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Minute of meeting of 20 June 2025

Perth and Kinross Council · 12 November 2025
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Children, Young People and Families’ Partnership 
Minute of meeting of the Children, Young People, and Families Partnership held on
Friday 20 June 2025 at 10.00am in Council Chambers, 2 High Street, Perth. 
Present: Councillor L Barrett.
Councillor M Frampton
T Glen, Chief Executive, PKC
A Singh, Strategic Lead – Children, Families and Justice, PKC
J Menzies, HSCP
Z Pullar, NHS Tayside
L Sutherland, Scottish Children’s Reporter Administration 
In Attendance:  S Halcrow, NHS Tayside (item 1), S Jeffrey, Children’s Hearing
Scotland; E Harper; NHS Tayside; S Laing; CAMHS; B Atkinson,
J Chiles, S Cooper, L Johnston, C McAuley, S Turner, A
McConnachie and K Molley (all PKC). 
Apologies:  Councillor C Shiers; M Devlin, Third Sector; G Burns, Police
Scotland; J Hutton, Independent Advocacy P&K; E Cruickshank,
NHS Tayside; D Macluskey and D Stokoe, Perth and Kinross
Council.   
A Singh in the Chair 
The Group agreed to vary the order of business at this point. 
1. NHS Tayside Health Profile 
There was submitted a report (G/25/80) and slide-based presentation by
S Halcrow on the NHS Tayside Child Health Profile 2024. 
Councillor M Frampton thanked S Halcrow for the report. Councillor
M Frampton suggested that the term ‘spontaneous abortion’ be removed from
the Health Profile as it could be distressing for women to read. S Halcrow
confirmed that the language used would be removed. Z Pullar advised that
she link in with the Director of Midwifery and would share the appropriate
terminology with S Halcrow.

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Councillor L Barret referred to the referrals to school nurses and the lower
numbers for 16 – 18s and given that young people may have left school,
L Barrett suggested that the data be presented more accurately through the
percentage of the cohort instead. 
Councillor M Frampton queried if the low levels of vaccinations could be
caused by misinformation to new parents.  Z Pullar referred to the work of the
Child Immunisation Uptake Group and the slight increase in levels. Z Pullar
added that teams visiting families are fully informed and are able to answer
questions and signpost appropriately. Z Pullar confirmed that an update would
be brought back to the Partnership. 
S Halcrow advised that the Tayside Health Profile would be produced every
two years. The Chair thanked S Halcrow for his informative presentation.
S Halcrow left the meeting at this point. 
2. Welcome and Apologies 
The Chair welcomed everyone to the meeting.  Apologies were noted as
above. 
The Chair also raised the issue of attendance at partnership meetings and
asked if members could send substitutes to future meetings if they are unable
to attend. 
3. Declarations of Interest 
There were no declarations of interest in terms of the relevant Codes of
Conduct. 
4. Minute of Previous Meeting 
The minute of the meeting of the Children, Young People and Families
Partnership of 28 February 2025 was submitted and noted as a correct
record. 
5. Perth and Kinross Child Protection Committee Business Activity Report
since 28 February 2025 
There was submitted a report by Independent Chair of Perth and Kinross
Child Protection Committee (G/25/81) providing a summary of the key
business activities of the Perth and Kinross Child Protection Committee (CPC)
since the last scheduled meeting of the Children, Young People and Families
Partnership (CYPFP) on 28 February 2025. 
The Chair referred the CPC Training Needs Analysis and queried if
engagement had occurred with the Third Sector.  B Atkinson confirmed that
there are some local and national organisations that are well engaged with the
work of the CPCP but advised that there had been a real challenge to engage
with some of the smaller groups.  B Atkinson added that further work would be
undertaken to help increase engagement across the third sector.   C McAuley

