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Minute of meeting of 12 December 2022

Perth and Kinross Council · 3 May 2023
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JOINT NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE FOR TEACHING STAFF 
Minute of hybrid meeting of the Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff
(JNCT) held via Microsoft Teams on Tuesday 13 December 2022 at 2.30pm. 
Present: Representing Perth and Kinross Council 
Councillors J Rebbeck and C Shiers; S Devlin, S Johnston,
L Gordon, J Donnelly, G Doogan and D Macluskey (all
Education and Children’s Services); P Johnstone (Corporate
and Democratic Services). 
Representing Teachers’ Associations
L Gibb, L.J. Grant, M Laurie, J Leslie, C Rose, M Taylor and
C Weston (all EIS); M Mackie (SSTA). 
In Attendance: F Mackay and D Macluskey (Education & Children’s Services);
A McAuley, Joint Secretary (Teachers’ Side); D Williams for
Joint Secretary (Management Side). 
Apologies: Councillor S Carr; S Dowling; S Topen-Cooper. 
M Laurie, Convener, Presiding. 
1. APOLOGIES FOR ABSENCE 
Apologies for absence were submitted and noted as above. 
2. DECLARATIONS OF INTEREST (ELECTED MEMBERS ONLY) 
There were no declarations of interest made in terms of the Councillors’ Code
of Conduct. 
3.  MINUTES 
(i) The minute of meeting of the Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching
Staff of 14 June 2022 was submitted and approved as a correct record. 
(ii) The minute of meeting of the Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching
Staff of 20 September 2022 was submitted and approved as a correct
record. 
4. MATTERS ARISING 
There were no matters arising from the previous minutes. 
5. BUDGET UPDATE 
The committee received a verbal update from S Devlin regarding the Budget. 
In her update, S Devlin advised that this meeting of the Committee preceded
the Scottish Budget Allocation but informed the Committee that the Council’s
Budget Review Group Process was underway. S Devlin further advised that it

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was the intention that a meeting regarding the Budget would take place with
S Hope (Unison) and C Weston (EIS), as had been the case in previous
years. 
6. STAFFING REPORTING INCIDENTS OF VIOLENCE/AGGRESSION AND
INCIDENTS OF DISTRESSED/CHALLENGING BEHAVIOUR IN
EDUCATION SETTINGS. 
There was submitted a report by the Executive Director (Education and
Children’s Services) (G/22/202) providing a summary of the information
gathered in relation to incidents in schools and other educational settings
which result in an emotional or physical impact on a member of staff. The
report informs scrutiny of Education Service performance in managing and
reducing incidents of violence and aggression or distressed and challenging
behaviour that has impacted staff in the workplace. This report has also been
considered by the Employees Joint Consultative Committee. 
F MacKay advised that there was a review of the reporting of
violence/aggression and incidents of distressed/challenging behaviour in
education settings, and that cognisance had been taken that, moving forward,
it would be more appropriate for this report to be presented to the Employees
Joint Consultative Committee, in a change to present arrangements (Item 7
refers further). However, it has been agreed that the schedule of committees
would be organised so that the Teacher’s side would be able to see and make
comment on the report before it goes to the Joint Consultative committee. 
F Mackay added that, moving forward, the style of reporting would be less
focused on one term, and also added that less staff were reporting incidents. 
C Weston commented that she was pleased that the view was for teachers to
see the reporting of violence/aggression and incidents of
distressed/challenging behaviour in education settings first and added that
she welcomed the continuation of the Violence and Aggression Working
Group. 
The Committee noted the contents of Report 22/202. 
7. UPDATE ON 2023 DATES FOR JOINT NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE FOR
TEACHING STAFF 
The Committee received a verbal update from D Williams regarding dates for
the Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff for 2023. 
D Williams advised members that the dates agreed by Council on
9 November 2022 were as follows: 
27 March 2023
12 June 2023
11 September 2023
20 November 2023

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D Williams advised that it was to be proposed to Council on 21 December
2022 that the dates for the Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff for
2023 should be changed to the following: 
20 March 2023
19 June 2023
4 September 2023
27 November 2023 
The Committee were advised that these proposed changes were to ensure
that the Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff met before the
Employees Joint Consultative Committee. S Johnson stated that should
Council not approve the changes then the report would continue to come to
JNC. 
8. KING’S CORONATION 
The Committee received a verbal update from P Johnstone regarding school
public holiday arrangements around the King’s Coronation. 
P Johnstone advised members that the matter would be for Council to decide,
but the proposal to Council would include moving the existing school public
holiday scheduled for 1 May 2023 to 8 May 2023. 
The Teachers’ Side requested that the existing school public holiday
scheduled for 1 May 2023 not be moved, given that there will be staff who
have already made holiday arrangements, however they would be happy to
accept an additional day. 
9. ANY OTHER COMPETENT BUSINESS 
There was no other competent business. 
POST-MEETING NOTE 
With reference to Item 7, the proposed dates for the Joint Negotiating
Committee for Teaching Staff were not considered by Council at its meeting of
21 December 2022 and, to date, have yet to be considered by Council.