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Minute of meeting of 30 January 2023

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LICENSING COMMITTEE 
Minute of hybrid meeting of the Licensing Committee held in the Council Chambers,
2 High Street, Perth on Monday 30 January 2023 at 1.00pm. 
Present: Bailies C Ahern and M Williamson, Councillors K Allan, H Anderson,
M Frampton (substituting for S Carr), K Harvey, I Massie (substituting for
E Drysdale), I MacPherson, W Robertson and G Stewart. 
In Attendance: A Taylor, A Brown, M Pasternak, R Ramsay, S McQueen and
S Michie (all Corporate and Democratic Services), D Smith and J Allan (both Police
Scotland). 
Apologies for Absence: Bailie R Brock, Councillors S Carr, E Drysdale, D Illingworth
and C Reid. 
Bailie M Williamson, Convener, Presiding. 
1. WELCOME AND APOLOGIES 
The Convener welcomed all present to the meeting.  Apologies for absence
were noted as above. 
2. DECLARATIONS OF INTEREST 
In terms of Councillors’ Code of Conduct, Bailie Ahern declared a non-
financial interest in Item P7 and Councillor Frampton declared a non-financial
interest in Item P2. 
3. MINUTES 
The Minutes of Meeting of the Licensing Committee of 14 December 2022
were submitted and approved as a correct record. 
4.  MATERIAL CHANGE IN CIRCUMSTANCES – TAXI OPERATOR LICENCE
– TO1 
There was submitted a report by the Head of Legal and Governance Services
(23/16) together with application form, in relation to the Material Change in
Circumstances of Taxi Operator Licence TO1. 
The applicant attended the meeting, addressed the Committee, and answered
Members’ questions. 
FOLLOWING A SHORT ADJOURNMENT, THE COMMITTEE RECONVENED. 
Resolved: 
Application for a Material Change in Circumstances of Taxi Operator Licence
TO1, be refused, on the grounds that not insufficient evidence has been provided to
warrant a departure from the Council’s current Policy.

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5.  MATERIAL CHANGE IN CIRCUMSTANCES – TAXI OPERATOR LICENCE
– TO127 
There was submitted a report by the Head of Legal and Governance Services
(23/17) together with application form, in relation to the Material Change in
Circumstances of Taxi Operator Licence TO127. 
The applicant attended the meeting, addressed the Committee, and answered
Members’ questions. 
FOLLOWING A SHORT ADJOURNMENT, THE COMMITTEE RECONVENED. 
Resolved: 
Application for a Material Change in Circumstances of Taxi Operator Licence
TO127, be refused, on the grounds that not insufficient evidence has been provided
to warrant a departure from the Council’s current Policy. 
6.  MATERIAL CHANGE IN CIRCUMSTANCES – PRIVATE HIRE OPERATOR
LICENCE – PH336 
There was submitted a report by the Head of Legal and Governance Services
(23/18) together with application form, in relation to the Material Change in
Circumstances of Private Hire Operator Licence PH336. 
Due to technical difficulties, the applicant was unable to join the meeting
virtually.  It was decided to go ahead and with the application.  The Licensing
Standards Officer contacted the applicant by telephone, where he was offered the
opportunity to add anything further to his written submissions, he declined to add
anything further and confirmed he was happy for the application to be heard on this
basis. 
Resolved: 
Application for a Material Change in Circumstances of Private Hire Operator
Licence PH336, be refused, on the grounds that not insufficient evidence has been
provided to warrant a departure from the Council’s current Policy. 
IT WAS AGREED THAT THE PUBLIC AND PRESS SHOULD BE EXCLUDED
DURING CONSIDERATION OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS IN ORDER TO AVOID
THE DISCLOSURE OF INFORMATION WHICH IS EXEMPT IN TERMS OF
SCHEDULE 7A TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT (SCOTLAND) ACT 1973. 
P1. RENEWAL OF TAXI / PRIVATE HIRE CAR DRIVER LICENCE – TD721 
There was submitted a report by the Head of Legal and Governance Services
(23/19) together with a letter of representation dated 23 November 2022 from Police
Scotland, regarding Renewal of Taxi / Private Hire Car Driver Licence No. TD721. 
The applicant was in attendance virtually.

