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Minute of meeting of 14 June 2022

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JOINT NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE FOR TEACHING STAFF 
Minute of virtual Annual General Meeting of the Joint Negotiating Committee for
Teaching Staff (JNCT) held via Microsoft Teams on Tuesday 14 June 2022 at
2.30pm. 
Present: Representing Perth and Kinross Council 
Councillors J Rebbeck and C Shiers; S Devlin, S Johnston,
M Donaghy, J Donnelly, G Doogan and D Macluskey (all
Education and Children’s Services); P Johnstone (Corporate
and Democratic Services). 
Representing Teachers’ Associations
L Gibb, L.J. Grant, M Laurie and C Weston (all EIS); M Mackie
(SSTA). 
In Attendance: F Mackay and K Robertson (Education & Children’s Services);
A McAuley, Joint Secretary (Teachers’ Side);  L Brown for
Joint Secretary (Management Side). 
Apologies: S Dowling and S Topen-Cooper.   
1. APPOINTMENT OF CONVENER 
Nominations for Convener were invited from the Trade Union side.  C Weston 
nominated M Laurie.  There being no other nominations, 
M Laurie was duly appointed Convener of the Joint Negotiating Committee for
Teaching Staff for a period of 2 years. 
M LAURIE, CONVENER, TOOK THE CHAIR 
2. APPOINTMENT OF VICE-CONVENER 
Nominations for Vice-Convener were invited from the Management side. 
Councillor C Shiers nominated Councillor J Rebbeck.  There being no other
nominations, Councillor Rebbeck was duly appointed Vice-Convener of the
Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff for a period of 2 years. 
3. APOLOGIES FOR ABSENCE 
Apologies for absence were submitted and noted as above. 
4. DECLARATIONS OF INTEREST (ELECTED MEMBERS ONLY) 
There were no declarations of interest made in terms of the Councillors’ Code
of Conduct. 
5.  MINUTE 
The minute of meeting of the Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff
of 22 March 2022 was submitted and approved as a correct record.

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6. MATTERS ARISING 
(i) Scottish Qualification Authority (SQA) Appeal Process Moderation
(Item 7 refers) 
D Macluskey advised that the PT Development Days held last session
on 26, 27 and 28 May 2021 had focused entirely on moderation and
support for SQA and Alternative Certification Model (ACM). Feedback
received had been positive and these days, in addition to the previous
Twlight and Subject Network day, had been seen as very beneficial in
delivering, moderating and quality assuring the ACM process. 
This session, during September 2021, at the Twlight Subject Network
Session, Subject Networks again reviewed and looked at SQA
changes, advice and necessary assessment and moderation
processes that were required for the session ahead.  The two hour
session also included time for subjects to plan for their whole day
Subject Network Day which took place on 11 November 2021.  The
day was divided into support for Broad General Education (BGE)
tracking of progress and SQA preparedness – making assessment
judgements, moderation and evidence gathering.  Activities were made
up of a mix of centre led recorded presentations and subject directed
input.  Feedback received had been positive with some further areas of
support identified as being required for some subjects. 
Through the Subject Network Teams further opportunities for SQA
support was signposted via the TRIC networks. The final twilight
session for Subject Networks took place on Tuesday 8 March and
allowed subjects an additional two hours of time to discuss, plan,
moderate and ensure necessary arrangements, assessment and
evidence was in place for learners/schools. 
D Macluskey advised that the most recent Subject Network days which
took place on 17, 18 and 19 May 2022 were used to self-evaluate both
QIs in terms of subject but also provided time for Subjects to focus on
activities and areas which they as specialists felt was most needed. 
Some Subject Networks decided to use the entire afternoon for SQA
moderating activity. 
The Committee noted the position. 
(ii) HMIe Recovery Visits to Nurseries and Schools (Item 8 refers) 
G Doogan provided a brief overview on the HMIe focused recovery
visits to nurseries and schools in Perth and Kinross.  Two early learning
and childcare (ELC) settings had already been visited with two further
ELCs scheduled to be visited in the coming weeks.   Staff had advised
the visits had been well planned and that that process had been
thorough and supportive with support being offered around further
areas for development.

