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Minute of meeting of 11 March 2026

Perth and Kinross Council · 16 September 2026
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Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff 
Minute of hybrid meeting of the Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff
(JNCT) held in Meeting Room 410, 2 High Street, Perth on Wednesday 11 March
2026 at 2.30pm. 
Present: Representing Perth and Kinross Council 
Councillors J Rebbeck and Councillor C Shiers; M Shaw,
E Moran, F Mackay, D Macluskey, P Smith and N Craik-
Collins (all Education and Learning); P Johnstone (Strategic
Planning, People and Performance). 
Representing Teachers’ Associations
J Craigon, L Gibb, L J Grant, M Laurie, J Cook, C Clark,
M Taylor and C Weston (all EIS); M Mackie (SSTA); S Topen-
Cooper (NASUWT) 
In Attendance: A McConnachie for Joint Secretary (Management Side). 
Apologies: Councillor S Carr and J Leslie 
Councillor J Rebbeck, Convener, Presiding. 
1. Welcome and Apologies 
Councillor J Rebbeck welcomed those present to the meeting and apologies
for absence were noted as above. 
An issue with the audio meant those attending online were unable to hear the
room. 
The Convener asked whether there were any objections to proceeding with
the meeting, and none were raised. 
2. Declarations of Interest (Elected Members Only) 
There were no Declarations of Interest made in terms of the Councillors’ Code
of Conduct.   
3.  Minute of Meeting of the Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff
of 19 November 2025 for Approval 
The Minute of meeting of the Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff
of 19 November 2025 was submitted and approved as a correct record. 
4. Matters Arising 
(i) Severe Weather Guidance 
D Macluskey and C Weston said they had spoken since the last JNCT
meeting and agreed changes in the language.

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(ii) Zero Tolerance Approach to Violence and Aggression Incidents in PKC
Schools 
Management and Teachers’ Associations continuing to work together on
resolutions sought at previous JNCT meeting. 
(iii) Retaining Minority Ethnic Teachers 
In response to S Topen-Cooper asking if there is any update from PKC in
response to the document published by Scottish Government, D Macluskey
said work is ongoing, he is meeting with PKC Equalities Team and hopes to
have something for next JNCT meeting. 
(iv) Membership Updates 
The following Membership Update was agreed: 
Colin Clark to replace Jennifer Leslie on the Teachers’ Side 
5. Business of Learning and Families Committee of 4 February 2026 for
Noting 
The business of Learning and Families Committee of 4 February 2026, be
noted 
6. Learning Visit Protocol and Learning Visit Observation Template 
There was submitted a report (G/26/21) sharing the refreshed PKC
Classroom Visit Protocol and QIR Classroom Visit Observation Template for
Teaching Staff. 
In response to C Weston asking if in paragraph 6.1 rather than “term 4 2025-
2026” it could be “term 1 2026-2027”, E Moran said they would make that
change. 
In response to J Cook asking if the Planning Policy for Primary and
Secondary will be updated, N Craik-Collins said there is ongoing work on that
and will share a draft as soon as able. 
Resolved:
Subject to agreed amendments, the Committee:
(i)  Approves the PKC Learning Visit Protocol and Learning Visit
Observation Template.
(ii)  Requests that the Strategic Lead for Education and Learning shares
the PKC Learning Visit Protocol and Learning Visit Observation
Template with all schools and settings once approved.
(iii)  Following the approval of the PKC Learning Visit Protocol and Learning
Visit Observation Template, suggests that a leaflet is created for staff
outlining key information.

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7. PT Protected Management Time 
M Shaw provided a verbal update; they have agreed the table of minimum
time and now need to meet to update the paper and prepare for finalisation.
LJ Grant said they still need to agree what is achievable in the time allocated. 
8. Employee Survey 
D Macluskey provided a verbal update, there were positive responses around
motivation, sense of achievement, autonomy around decision making and line
manager support. 
There were issues around wellbeing and safety at work, physical environment
featured more than before then violence and aggressive behaviour then
professional safety which is something they are working on at leadership
forums. 
There was a mixed response around leadership and line management with
analysis to be done. 
Next steps will be ironing out difficulties they are having with access to
information, once they have had the time and space to analyse the
information it will be shared with the wider team and work will be done
centrally to put together a presentation for next JNCT meeting. 
In response to C Weston asking if schools will be asked to produce action
plans, D Macluskey said yes and following feedback this was too bureaucratic
last time they will be flexible and appropriate. 
C Weston had the following feedback from members, not all schools were
given time to complete the survey, there was concern around anonymity,
teachers did not want to answer every question and there were anxieties
around who was meant by management. 
In response D Macluskey said he was very frustrated by schools not giving
time to complete the survey and will look at a different way of getting the
message out in future, in regards to anonymity it’s in the person completing
the survey’s gift what they put in the comments and would hope if they have
any issues they have other opportunities to engage during the year rather
than waiting for the survey, having the option to only answer some of the
questions would affect the fidelity of the data, and at primary level
management is the head teacher but what management means at secondary
level needs ironed out. 
In response to LJ Grant asking if the results will just be shared with
headteachers or will staff get an overview, D Macluskey said results will be
shared with headteachers with an expectation they produce an appropriate
action plan and it will depend on responses as to what that could look like. 
Resolved:
The Committee noted the update.