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The representative of Police Scotland addressed the Committee and
answered Members’ questions.  The applicant also addressed the Committee and
answered Members’ questions. 
FOLLOWING A SHORT ADJOURNMENT, THE COMMITTEE RECONVENED. 
Motion (Bailie M Williamson and Councillor W Robertson) 
The application for renewal of Taxi/Private Hire Car Driver Licence No.
TD721 be granted for a period of 6-months. 
Amendment (Bailie C Ahern and Councillor K Harvey) 
The application for renewal of Taxi/Private Hire Car Driver’s Licence No.
TD721 be refused on the grounds that the applicant is not a fit and proper person to
hold a Taxi/Private Hire Car Driver Licence. 
In accordance with Standing Order 21, a roll call vote was taken. 
6 members voted for the Motion as follows:
Councillors K Allan, I Massie, I MacPherson, W Robertson, G Stewart and
Bailie M Williamson. 
4 members voted for the Amendment as follows: 
Bailie C Ahern, Councillors H Anderson, M Frampton and K Harvey. 
Resolved: 
In accordance with the Motion. 
HAVING DECLARED AN INTEREST IN THE FOLLOWING ITEM, COUNCILLOR
FRAMPTON LEFT THE MEETING AT THIS POINT. 
P2. RENEWAL OF TAXI / PRIVATE HIRE CAR DRIVER LICENCE – TD442 
There was submitted a report by the Head of Legal and Governance Services
(23/20) together with a letter of objection dated 22 November 2022 from Police
Scotland, regarding Renewal of Taxi / Private Hire Car Driver Licence No. TD442. 
The applicant was in attendance. 
The representative of Police Scotland addressed the Committee and
answered Members’ questions.  The applicant also addressed the Committee and
answered Members’ questions. 
FOLLOWING A SHORT ADJOURNMENT, THE COMMITTEE RECONVENED. 
Motion (Bailie M Williamson and Councillor K Harvey)

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The application for renewal of Taxi/Private Hire Car Driver Licence No.
TD442 be deferred to a future meeting of the Licensing Committee as soon as
possible following the applicant’s scheduled court date in April. 
Amendment (Bailie C Ahern and Councillor K Allan) 
The application for renewal of Taxi/Private Hire Car Driver’s Licence No.
TD442 be refused on the grounds that the applicant is not a fit and proper person to
hold a Taxi/Private Hire Car Driver Licence. 
In accordance with Standing Order 21, a roll call vote was taken. 
5 members voted for the Motion as follows:
Councillors H Anderson, K Harvey, I MacPherson, W Robertson and Bailie
M Williamson. 
4 members voted for the Amendment as follows: 
Bailie C Ahern, Councillors K Allan, I Massie and G Stewart. 
Resolved: 
In accordance with the Motion. 
COUNCILLOR FRAMPTON RETURNED TO THE MEETING AT THIS POINT. 
P3. GRANT OF TAXI / PRIVATE HIRE CAR DRIVER LICENCE – TD1704 
There was submitted a report by the Head of Legal and Governance Services
(23/21) together with a letter of representation dated 24 January 2023 from Police
Scotland, regarding Grant of Taxi / Private Hire Car Driver Licence No. TD1704. 
The applicant failed to attend.   
The representative of Police Scotland addressed the Committee and
answered Members’ questions. 
FOLLOWING A SHORT ADJOURNMENT, THE COMMITTEE RECONVENED. 
Motion (Bailie M Williamson and Councillor I MacPherson) 
The application for grant of Taxi/Private Hire Car Driver Licence No.
TD1704 be granted for a period of 12 months. 
Amendment (Councillor K Allan and Bailie C Ahern) 
The application for grant of Taxi/Private Hire Car Driver’s Licence No. TD1704
be refused on the grounds that the applicant is not a fit and proper person to hold a
Taxi/Private Hire Car Driver Licence. 
In accordance with Standing Order 21, a roll call vote was taken.