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Within the school setting, three Perth and Kinross primary schools,
Kinnoull, Auchtergaven and Longforgan, had completed the self-
selection process.  Part of the selection process had included
consultation with staff and with the centre.  Each of the visits focused
around looking at how schools were addressing the impact of Covid-19
with a particular focus on continuity of learning, wellbeing of children,
young people and staff and safeguarding approaches set within the
current context.  The three Quality Improvement Officers for the
Primary Sector participated in the visits. 
Visits to the schools had been of a hybrid nature and agreed with the
school in advance.  Although some of the scoping and discussion with
the parents and staff took place virtually each of the visits had involved
some in-person element within the school. 
The inspection teams had recognised the work and effort of staff during
the lock down periods and the return to in person learning periods.  The
positives around the support for children’s health and wellbeing at that
time and the work which continued on curriculum development and
some of the work around the circle of approach had also been
recognised. The teams had also recognised that ongoing staff
professional learning had been very focused and bespoke around the
particular circumstances of Covid-19.   
High level themes emerging around particular individual school
contexts related to where to go next with some of the areas of
curriculum development, learning and teaching and use of
assessments.  Feedback from staff in schools and parents on the
process has been positive and some useful individual feedback from
schools. 
Following the visit each school is provided with a note of recovery visit
to share with staff.   QIOs were currently working alongside the
individual schools to ensure that some the feedback is incorporated
into the schools quality improvement planning for next year. 
S Johnston acknowledged the really high quality work which had
continued over the course of the pandemic.  She advised that HMIe
and Education Scotland had written to all school to inform them that
normal inspections will resume from 5 September 2022.   
The Committee noted the position. 
7. CHANGE TO MEMBERSHIP 
The following change to the membership of the Joint Negotiating Committee
for Teaching Staff was noted: 
Teachers’ side – Jen Leslie (EIS) replacing Teresa Summers (EIS)

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8. ADDITIONAL STAFFING 2022/23 BRIEFING NOTE JUNE 2022 
There was submitted a briefing note by S Johnston and G Doogan (G/22/78)
providing an update on the additional staffing coming to Perth and Kinross
Council as a result of the 100 days commitment to increasing the number of
teachers and support staff within schools and providing background
information in relation to the process of what was agreed as a collective on
the posts to be made permanent. 
S Johnston referred to the temporary funding which had been received from
Scottish Government as part of schools Covid recovery plan in 2021 and the
strategic staffing group which had been established to consider how the
temporary funding would be used.  This had resulted in some additional
training and interventions and some new roles and posts to aid Covid
recovery. 
A total of 46 permanent teachers have been employed within the Primary and
Secondary, Gaelic Medium Education and the Inclusion sectors across the
service. 
In response to a question on absence rates and cover provided by the Covid
Recovery Teachers S Johnston advised over the course of the current term
there has been more of an ability for the covid recovery teachers to undertake
supply work as covid absences had reduced in comparison to the levels
experienced between January and March 2022.   
G Doogan added that through the course of this school session some of the
covid recovery teachers employed on fixed term contracts had been
successful throughout the year in gaining fixed term or permanent contracts.
Eleven full time equivalent teachers had been recruited into the primary sector
as permanent supply across localities. S Johnston added that the permanent
supply teachers in the main would be working on supporting schools to
release staff for training on the interventions that will make a difference.  In
addition to the monies received from Scottish Government the Council had
also provided money for additional staff resulting in 11.5 teachers in
secondary schools who were permanently appointed by the Council in
addition to those detailed within the briefing note G/22/78. 
The Committee:
(i) Noted the efforts made by Education and Children’s Services to
develop a clear intervention plan for recovery during session 2021-22
which had provided good evidence of what is working to support
schools and settings to meet the needs of all children and young
people.
(ii) Noted that new roles had been trialled and evaluated during the last
academic year and that the impact of those on outcomes had been
positive.
(iii) Noted that data had shown that the need to strengthen the support for
children and young people with additional needs is a priority for
Education and Children’s Services.

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(iv) Noted that the ability to recruit permanently to those roles will provide
an increased capacity to support children, young people and families to
improve outcomes. 
9. STAFF REPORTED INCIDENTS OF DISTRESSED OR CHALLENGING
BEHAVIOUR/INCIDENTS OF VIOLENCE OR AGGRESSION –
QUARTERLY STATISTICAL REPORT – TERM 3 – 2021/22 
There was submitted a report by the Executive Director (Education &
Children’s Services) (G/22/79) providing a summary of the information
gathered in relation to incidents in schools and other educational settings
which result in an emotional or physical impact on a member of staff for the
period 6 January 2022 to 1 April 2022 (Term 3). 
Concern was expressed by the Teachers side in relation to the number of
recorded incidents, the possible culture of under reporting of incidents and a
widespread increase in low level behaviour in schools which was becoming
increasingly difficult to handle. 
In response S Devlin gave an assurance that any number of incidents of
violence or aggression was a cause for concern for the service. Although the
vast majority of young people regulated their behaviour on a daily basis she
acknowledged it would be upsetting and distressing for any young people or
staff who witnessed or were on the receiving end of incidents of challenging or
violent behaviour.  Schools were experiencing a post-covid impact on the
mental health of young people, their habits, and the way they come into
school and this was manifesting itself in some challenging behaviours. 
S Johnston added that several local authorities had looked at how Education
and Children’s Services is working and engaging with its staff in relation to the
reporting of incidents as it is not normal practice in many other Councils.  In
relation to under reporting she advised that the report only provided
information that teachers and support staff chose to report to the centre.
Management at all levels encouraged anyone who wanted to report an
incident to do so and have it dealt with.  As a result of the post-Covid-19
impact there was a need to work together with teachers, practitioners and
staff in schools to reconnect and reset the balance in standards of behaviour
in schools. 
The Committee noted the quarterly report for the period 6 January to 1 April
2022 (Term 3). 
10. PROCESS OF APPOINTMENT OF TEACHERS TO POSTS IN
DENOMINATIONAL SCHOOLS 
There was submitted a report by the Executive Director (Education and
Children’s Services) (G/22/80) recommending revisals to the process for the
appointment of teachers to posts in denominational schools which supersedes
the current Local Agreement and will be effective from 14 June 2022.

