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Minute 20260401

Perth and Kinross Council · 16 September 2026
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Perth and Kinross Council
Finance and Resources Committee
Employees Joint Consultative Committee 
Minute of hybrid meeting of the Employees Joint Consultative Committee held
Meeting Room 410, 2 High Street, Perth on Wednesday 1 April 2026 at 1.30pm. 
Present: Representing Perth and Kinross Council: 
Councillors K Allan, J Rebbeck and K Harvey. 
Present: Representing Trade Unions: 
C Weston (EIS) 
V Leonard (GMB)
S Hope (UNISON)
S Robertson (Unite the Union)
N Ferry (UNISON) from item 7 
In Attendance:  L Hamilton, P Johnstone, E Bayne, L McGeorge, S Stephen,
K Robertson, N Taylor, C Shepherd, K Matiwaza, A McConnachie. 
Apologies: Councillor S McCole with Councillor K Harvey substituting, J McColl
with C Shepherd substituting, G Boland, F Mackay, M Mackie and
S Topen-Cooper 
S Hope in the Chair. 
1. Welcome and Apologies 
S Hope welcomed all present to the meeting and apologies were noted as
above. 
2. Declarations of Interest 
There were no declarations of interest made in terms of the Councillors’ Code
of Conduct. 
3. Minute of Meeting of Employees Joint Consultative Committee of
3 December 2025 
The minute of meeting of the Employees Joint Consultative Committee of
3 December 2025 was submitted and approved as a correct record. 
4. Matters Arising 
(i) Industrial Injuries Guidance 
In response to S Hope asking for an update, E Bayne said this is
ongoing.

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5. Health and Safety Performance Report Quarter 3 2025/26 – October –
December 2025 
There was a report submitted by the Health and Safety Team Leader
(G/26/33) informing and assisting the Employees Joint Consultative
Committee in monitoring health and safety compliance and performance
across Perth and Kinross Council and providing an overview of health and
safety activities undertaken. 
Resolved:
The Committee noted the contents of the report. 
6. Fire Safety Performance Report – Quarter 3 2025/26 – October –
December 2025 
There was a report submitted by the Health and Safety Team Leader
(G/26/34) informing and assisting the Employees Joint Consultative
Committee in monitoring fire safety performance across Perth and Kinross
Council and providing an overview of fire safety activities undertaken. 
In addition to the report L McGeorge said they are addressing outstanding
actions with property. 
Resolved:
The Committee noted the contents of the report. 
7. Staff Reporting: Incidents of Violence/Aggression and incidents of
Distressed/Challenging Behaviour in Education Settings – Term 2
2025/26 
There was a report submitted by the Quality Improvement Manager, Inclusion
and Additional Support, and Inclusion Quality Improvement Officer (G/26/35)
on Education and Learning’s performance in managing and reducing staff
reports of incidents of distressed, challenging, violent, or aggressive
behaviour that have impacted staff in the workplace. 
It also provides a summary of the information gathered in Term 2 of academic
year 2025/26 in relation to staff reports of incidents in schools and other
educational settings which had an emotional or physical impact on them and
information on the activity of an established Working Group to prevent and
reduce the number of incidents. 
C Weston said she had submitted written questions in advance of the meeting
and was meeting with S Stephen out with the meeting to go through them
then feedback to members. 
Councillor Rebbeck said how important he thinks the Joint Statement by
Education and Learning and Trade Unions is, that collegiate working is crucial
and thanked all involved.

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S Stephen said they have linked in with Education Scotland who have been
complimentary about our collegiate working. 
In response to C Weston and S Hope asking if the statement is finalised and if
it has been fully agreed with the unions, S Stephen said she would need to
check. 
S Topen-Cooper submitted questions via the meeting’s Teams chat and in
response to asking how far are all management staff in school and those who
line manager staff in school are up to date in their 12hr Calm Theory Training,
S Stephen said they did not have that data to hand, the Reducing Challenging
Behaviour Working Group are working with Calm to provide a mandatory level
of training for all school staff. 
In response to Councillor Allan asking what is being done for staff involved in
multiple incidents, S Stephen said they recognise recurring incidents are not
ok and are looking at changes in how they are monitored. There is an
expectation their line manager supports them, that there is a debrief and they
would look at the quality of the debrief, what happens after it and if there is
further support or training required. 
In response to Councillor Allan asking what is being done about P1-P3
accounting for the largest proportion of reported incidents, S Stephen said in
P1 and P2 we do not always have an understanding of children’s needs with
transition being worked through and they are working developing on a strong
understanding of children’s needs at that age, professional learning and staff
supports. 
In response to Councillor Allan asking if a more intervention-based approach
is needed, S Stephen said if incidents have reduced in the next term, it would
show the interventions being put in place are effective. 
In response to Councillor Allan asking what is being done to capture and
address the mental wellbeing of teachers, E Bayne said there is a range of
things such as the staff survey, Education Wellbeing Group and Health and
Safety Team. 
Councillor Rebbeck said there is not a day where this is not discussed or
debated, it is a societal change, the solutions are difficult and are beyond this
meeting and PKC. 
Resolved:
The Committee noted the content of the report and ongoing activity by a multi-
agency group to reduce and prevent future incidents of distressed
challenging, violent or aggressive behaviour and improve staff experience in
Early Learning and Childcare (ELC) settings and schools

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8. Health and Wellbeing Update 
There was a report submitted by the People and Culture Manager (G/26/36)
providing an update on current Health and Wellbeing data and current Health
and Wellbeing activities. 
E Bayne apologised as the wrong table had been included in the report. Hard
copies of the correct table were circulated at the meeting and as an
attachment in the meeting’s Teams chat. 
In response to S Topen-Cooper asking what the turnaround time from referral
to Occupational Health being submitted and staff being seen by an
Occupational Health professional, E Bayne said there is a 14-day turnaround
for an appointment after a referral and that is being met, will link in with S
Topen-Cooper if there are instances where it is not. 
In response to C Weston saying the menopause adjustments are not suitable
for schools, P Johnstone said they are just examples and can be reviewed,
before it becomes mandatory in 
2027. 
In response to S Hope asking when the Health and Wellbeing E Learning for
managers was last updated and that it should be mandatory, E Bayne said it
was updated last Summer and P Johnstone said the team deliver training,
attend meetings with inexperienced managers when requested and are
available for appointments via Erica with managers to discuss issues. 
P Johnstone advised that a new leadership strategy was agreed by ELT in
February 2026 and the team are currently designing  new programme of
learning for leaders including aspiring leaders, experienced leaders and
leadership essentials (core learning), they have also refreshed manager
induction training. 
Councillor Rebbeck said he thinks the low absence rate among school staff
shows their commitment despite challenges. 
Resolved:
The Committee noted the position regarding Health and Wellbeing 
9. Summer Placement Programme – Priority Recruitment 
There was submitted a report by the People and Culture Manager (G/26/37)
seeking approval for young people undertaking the summer placement
programme with Perth and Kinross Council (PKC) to apply for modern
apprenticeship vacancies advertised internally during, and for a period of six
months following their placement. 
Resolved:
The Committee approved the request.

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10. Any Other Competent Business 
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11. Date of Next Meeting   
1 July 2026