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Minute of meeting of the Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff of 12 June 2023 for noting

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JOINT NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE FOR TEACHING STAFF 
Minute of hybrid meeting of the Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff
(JNCT) held in the Council Chambers, 2 High Street, Perth on Tuesday 12 June
2023 at 2.30pm. 
Present: Representing Perth and Kinross Council 
Councillors J Rebbeck and C Shiers; S Devlin, S Johnston,
L Gordon, J Donnelly, G Doogan and D Macluskey (all
Education and Children’s Services); P Johnstone (Corporate
and Democratic Services). 
Representing Teachers’ Associations
L Gibb, L.J. Grant, M Laurie, J Leslie, C Rose, M Taylor and
C Weston (all EIS); M Mackie (SSTA). 
In Attendance: L Byrne and C Guild (Corporate and Democratic Services);
A McAuley, Joint Secretary (Teachers’ Side); D Williams for
Joint Secretary (Management Side). 
Apologies: Councillor S Carr; S Dowling; S Topen-Cooper. 
M Laurie, Convener, Presiding. 
1. APOLOGIES FOR ABSENCE 
Apologies for absence were submitted and noted as above. 
2. DECLARATIONS OF INTEREST (ELECTED MEMBERS ONLY) 
There were no declarations of interest made in terms of the Councillors’ Code
of Conduct. 
3.  MINUTES 
The minute of meeting of the Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff
of 27 March 2023 was submitted and approved as a correct record. 
4. MATTERS ARISING 
There were no matters arising from the previous minutes. 
5. TEACHERS’ AGREEMENT FOR THE 21ST CENTURY 
There was submitted the Teacher’s Agreement for the 21st Century, Guidance
to Schools for Session 2023-24 (G/23/71). 
G Doogan advised that a copy of the Guidance would be circulated to
schools, along with any supporting comments, following the meeting and

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support and training would be provided where necessary. C Weston intimated
that she would be happy to be involved. 
Resolved 
The Committee noted the contents of G/23/71. 
6. UPDATE ON STAFFING EXERCISE 
S Johnston led on a verbal update to the Committee regarding the staffing
exercise. 
S Johnston advised that the pupil population had changed this year, which
had impacted on the exercise and led to a reduction in ten classes across
primary schools. S Johnston also advised that there had been a rise in the
number of children with complex needs going into P1, and additional staffing
and training have been provided. Additional teams which included Educational
Psychologists and speech and language specialists were being provided
along with some outreach. 
S Johnston advised that pilot projects had been undertaken with regards to
Early Learning Centres and wraparound care, and advised that an outdoor
nursery was opening up at Westbank. S Johnston further advised that the
Council had been successful in bidding for the Whole Family Wellbeing fund,
meaning that parenting and family support could be offered to parents of older
children. 
With specific regards to the primary sector, S Johnston advised that 30
probationers had been taken on during the school year, and that the intention
was to take on as many as possible in permanent roles in Perth and Kinross
schools. P Johnstone confirmed allocation that 30 probationers had been in
place in the primary sector and a further 15 in the secondary sector. With
specific regards to the secondary sector, S Johnston advised that many roles
which had been traditionally difficult to fill had been filled through the year. 
S Johnston advised that there had been an increase in the numbers of
teachers for those with Additional Support Needs, and there was a plan in
place to provide training for HI/VI teachers. She added that there was a rolling
advert in place constantly for Pupil Support Assistants and were looking to
fund additional training and role progression. Also, a Modern Apprentice
Scheme was being explored to attract young people. 
C Weston commented that she felt the additional teams for P1 were a really
welcome development, and added that she would welcome feedback on the
pilot projects looking at wrap around care in Inchview and Pitlochry as well as
learning more about the Modern Apprentice Scheme. 
Councillor Rebbeck commented that he felt there was a number of very
positive initiatives.

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M Mackie echoed the comments made by others, and queried whether it
would be possible to ring fence strike money for further training. S Devlin
advised that this would be through the Council’s Finance and Resources
Committee, and that the relevant reports would be circulated to members
following the meeting. 
7. VIV UP PRESENTATION ON NEW EMPLOYEE BENEFITS PLATFORM 
The Committee received a presentation from L Byrne on the new Employee
Benefits Platform recently rolled-out by Perth and Kinross Council. 
In presenting, L Byrne advised that this new platform was to make all
employee benefits available in one place and advised that the platform would
grow over time. L Byrne demonstrated the website to those in attendance. 
In response to a query from L Gibb regarding Counselling services available
to Council employees, L Byrne advised that it remained that there would be
six sessions available on any one issue via the benefits platform and MyCare.
P Johnstone further advised that employees could also be referred by their
manager to counselling via the Occupational Health Service (PAM) and that
there was also the Able Futures counselling via DWP. 
8. EMPLOYEE SURVEY – CONSULTATION ON WHAT COULD BE
INCLUDED 
The Committee received a presentation from C Guild regarding the employee
survey and consultation on what could be included. 
In presenting, C Guild advised that all local authorities in Scotland were trying
to improve engagement with employees, and that many different approaches
were being taken. C Guild did add, however, that she was keen for the Power
BI dashboard to continue to be used. 
C Weston raised a query regarding how it was envisaged that consultation
would look with Trade Union’s moving forward, suggesting the potential for a
working group, to which C Guild agreed that a working group with Trade
Union involvement would be beneficial moving forward. 
9. SEESAW 
The Committee received a verbal update from D Macluskey regarding the See
Saw app used in schools. 
In presenting his update, D Macluskey highlighted that Seesaw had become a
popular and valuable resource during the Covid-19 Pandemic. However, D
McCluskey further advised that charges of £2000 per school were introduced
to retain all the features which were initially free of charge. Subsequently, a
district package was established, with some schools continuing to use the free
of charge version. However, the free of charge version does not fully comply
with GDPR and the Council’s obligations under GDPR. As such two new

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similar platforms to Seesaw have been identified, which will be piloted by
some schools. 
In response to a query from C Weston, D McCluskey advised that there were
presently 63 schools from across Perth and Kinross involved in the district
package of Seesaw. 
10. ANY OTHER COMPETENT BUSINESS 
There was no other competent business.