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Minute of Meeting of the Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff of 7 December 2021 for Noting

Perth and Kinross Council · 29 June 2022
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JOINT NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE FOR TEACHING STAFF 
Minute of virtual meeting of the Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff
(JNCT) held via Microsoft Teams on Tuesday 7 December 2021 at 2.30pm. 
Present: Representing Perth and Kinross Council 
Councillors J Duff, J Rebbeck and C Shiers; S Devlin,
S Johnston, M Donaghy, J Donnelly, G Doogan and
D Macluskey (all Education and Children’s Services);
P Johnstone (Corporate & Democratic Services). 
Representing Teachers’ Associations
L Gibb, M Laurie, C Rose, T Summers, M Taylor, and
C Weston (all EIS); M Mackie (SSTA) and S Topen-Cooper
(NASUWT). 
In Attendance: F Mackay (Education & Children’s Services); A McAuley, Joint
Secretary (Trade Unions); S Hendry, for Joint Secretary
(Management Side) and C Irons (Corporate and Democratic
Services). 
Apologies: S Dowling and LJ Grant,   
Councillor J Duff, Convener, Presiding. 
1. APOLOGIES FOR ABSENCE 
Apologies for absence were submitted and noted as above. 
2. DECLARATIONS OF INTEREST (ELECTED MEMBERS ONLY) 
There were no declarations of interest made in terms of the Councillors’ Code
of Conduct. 
3.  MINUTE 
The minute of meeting of the Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff
of 21 September 2021 was submitted and approved as a correct record. 
4. MATTERS ARISING 
(i) Primary Staffing Standards Update (Item 4(i) refers) 
G Doogan advised Standards had been prepared following discussion
with Primary Head Teachers and staffing for next year would be based
on the standard.  The staffing allocation would be mapped across all
schools and discussion would take place with those schools where
there had been a change to the allocation. 
G Doogan confirmed the Standards would be signed off the following
day and issued to schools.

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In response to a question from S Topen-Cooper, S Johnston confirmed
it was recognised that non-teaching Depute Head Teachers were often
used to cover classes which was more costly and officers were working
hard to provide supply cover while allowing Deputes to undertake their
own role.   
The Committee noted the position. 
5. STAFF SURVEY UPDATE 
This item was withdrawn from the agenda. 
6. STAFF REPORTED INCIDENTS OF DISTRESSED OR CHALLENGING
BEHAVIOUR/INCIDENTS OF VIOLENCE OR AGGRESSION –
QUARTERLY STATISTICAL REPORT – TERM 1 (18 AUGUST –
8 OCTOBER 2021) 
There was submitted a report by the Executive Director (Education &
Children’s Services) (G/21/162) providing a summary of the information
gathered in relation to incidents in schools and other educational settings
which result in an emotional or physical impact on a member of staff for the
period 18 August to 8 October 2021 (Term 1). 
F Mackay confirmed there had been changes to the reporting and the
information was also now submitted to the Employees Joint Consultative
Committee. 
It was noted that the 2021/22 figures were not comparable to the 2020/21
figures due to the pandemic but that when compared to the 2019/20 figures
there had been a decrease in the number of incidents. 
In response to a question from C Weston, F Mackay advised support to staff
would be enhanced by providing training and ensuring greater consistency on
debriefing following an incident and subsequent support provided.   
Councillor J Duff requested that comparison to previous years be added to
future reports. 
S Topen-Cooper stated there was a need for additional resources, rather than
a redistribution, to ensure the needs of all children were being met as early
intervention was required to tackle the number of incidents.   
S Johnston advised of resources available such as early intervention for 3-5
years; additional EPC’s; an enhanced notification process; Community Link
Workers; family resource staff and youth workers. 
S Devlin confirmed that additional resources would require to be approved as
part of the Council’s budget process.

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The Committee noted the quarterly report for the period 18 August to 8
October 2021 (Term 1) and that comparison to previous years would be
incorporated in future reports. 
7. SECONDARY STAFFING STANDARD REVIEW 2021/22 
There was submitted a briefing note (G/21/163) by the Service Manager
(Secondary Education) reviewing the Council’s Secondary Standard with a
Working Group established to take forward proposals. 
D Macluskey provided a summary of the benchmarking exercise undertaken
and of the progress made by the Working Group. Some benchmarking had
taken place with 9 other Local Authorities where most had used a per pupil
multiplier as their model. There was no intention to redistribute staff. One of
the aspects was to look at all promoted post structures in Secondary schools
including DHT Support and Curriculum. 
C Weston stated that she appreciated that trade unions would be consulted
on the new standard but asked for assurance that no school would be
disadvantaged by the proposals. D Macluskey advised the new standard
would operate within the current budget structure and if schools were
assessed for FTE last year they would not be disadvantaged. 
M Mackie queried the use of clothing grant uptake for the socio-economic
allocation.  D Macluskey advised that the clothing grant uptake from primary
would be used as this was a more accurate measure as many parents chose
not to take up the free school meals. 
M Mackie also asked if there was scope to have professional associations
involved in the working group and D Macluskey stated that this would be the
case at the point when promoted post structures were being reviewed. 
The Committee noted the position. 
8. ANNUAL LEAVE CALENDAR 2021/2022 
There was submitted for information the annual leave calendar for 2021/2022
(G/21/164).   
P Johnstone advised the calendar reflected the Council decision with regard
to the Jubilee Holiday and was for noting. 
C Weston stated the Teachers Panel was disappointed that the holiday in
May was to be moved to June and asked for confirmation that teachers
affected by this change would not be disadvantaged.
P Johnstone confirmed schools would work locally to resolve individual
situations.   
The Committee noted the calendar.

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9. SECONDMENT APPEAL PROCESS 
There was submitted a joint report by the Executive Director (Education &
Children’s Services) and the Corporate Human Resources Manager
(G/21/165) providing information on a Secondment Appeal Process for
Teaching Staff, developed following publication of the Council’s Secondment
Guidance and the SNCT Code of Practice for Secondments. 
The Committee noted the position. 
10. BUDGET UPDATE 
S Devlin advised that work was underway to prepare for the budget setting at
Council in February 2022. Action would be required to meet the scale of the
challenge which would likely involve cuts to services; transformation and
service-redesign. There would be trade union consultation at the appropriate
time in the budget process.
S Devlin added that it would be a very challenging experience as the Council
recovered from the pandemic.   
11. OUTREACH TEACHER JOB PROFILE 
Item deferred for further consideration. 
12.    ANY OTHER COMPETENT BUSINESS 
There were no other items of business raised for discussion. 
13. DATE OF NEXT MEETING 
It was noted the next meeting would be held on Tuesday 22 March 2022 at
2.30pm.