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advised that Children Protection was a feature at the recent Practitioner
Network and confirmed that there was a lot of third sector involvement which
should help build engagement. 
The Chair referred to the engagement events held in the communities and
recognised that participation levels had not been as high as hoped. The Chair
quired what CPC feel the next steps should be in terms of engagement. 
B Atkinson confirmed that the exercise overall was a success and referred to
the positive work with Letham4all in relation to the CPC’s involvement in the
community.  B Atkinson advised that next steps would include the focus on
rural areas out with Perth and Kinross that have not engaged to try and build
connections with the existing agencies working in the area. 
Councillor L Barrett suggested that it would be worth looking at areas such as
Crieff, Auchterarder, Blairgowrie and Crieff where there would be a large
school population and to help increase engagement with young people. 
The Chair referred to B Atkinson’s last meeting of the CYPFP. The Chair
thanked Bill for his all his work in his role and involvement in the partnership
over the years. The Chair wished B Atkinson well for the future. 
Resolved: 
The Partnership update from the CPC, be noted. 
6. Whole Family Wellbeing Fund Update 
There was submitted a report by Strategic Lead Children, Families and
Justice (G/25/82) providing a summary of the recent progress made in the
development and implementation of the Whole Family Wellbeing Fund
(WFWF) and includes details of the steps taken to transform holistic, whole
family support services across Perth and Kinross. 
Councillor L Barret thanked everyone for their involvement in supporting the
families and victims of the tragic events of the fire on Scott Street / South
Street junction on the weekend of 13 June 2025. Councillor L Barrett queried if
it would be anticipated that the events would have an impact on the fund.
C McAuley confirmed that there would not be a direct impact on the fund.
C McAuley stressed the importance of raising awareness and offering support
to access the variety of services that are available to those impacted by the
events. 
The Chair asked for C McAuley to expand on the aspect of evaluation.
C McAuley referred to the Annual Report, where data would be provided on
the number of families being supported. C McAuley referred to an upcoming
piece of work with poverty colleagues on preventative spend and advised that
as part of the exercise they had been asked to submit projects that they would
like evaluated to see if the long-term impact had been achieved through early
intervention. 
J Menzies suggested that it would be worthwhile to strengthen the links
between the whole system work programme and adult services. C McAuley

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welcomed J Menzies suggestion to help increase support to everyone in the
family. 
Resolved:
(i) The contents of the update report and proposed activities, be noted. 
(ii) The additional spending requests outlined in section 2.18 of Report G/25/82,
be approved. 
7. Thematic Approach to Performance Reporting 
There was submitted a report by the Strategic Lead, Children Families and
Justice (G/25/83) (1) continuing the thematic plan for performance and
outcome information focused on children, young people and families; and (2)
setting out a suite of information, focused on the first of the themes, namely
Health and Child Development, for consideration and scrutiny by the
Partnership. 
The Chair suggested that the Corporate Parenting Sub-Group look at piece of
work on the PKC unknown economic activity for carer leavers receiving
aftercare in sustained employment, education or training. T Glen raised his
concerns over the high level of unknown activity and asked if there could be
anything the wider Council could do to support. The Chair advised that
colleagues from employability services sit on the Promise Delivery Group and
confirmed that an update from the Group would be brought to a future meeting
of the Partnership. J Chiles advised that there could be further work done
around employability, but overall Perth and Kinross statistics are positive. J
Chiles added that the failure lies with systems and recording instead of a
failure in delivery of support. 
The Chair also referred to audit of the child concern reports and the audit had
shown there had been multiple duplications recorded on the system for the
same child. The Chair added that the new system should be able to show
data more accurately. 
Resolved:
(i) The information set out in Appendix 1 of Report G/25/83, be considered.
(ii) Guidance be provided to inform the future direction of thematic performance
reporting. 
(There followed a short recess and the meeting reconvened at 11.45am) 
8. Tayside Regional Improvement Collaborative – Report on Regional
Children’s Services Partnership Planning   
There was submitted a report by the Strategic Lead - Children, Families and
Justice (G/25/84) (1) providing the Partnership with an overview of Children’s
Services planning arrangements over the last several years, which had been
done on a Tayside basis; (2) outlining a number of challenges this has
presented in taking forward identified priority areas across the region, which
have resulted in local reporting of activity, with one exception; and (3)
advocating for the future of Children’s Services planning to be focused and

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aligned on priorities from a strategic needs assessment of Perth and Kinross;
with a move to developing a Perth and Kinross Integrated Children’s Services
Plan.   
The Chair confirmed that the report would also be submitted to the
Partnerships in Dundee and Angus for approval. 
Resolved:
(i) Formally cease having a Tayside Children’s Plan from 31 March 2026.
(ii) It be agreed to withdraw from the regional Tayside model and develop a
working group to coordinate a local Perth and Kinross Children’s Integrated
Services Plan covering the period 2026-2029.
(iii) