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Minute of Meeting of Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff of 19 November 2026 for Noting

Perth and Kinross Council · 27 May 2026
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Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff 
Minute of hybrid meeting of the Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff (JNCT)
held in Meeting Room 410, 2 High Street, Perth on Wednesday 19 November 2025 at
2.30pm. 
Present: Representing Perth and Kinross Council 
Councillors J Rebbeck and Councillor C Shiers; M Shaw,
E Moran, F Mackay, D Macluskey, P Smith and N Craik-Collins
(all Education and Learning); P Johnstone (Strategic Planning,
People and Performance). 
Representing Teachers’ Associations
J Craigon, L Gibb, L J Grant, M Laurie, J Cook, M Taylor and C
Weston (all EIS); M Mackie (SSTA); S Topen-Cooper (NASUWT) 
In Attendance: A McConnachie for Joint Secretary (Management Side). 
Apologies: Councillor S Carr and J Leslie 
Councillor J Rebbeck, Convener, Presiding. 
1. Welcome and Apologies 
Councillor J Rebbeck welcomed those present to the meeting and apologies for
absence were noted as above. 
2. Declarations of Interest (Elected Members Only) 
There were no Declarations of Interest made in terms of the Councillors’ Code of
Conduct.   
3.  Minute of Meeting of the Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff of
3 September 2025 for Approval 
The Minute of meeting of the Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff of 3
September 2025 was submitted and approved as a correct record. 
4. Matters Arising 
(i) Membership Updates 
The following Membership Update was agreed: 
Neil Craik-Collins to replace Nick Thomson on the Management Side. 
5. Business of Learning and Families Committee of 12 November 2025 for
Noting 
The business of Learning and Families Committee of 12 November 2025, be
noted.

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6. Emergency Closure of Schools – Severe Weather Guidance 
D Macluskey advised this is the annual update of this guidance with the main
difference being that in the event of a school closure rather than staff attending
an alternative place of work, schools will move to the delivery of remote learning. 
C Weston said there is no provision within the SNCT that says teachers have to
deliver remote learning, but they could do other work from home. 
Discussion followed and with neither side’s position changing The Convener said
he accepted there was not going to be agreement today and that further
conversation was needed out with the meeting. 
In response to C Weston asking that the link to the guidance be removed in the
meantime, D Macluskey said he would seek guidance on that. 
In response to J Cook asking if during a Severe Weather Warning where police
advice is to only travel if essential would teachers travelling to work be
considered “essential travel” and how would travelling in such circumstances
affect their insurance coverage, D Macluskey said decisions on whether to travel
would be for staff to decide individually and it would be for individuals and their
insurers to discuss coverage. 
Resolved:
The Committee noted the update with further discussion to take place on remote
learning.  
7. Cost of the School Day Policy  
D Macluskey advised the policy is in draft form at the moment and welcomed
any questions or comments. 
In response to C Weston saying the document says “by June 2025 Perth and
Kinross Schools and ELC settings will have a Cost of the School Day 
Plan…”, D Mcluskey said that deadline has slipped, and it has not been adopted
as policy yet with it still to go before the Learning and Families Committee. The
date will be changed to June 2026. 
In response to C Weston asking if every school has a policy on uniform,
D Mcluskey said the Scottish Government guidance is they should and if they do
it should be consultative. 
M Shaw said when Perth High School were coming up with theirs, they did a lot
of work consultatively around it. 
In response to C Weston asking in terms of best practice is there a maximum
number of non-uniform days a school can have, D Mcluskey said there is not, it
is left to headteachers to decide and he thinks they would know how many is too
many. 
Resolved:
The Committee noted the policy.

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8. Employee Survey 
D Mcluskey gave a verbal update. At the time of the meeting Education had a
27.8% completion rate for the Employee Survey and with Education making up
about 3000 of the 5000 Council’s employees he was disappointed with the low
number. 
He said he asked for time to be given at inset days for the survey to be
completed and he needs to know where that did not happen as they are looking
to work with schools that did not set aside time. 
He stressed the importance of the survey to him and as a tool for improvement
with any help getting more people to complete it appreciated. 
Resolved:
The Committee noted the update. 
9. Restructure of the Outreach Service (Including EAL) – Locality Model 
F Mackay gave a verbal update. The restructuring is part of the ASN
programme, and it is moving from centralised inclusion resources to 4 locality
areas with LMGs grouped together.
It does not change anyone’s job or the function anyone does just the
coordination of who they report to.
There is a working group looking at the implementation and they had their 1st
meeting last week with a whole day workshop in December.
The resources and decision making around them will be closer to HTs with the
focus on localisation of resources as much as possible.
Will bring updates as and when they have them. 
In response to C Weston asking when this will be in place, F Mackay said
hopefully in August 2026 following recommendations in March 2026, but some
might happen quicker. 
In response to M Mackie asking if EALs are part of the working group, F Mackay
said they will have representation and be part of the stakeholder discussion but
can look at specific representation for them.
There is a meeting with the Peripatetic Teams on 18 December which is the first
opportunity to bring people together and have further discussion. 
In response to S Topen-Cooper saying the current centralised service is very
successful and his concern that splitting it would mean a loss of continuity,
training and support, F Mackay agreed the current service is very successful and
there is no intention of dismantling that as the 4 localities will still be part of one
team. 
In response to C Weston asking if the Locality Coordinator post would be a
teaching role and J Craigon asking if there would be any cost savings, F Mackay
said it would be PT teaching terms and conditions and there would be no cost
savings.

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In response to S Topen-Cooper asking if the change will mean more meetings,
more bureaucracy and a watered-down service, F Mackay said that is not the
intention, she understands the concerns and would encourage participation in
the upcoming focus groups. 
Resolved:
The Committee noted the update. 
10. Transformational Change – Update on ISPs including long term plans for
places like Connections and Navigate 
F MacKay gave a verbal update. In the past year they have increased their
number of ISPs with the aim that every secondary school with a substantive role
has ISP and that each LMG catchment has at least one school with ISP. 
So far, they have completed statutory consultations for three schools – Perth
High School, Kinross High School and Viewlands Primary School – with
agreement at the Learning and Families Committee on 12 November that these
become permanent ISPs. 
The next tranche of consultations are for all through ISPs at the Community
School of Auchterarder and St John’s Academy. 
These started 2 weeks ago. Auchterarder had their staff and public meetings
yesterday and St John’s have theirs next week. 
Education Scotland are also involved and will visit both schools, conduct focus
groups and feedback reports. 
Progress is positive and hopefully in August 2026 we will have 10 secondaries
and 19 primaries with ISP meaning children are educated closer to home and
not having to travel. 
Connections and Navigate do not have the same focus as ISPs as they are part
time provisions and not the same as schools. 
An ongoing review looking at staged intervention support has started with their
first meeting tomorrow and if there is any need for Union involvement, they are
happy to involve them. 
F Mackay agreed with C Weston’s request to keep them updated. 
The Chair said engagement from all involved has been brilliant and they are
excited about the future. 
Resolved:
The Committee noted the update. 
11. PT Protected Management Time Update  
M Shaw provided a verbal update. He met with C Weston and L J Grant on
Monday and agreed the table is to be reviewed by them and the HT Group. In
agreement that PTs should have protected management time. Aware there is an
urgency to get HTs round the table soon and intention is to meet with C Weston
and L J Grant again following that. 
C Weston said there would hopefully be an update at next JNCT.

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Resolved:
The Committee noted the update. 
12. Zero Tolerance Approach to Violence and Aggression Incidents in PKC
Schools – Teachers’ Panel 
In addition to the letter submitted by on behalf of the representatives on the
JNCT Teachers’ Panel, C Weston said they believed the Council’s 2006
corporate policy for management of violence and aggression has not been
extended to schools and as a result they believed their local agreement is not
currently being followed and the Council is failing to uphold the LNCT
agreement.
Teachers’ Trade Unions have been asking for posters for years and been told
corporate posters are not appropriate for schools and there is a need to get the
right wording, but the corporate policy has an example of clear, direct and easily
understood wording.
Their evidence from members in schools is that incidents of violence and
aggression towards staff are increasing and the of a zero-tolerance framework is
having a detrimental effect on staff wellbeing which impacts educational
outcomes. They are also sure there is a correlation between absences and
violence and aggression incidents although the Council’s absence reporting
system doesn’t indicate that many of the absences are directly related. 
In response D Mcluskey said he had checked with Lorna Hamilton, Health and
Safety Team Leader and the corporate policy the Teachers’ Panel are relying on
has been superseded by 2021 Violence and Aggression Guidance.
He is happy to put out a statement that violence and aggression against
teachers and school staff will not be tolerated.
The data says incidents of violence and aggression are reducing and he accepts
that is at odds with their experience and feeling.
It is not a bilateral choice between a restorative approach and violence and
aggression.
Although the age of a child involved in an incident does not matter the context is
the majority are between the ages of P1-P4 and a person’s reaction to an
incident will differ depending on the age of the child involved.
There are dangers with zero tolerance and there would need to be a discussion
as to what it means and what the future looks like.
There is a difference between adhering to corporate policy and posters.
Thinks they engage well with teachers on this issue and there is already a group
looking at reducing challenging behaviour so would need to know why it’s not
appropriate to discuss their issues there. 
In response to C Weston saying she feels violent and aggressive incidents are
being underreported with the numbers of reported incidents on SEEMIS different
from the number on DASH, D Mcluskey said there is probably underreporting but
the numbers have been dropping longer than SEEMIS and DASH have been in
place. 
S Topen-Cooper said he thinks the lack of quick links for forms and teachers
being fed up filling in forms in their own time contributes to underreporting and M
Laurie said she sees the differences between SEEMIS and DASH contributing

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with SEEMIS being quicker and easier to complete and does not think people
are filling in DASH because it is repetitive.
M Taylor said she would not fill in a DASH form for a pupil swearing at her due to
the time it takes to complete. 
The Chair said it is important to note that the Management Side does care and if
the Reducing Challenging Behaviour Group is not working, we need to revisit
that.
They do not just want posters and words but an appropriate meaningful policy
that makes a difference and that he and Councillor Shiers are happy to be part of
any discussions with Councillor Shiers echoing this. 
F Mackay said she is happy to look at expanding the membership of the
Reducing Challenging Behaviour Group and SEEMIS data was discussed at
their last meeting. Their next meeting is going to be with Susie Turner’s
Relationships Group as the groups should be working closely together. 
The Chair said he is happy for the relationships policy to be reconsidered but
that he backs the restorative approach and D Mcluskey and F Mackay are happy
to do that. 
D Mcluskey said last year’s data shows teacher absences have gone down.
In regard to DVCA incidents in term 3 they are looking at putting in a longer
break in February and that they are working with the levers and tools available to
help those on the front line. 
In response to J Cook’s suggestion that reducing the time reports take to come
back to staff could improve reporting, F Mackay said she will take that forward. 
L J Grant said she does not see improvements in DCVA data in the years she
has been on the panel and that perhaps they maybe need to look at a different
matrix for measuring. 
The Chair said society has changed and we have to deal with and address that. 
F Mackay said with P1s this year DCVA reports dropped by half and things may
be starting to change. 
D Mcluskey suggested and it was agreed by the teachers that in relation to their
letter they could consider it resolved as they are willing to work with them on all
their sought resolutions. 
Resolved: 
Management willing to work with Teachers’ Associations on all sought
resolutions. 
13. SNCT Agreement on changes to the Job Sizing Toolkit 
In response to C Weston saying she brought this to Committee so they are
aware of it, D Mcluskey said they are aware of it and where there is a need for
action to be taken it will be.

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Resolved:
The Committee noted the Agreement. 
14. Any Other Competent Business 
(i) D Mcluskey said in relation to the Working Time Agreement and Parental
Contact he has had a request from one school asking for more Contact
Evenings and less reports. 
(ii) P Johnstone thanked the teachers for agreeing to change their pay date
and that they will receive their back pay on 23 December. 
(iii) S Topen-Cooper wanted to make the Committee aware of a recent
Scottish Government paper from September on retaining ethnic minority
teachers. 
(iv) Teachers would like meetings to follow a rolling cycle of a Monday
meeting followed by a Tuesday meeting, followed by a Wednesday
meeting then back to Monday – A McConnachie to investigate possibility
of this. 
15. Date of Next Meeting 
11 March 2026 at 2:30pm in Meeting Room 410, 2 High Street, Perth.