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6 members voted for the Motion as follows:
Councillors H Anderson, K Harvey, I Massie, I MacPherson, G Stewart and
Bailie M Williamson. 
4 members voted for the Amendment as follows: 
Bailie C Ahern, Councillors K Allan, M Frampton and W Robertson. 
Resolved: 
In accordance with the Motion. 
P4. GRANT OF TAXI / PRIVATE HIRE CAR DRIVER LICENCE – TD2182 
There was submitted a report by the Head of Legal and Governance Services
(23/22) together with a letter of representation dated 12 January 2023 from Police
Scotland, regarding Grant of Taxi / Private Hire Car Driver Licence No. TD2182. 
The applicant was in attendance. 
The representative of Police Scotland addressed the Committee and
answered Members’ questions.  The applicant also addressed the Committee and
answered Members’ questions. 
FOLLOWING A SHORT ADJOURNMENT, THE COMMITTEE RECONVENED. 
Motion (Bailie M Williamson and Councillor M Frampton) 
The application for grant of Taxi/Private Hire Car Driver Licence No.
TD2182 be granted for a period of 12 months. 
Amendment (Bailie C Ahern and Councillor H Anderson) 
The application for grant of Taxi/Private Hire Car Driver’s Licence No. TD2182
be refused on the grounds that the applicant is not a fit and proper person to hold a
Taxi/Private Hire Car Driver Licence. 
In accordance with Standing Order 21, a roll call vote was taken. 
8 members voted for the Motion as follows:
Councillors K Allan, M Frampton, K Harvey, I Massie, I MacPherson,
W Robertson, G Stewart and Bailie M Williamson. 
2 members voted for the Amendment as follows: 
Bailie C Ahern and Councillor H Anderson. 
Resolved: 
In accordance with the Motion.

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P5. GRANT OF TAXI/PRIVATE HIRE CAR DRIVER LICENCE – TD2162 
Due to Police Scotland withdrawing their letter of representation, this item was
subsequently withdrawn from consideration. 
P6. GRANT OF TAXI / PRIVATE HIRE CAR DRIVER LICENCE – TD2174 
There was submitted a report by the Head of Legal and Governance Services
(23/24) together with a letter of representation dated 14 December 2022 from Police
Scotland, regarding Grant of Taxi / Private Hire Car Driver Licence No. TD2174. 
The applicant was in attendance. 
The representative of Police Scotland addressed the Committee and
answered Members’ questions.  The applicant also addressed the Committee and
answered Members’ questions. 
FOLLOWING A SHORT ADJOURNMENT, THE COMMITTEE RECONVENED. 
Resolved:
The application for grant of Taxi/Private Hire Car Driver’s Licence No. TD2174
be refused on the grounds that the applicant is not a fit and proper person to hold a
Taxi/Private Hire Car Driver Licence. 
HAVING DECLARED AN INTEREST IN THE FOLLOWING ITEM, BAILIE AHERN
LEFT THE MEETING AT THIS POINT. 
P7. GRANT OF TAXI / PRIVATE HIRE CAR DRIVER LICENCE – TD1267 
There was submitted a report by the Head of Legal and Governance Services
(23/25) together with a letter of objection dated 13 December 2022 from Police
Scotland, regarding Grant of Taxi / Private Hire Car Driver Licence No. TD1267. 
The applicant was in attendance. 
The representative of Police Scotland addressed the Committee and
answered Members’ questions.  The applicant also addressed the Committee and
answered Members’ questions. 
FOLLOWING A SHORT ADJOURNMENT, THE COMMITTEE RECONVENED. 
Resolved:
The application for grant of Taxi/Private Hire Car Driver Licence No. TD1267
be granted for a period of 12 months.