 
• Council to seek the views of the community in relation to the
repurposing of Bell’s Sports Centre for future use as an unheated multi-
use sports pitches/ events space. 
8.  APPOINTMENTS TO COMMITTEES/OUTSIDE BODIES 
• Bailie M Williamson to replace Councillor J Welch on the Tayside
Valuation Joint Board.
• Councillor G Stewart to replace Councillor E Drysdale as a proxy
member for the Perth and Kinross Integration Joint Board. 
9. ELECTED MEMBERS BRIEFING NOTES 
Resolved:
The Elected Members Briefing Notes, issued since the previous Council
meeting and as set out on the agenda, be noted.