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The Committee agreed:
(i) The process for the Appointment of Teachers to Posts in
Denominational Schools as a revised Local Agreement which replaces 
the existing agreement be approved with effect from 14 June 2022. 
11.  SCHOOL TERMS AND HOLIDAY DATES 2023/2024 and 2024/2025 
There was submitted a report by the Executive Director (Education and  
Children’s Services) (G/22/81) seeking members views on proposals for the
school term and holiday dates for 2023/2024 and 2024/2025.   
K Robertson advised that the proposed scheme of dates followed the approved
pattern of dates within Perth and Kinross since 2010.  The only changes being
proposed related to the pattern of In-Service days. 
Work had been undertaken with TRIC partners seeking to better align some of
the In-Service days across the local authorities.  In addition to that Head
Teachers in Perth and Kinross had indicated that the current pattern of 
In-Service days created a significant gap as there is currently no In-Service day
in Term 4.  The length of time between the In-Service day in February and the
next one in August had also been raised.   
The Draft Scheme proposed reverting back to the pattern used previously with
In-Service days in each of the Terms.   In feedback received from Head
Teachers they recognised the need for an In-Service day in Term 4, but asked
what the that pattern of In-Service days might be in relation to retaining two In-
Service days in August.  The views of the JNCT were being sought on the
proposal in and any comment received would be considered along with the
views of Head Teachers prior to any sign off by Education and Children’s
Services Senior Management Team. 
C Weston advised the proposals were welcomed in general terms.  However, if
it was proposed to have two In-Service days in August and move one from
November she asked that consideration be given to how this will be
incorporated elsewhere within the session as Secondary School colleagues
dedicated one of those days to specific meetings and groups. 
The Committee noted the position. 
12. TEACHERS’ AGREEMENT FOR THE 21st CENTURY 
There was submitted a report on the Teachers’ Agreement for the 21st
Century for Session 2022-2023 (G/22/82). 
The Committee agreed: 
The Teachers’ Agreement for the 21st Century Guidance to Schools for
Session 2022-2023.

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13. ANY OTHER COMPETENT BUSINESS  
(i) DIVERSITY SURVEY 
P Johnstone advised of a Diversity Survey which had been undertaken
over a period of 7 weeks.  The survey had asked for information about
equality and how people identified as disabled, or as an ethnic minority
group and what they would be willing to share with the Council with a
view to obtaining a clearer picture of diversity across the organisation.
As only 11.7% of the Council population had completed the survey,
and to encourage greater engagement, more work will require to be
undertaken to identify why people may be reluctant to come forward
and share their information. 
P Johnstone advised the responses received will be analysed and
reported back to the Joint Negotiating Committee at its next meeting on
20 September 2022 along with an update on activities or actions
relating to the workforce plan which require to be refreshed beyond
2023 and the Council’s Health and Wellbeing Plan. 
The Committee noted the position. 
(ii) Venue for Future Meetings 
S Johnston sought members views on a return to in-person meetings
of the Joint Negotiating Committee for Teachers’ (JNCT). 
The Committee unanimously agreed that future meetings of the JNCT
be held in person at 2 High Street, Perth commencing with the meeting
scheduled to be held on 20 September 2022. 
14. DATE OF NEXT MEETING 
It was noted that the next meeting would take place on Tuesday 20
September 2022 at 2.30pm. 
VALEDICTORIES 
(i) Sharon Johnston advised that Margaret Donachy was attending her
last meeting as a representative on the Committee. She expressed her
thanks to Margaret for her support on the Committee which had been
gratefully received on many occasions. Sheena Devlin also expressed
her thanks to Margaret for her contribution to the Committee which had
been greatly appreciated. 
(ii) Councillor Rebbeck advised that the Committee Clerk, Linda Brown,
was attending her last meeting and thanked her for the help and
support she had given him on this and other Committees over the
years.  Sharon Johnston, Sheena Devlin and Councillor Shiers also
thanked Linda for her help and support over many years and wished
her well in her retirement.

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(iii) Prior to the close of the meeting Sheena Devlin wished everyone a
relaxing and restful holiday and expressed her thanks to everyone
working in schools for the extraordinary work they had undertaken over
the last two years.