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5(i)(d) 
LRB-2024-40 
LRB-2024-40
23/01610/FLL – Demolition of buildings and erection of 3
agricultural buildings, formation of hardstanding and
associated works, The Castle Farm, Methven, Perth, PH1
3SU 
FURTHER INFORMATION 
 DPEA Decision Notice, issued 27 November 2024
 Comments from Planning regarding DPEA decision notice,
dated 18 December 2024
 Comments from Applicant following comments from Planning,
date 10 January 2025

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Planning and Environmental Appeals Division
Hadrian House, Callendar Business Park, Falkirk, FK1 1XR
E: dpea@gov.scot                                     T: 0300 244 6668
Planning (Listed Building and Conservation Areas)
(Scotland) Act 1997
Appeal Decision Notice
 
Decision 
I dismiss the appeal and refuse listed building consent. 
Preliminary 
There are differences between the descriptions of development used in submissions. I am
using the council’s decision notice description, which adequately describes the
development to be considered under this appeal. A related application for planning
permission including the erection of three agricultural buildings is being considered by the
council’s Local Review Body. 
Reasoning 
1. This appeal concerns the demolition of category A listed, by curtilage, steading
buildings. Section 14(2) of the Planning (Listed Buildings and Conservation Areas)
(Scotland) Act 1997 (as amended) (the ‘act’) requires me to have special regard to the
desirability of preserving the building or its setting or any features of special architectural or
historic interest which it possesses. Accordingly, the determining issue in this appeal is
whether there is justification for the demolition of the listed building, despite that this would
not preserve the building and its features of special architectural or historic interest. 
2. The steading is a mix of historic and more recent buildings set between Methven
Castle, residential buildings and farmland. 
3.  Although Section 25 of the Town and Country Planning (Scotland) Act does not
apply, parties have referred to national and local policy and guidance, and I have taken
these into account in my assessment. Historic Environment Scotland (HES) Historic
Environment Policy for Scotland (HEPS) is for the understanding, protection and 
Decision by Simon Bonsall, a Reporter appointed by the Scottish Ministers 
• Listed building consent appeal reference: LBA-340-2036
• Site address: The Castle Farm, Methven, Perth, PH1 3SU
• Appeal by David Gane, H C Pilkington Trust, against the decision by Perth and Kinross
Council (‘the council’)
• Application for listed building consent 23/01611/LBC submitted 26 September 2023,
refused by notice dated 6 June 2024
• The works proposed: demolition of buildings
• Date of site visit by Reporter: 24 October 2024 
Date of appeal decision: 27 November 2024

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enhancement of the historic environment with unavoidable detrimental impact minimised.
This is reflected by National Planning Framework 4 (NPF4) policy 7, which includes that
potentially significant impacts on historic assets should be supported by an assessment of
those based on an understanding of the significance of the asset or place. Policy 7(b) does
not support demolition except where exceptional circumstances are demonstrated and
reasonable effort has been made to retain, reuse and/or adapt the building. Four
considerations are set out to demonstrate this: (i) building is no longer of special interest;
(ii) building is incapable of physical repair and re-use; (iii) repair is not economically viable
and adequate marketing for a reasonable period has been undertaken; and (iv) demolition
is essential to deliver significant benefits to economic growth or the community. 
4. These considerations are reflected in the Perth and Kinross Council Local
Development Plan 2 (LDP2) policy 27B and the HES Managing Change in the Historic
Environment: Demolition of Listed Buildings guidance (the ‘HES guidance’). I address the
four considerations below. 
Is the building no longer of special interest? 
5. The council refers to the steading as a curtilage listed building, which the appellant
says was not identified in the pre-application response. I note the statutory listing does not
describe the steading but that HES consider that the steading is listed. Given this and that a
case has not been made that the steading should not be considered to be listed, I do not
consider this matter further. 
6. The appellant says that only parts of the steading are of interest, given the poor state
of the buildings and that deterioration continues. 
7.  I consider the special interest to be in particular the historic form of the buildings.
HES evidence identifies that the plan form and materials contribute to the special interest
and I agree. I am satisfied that the historic ‘L’ plan form of outer buildings is currently
legible. I consider the age of the buildings, creating the historic plan form, support a strong
setting relationship with the castle, highlighting the historic working agricultural nature of this
part of the estate. I observed the courtyard has been infilled by buildings over different
periods of time, using different materials. I consider the more modern buildings and
materials do not always positively contribute to the historical context of the older buildings,
but they do represent a story of more modern farming practice. The oldest stone buildings
infilling the courtyard appear to include buildings for housing animals and storage. There is
a two storey building in partial collapse that has more domestic features. I observed that the
stone buildings frequently contain historic architectural details that reveal the approach to
construction, including the stonework, wooden joinery and ironmongery. This forms part of
the historic character of the steading. I consider that the current condition and appearance
of the buildings does not significantly erode their special interest. 
8. Given that complete demolition is proposed, this would be a significant impact on the
steading. I agree with the council that an assessment of the impact based on an
understanding of the cultural significance of the steading and/or the place has not been
provided, contrary to NPF4 policy 7(a). The design statement for the planning application
identifies the appellant’s view that there isn’t an impact on the garden and designed
landscape designation but does not provide detail beyond visual amenity to support that.
Had I been minded to allow the appeal I would have sought further assessment about these
factors.

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9.  I agree with the council and HES, and find that the steading remains of special
interest, in particular the older buildings that create the most historic character. 
Is the building incapable of physical repair and re-use? 
10. The parties disagree on whether the condition of the buildings means they are
incapable of repair and re-use. The appellant’s Structural Condition Assessment (the
‘Structural Assessment’) says that the steading is ‘beyond viable economic repair’ and is a
health and safety risk. However, economic viability is not a factor when considering whether
the buildings are capable of repair. The issues the Structural Assessment identifies include:
rotting timbers; roof failings and areas of collapse; poor or missing rainwater goods; poor
mortar; and some localised masonry failures. The Structural Assessment does not indicate
that no original material can be saved or that complete reconstruction would be needed,
which I consider means meaningful repair is not ruled out for the buildings. I note that
assumptions used in the appellant’s Feasibility Report include the complete roof
replacement for retained buildings. For buildings 5 and 9 (as identified by the Structural
Assessment) the roof appears to be the main structure and has partially collapsed. For both
of these buildings, in particular building 9, I consider it reasonable to question whether
meaningful repair is possible. 
11. I find that the evidence does not clearly demonstrate that most of the buildings are
incapable of meaningful physical repair. The lesser potential for meaningful repair of
buildings 5 and 9 does not outweigh my overall finding. 
12. The appellant, supported by the Agricultural Justification Statement, says that the
scale of the current buildings is unsuitable for the farm operation and modern machinery.
The appellant finds an ongoing horse stabling use unviable due to building condition.
However, as that is a point about the building condition not its nature or form, the use could
be viable if the condition of the buildings were improved. No comparison has been provided
about the potential area for storage or cattle within the existing steading if repaired,
compared to the units proposed as replacement. The appellant considers the location of the
steading suitable for agricultural use, in support of demolition. However, I find the location
could also support retention of the buildings in agricultural use. Given that the steading
includes a mix of building types and ages I do not find that complete demolition is the only
way in which modern machinery could be accommodated. 
13. The agent’s letter to the council dated 18 April 2024 (the ‘agent’s letter’) presents
professional advice about alternative uses. This does not clearly demonstrate that the
buildings are incapable of physical re-use and the appellant’s Feasibility Study considers
options where six buildings are retained (with replacement roofs). 
14. I find the evidence does not clearly demonstrate that most of the buildings are
incapable of re-use. 
Is repair not economically viable and has adequate marketing been undertaken? 
15. The Structural Assessment opinion that repair is not economically viable, is
contested by the council and HES who seek a fuller break down of costs as well as current
and projected values. 
16. Contrary to the position set out in the agent’s letter that private residential use is not
compatible with the farm operation, I find the presence of near-by houses, albeit some of
which I consider will include farm worker households, means that residential use could be

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made compatible with the farm operation. The agent’s letter says commercial use is not
compatible with the farm operation and would be impacted by it. The ‘hidden location’ of the
site and inadequacy of the access track for commercial vehicles are identified as limitations
on the appeal for commercial uses. I consider that not all businesses would require a highly
visible location accessible by commercial vehicles of scale. Furthermore, the evidence has
not demonstrated that it is not possible to mitigate the impact of alternative uses on farm
operations. 
17. The Feasibility Report considers two scenarios for alternative uses and provides
indicative costings. The agent’s letter includes advice about indicative potential end values
for residential use. Notwithstanding the indicative nature of the costings and values given,
the residential scenario suggests there may not be a conservation deficit for residential use.
Insufficient evidence is available for me to form a view on the likelihood of a conservation
deficit for commercial use. 
18. The alternative scenarios presented have not been tested through marketing
activities that would establish if there is a restoring purchaser. I do not consider the need for
this is overcome by the professional advice provided about the alternatives. 
19. In light of the above, I find that the appellant has not taken all reasonable efforts to
adequately demonstrate that it would not be economically viable to repair some or all of the
buildings and that no alternative use can be found. 
Is demolition essential to deliver significant economic or community benefits? 
20. The appellant says that the demolition and new agricultural buildings support the
farm’s viability and contribution to the local economy, referring to NPF4 policy 29 on rural
diversification, which supports development contributing to farm viability. The appellant also
highlights the health and safety risk identified by the Structural Assessment. The council
and HES say the appellant has not made a case that suggests this consideration would
apply to the proposal. 
21. I find that the submissions do not clearly demonstrate a significant economic benefit
beyond the farm operation. I am satisfied that the evidence and my site visit confirm that a
health and safety risk is present, although the evidence does not explore the nature and
degree of risk. I consider the risk would be linked to further failure of building structures
injuring people on-site. Access to the site is largely unrestricted and it is adjacent to a core
path. Although I consider it unlikely that a significant number of people, who may be from
the local community, would be put at risk at any one time, injury to an individual could be
significant to them. Nevertheless, as the evidence does not include other options to address
the risk, I consider that demolition has not been sufficiently demonstrated to be the only
means to address it. 
22. I find the evidence does not demonstrate the demolition would provide significant
economic or community benefits. 
23. Overall, I find that the evidence is not sufficient to demonstrate exceptional
circumstances for demolition under any of the four considerations. Therefore, the proposal
would not be in line with the development plan, HEPS, or the HES guidance.

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Other matters 
24. While the current state of the appeal buildings does to some extent detract from the
setting of Methven Castle when viewed from the north and east, this is mitigated by the
largely intact roofs of buildings at the edge of the steading group. From other directions the
steadings are partially screened by trees and buildings that are not part of the proposal.
I find that the setting of Methven Castle would not be so significantly visually improved by
the demolition to justify overturning my conclusion on the four considerations above. 
25. I have not attached weight to the brownfield land issue raised by the appellant as
that would be a matter for the related planning application. 
Conclusion 
26. For the reasons set out above, I find that exceptional circumstances for demolition of
the steading have not been adequately demonstrated and that its demolition would not
preserve the listed building or its setting. I have considered all other relevant matters raised
but find none that would alter my conclusion. I therefore dismiss the appeal. 
Simon Bonsall
Reporter

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Audrey Brown
From: Jody Blake
Sent: 18 December 2024 15:25
To: Audrey Brown
Cc: Paul Williamson; Christine McLaren
Subject: FW: LRB-2024-40 23/01610/FLL The Castle Farm, Methven
Attachments: 20241203 Planning (40).pdf; LBA-340-2036 Decision Notice - dated 27 November
2024.pdf
Importance: High
I refer to the above application which is currently with the LRB and has recently been deferred to await the
outcome of an associated Listed Building Consent appeal to the Scottish Government Department of
Environmental Appeals (DPEA) for the demolition of the curtilage listed steading buildings to the Category A
Methven Castle.  As noted from the attached decision notice the DPEA has dismissed the appeal for the
demolition of the steading buildings and therefore listed building consent has been refused. The DPEA
Reporter concluded “…I find that exceptional circumstances for demolition of the steading have not been
adequately demonstrated and that its demolition would not preserve the listed building or its setting”.
The planning application which is currently with the LRB for the erection of 3 agricultural buildings relies on the
demolition of the curtilage listed steading buildings to accommodate the development as is noted on the
submitted plans.  As listed building consent for the demolition of the steading buildings have been refused it is
not possible to develop the agricultural sheds as proposed.  It is considered to be important to point this fact
out to members of the LRB. 
I trust the above provides the view of the Planning Authority on this matter and that members of the LRB can be
informed of the above.
Should you require anything further please let me know.
Regards
Jody Blake
Conservation Oicer (Local Developments)
Perth & Kinross Council

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We respond to LRB-2024-40, a written submission by Jody Blake. 
The dismissal of the appeal to the Scottish Government over Methven Castle
steadings’ demolition and redevelopment is disappointing. The Reporter’s views are
frustrating because the applicant lacks a “right of reply” to the report’s errors and
misunderstandings. 
The inability to replace essential equipment has significantly impacted the Tenants’
family farming business during a challenging agricultural transition. The buildings are
considered liabilities and dangers to those around them. The notion of restoring them
while meeting modern animal health and veterinary requirements is unrealistic and
shows a lack of understanding of stock handling and farming practices. 
We can say with a high degree that the building will continue to decline, and will be a
significant risk to the tenant, his family and the general public. There is no economic
use for these buildings nor any economic viable alternative. 
We clarified in applications and appeal statements: 
•  Temporary building use at another location is being taken back to facilitate a
significant Perth Local Development Plan allocation at Almond Valley.
•  The applicant explored options to retain the historic buildings but found none,
so they’ll inevitably degrade as no viable alternatives exist.
•  The new farm building site is appropriate given the agricultural setting, designed
and scaled to fit the area’s character and meet today’s farming needs.  
It’s important to highlight this to LRB members. 
Kind regards 
Jonathan Henson, Trustee
HC Pilkington Trust

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