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9. Working Time Agreement Update 
C Weston said she met with E Moran last week to finalise changes, dates are
updated annually and any other changes are in red in the document. 
Resolved:
(i)  The Committee noted the update.
(ii)  Democratic Services to upload Agreement to SNCT website. 
10. Raising Attainment Update 
There was submitted a report G/26/23 providing an update on progress on the
Raising Attainment Strategy 2024-2027, specifically, information on a range of
performance measures across the Scottish Governments National
Improvement Framework for Education priorities. 
In response to L Gibb asking about attendance and with pupils achieving in
everything apart from numeracy and literacy is an academic pathway the only
pathway, D Macluskey said they know attendance in Perth and Kinross
compares poorly, it’s a constant battle and has improved since this time last
year, F Mackay said the current curriculum is not meeting all needs, there is
no one answer and it is something N Craik-Collins is looking at. 
N Craik-Collins said there is a cultural shift in the Scottish education system, it
is a complex picture, and it is about building on the individual strengths of
pupils. 
In response to M Laurie saying it was good to see positives and case studies
and asking if there will be the funding to keep them going, the Chair said that
is largely a political decision and there is an awareness they have gone as far
as they can with the budget without being detrimental to children’s
opportunities. 
In response to C Clark saying they are seeing schools cutting courses rather
than extending the curricular offer, D Macluskey said that is not what his data
shows and if they are he does not think it would be a budgetary decision. 
The Chair said they are in schools all the time and meet families in the
community and sees the difference teachers and pupil support assistants
make. 
C Weston said delivery should be face to face in school and not an online
learning offer. 
Resolved: 
The Committee noted the update. 
11. Excursions Guidance 
D Macluskey provided a verbal update, PKC’s Excursion Guidance needs
updated and refreshed due to changes in Council organisation, with the

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Outdoor Education Bill to come, and to align it with the Cost of School Day
Policy. 
In response to C Weston asking if the unions could have sight of it first, D
Macluskey said they would. 
Resolved:
The Committee noted the updated. 
12. Job Sizing Locality Co-Ordinator Post 
F Mackay provided a verbal update; this is the creation of a new post as part
of the move from centralised inclusion resources to 4 locality areas and the
job profile has come back from the Teacher’s Panel. 
In response to C Clark saying they have concerns about loss of specialisms,
F Mackay said they would ensure the teacher post covers what is being lost,
small teams will be being kept together and will keep their specialisms. 
Resolved:
(i)  C Weston to confirm Teachers’ Side agree job profile.
(ii)  Democratic Services to upload job profile to SNCT website 
13. Employment Rights Act 2025 
P Johnstone provided a verbal update, Employment Rights Act 2025 received
Royal Assent on 18 December 2025 with some changes going live in
February 2026 with more in April 2026. These changes are to overall Council
guidance and are not specific to teachers. 
Main changes are with Statutory Sick Pay, Paternity Leave, menopause
support and harassment becoming protected through whistleblowing, with
updates and amendments already made to any Council policies that needed
them. 
In response to C Weston saying she knows of another local authority that
offers 5 days paid leave in relation to the menopause and asking if that is
something PKC would consider, P Johnstone said there is no requirement
they offer that. 
Resolved: 
The Committee noted the update. 
14. Any Other Competent Business 
(i) S Topen-Cooper asked for clarification around guidance he understood
has gone out to headteachers concerning “triggers” when there are
sickness absences and if it is up to the discretion of the manager to
decide whether a trigger should lead to formal action.

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P Smith said the word “triggers” is not in the document and it would be
up to a manager to decide if there was a need for a formal Health and
Wellbeing meeting. 
(ii) S Topen-Cooper said he had been approached by several members
reporting being asked by line managers if they are taking strike action
and asked if a clarification go out to managers emphasising that
employees should not be asked whether they are a member of a union,
which union or whether they intend to follow union instructions. 
P Johnstone said as part of forward planning they can ask individuals if
they are coming into work and they are not obliged to answer;
managers should be aware not to ask about union membership and if
that is happening let them know the specifics. 
(iii) C Weston asked if parental complaints could be reviewed at a future
JNCT as the increase in unreasonable and excessive complaints is
affecting mental health and wellbeing from headteachers down, could
we look at the data and what we are doing as a whole. 
D Macluskey said complaints are not upheld and while some are the
process has its use. The aim is to deal with complaints at the earliest
point before they reach the ombudsman. How complaints are dealt with
has been changed with a team dedicated to stage 2 complaints and
more are being resolved at stage 1 than ever with fewer escalating to
stage 2. We cannot stop what people say or complain about but we
can investigate thoroughly and rebut and a fuller conversation would be
helpful. 
F Mackay said challenging parental communications would be included
too. 
E Moran said the management team can get involved and help if
wellbeing is affected, staff should come forward and should not sit with
it if the situation is too much. 
15. Date of Next Meeting 
24 June 2026 at 2:30pm in Meeting Room 410, 2 High Street, Perth.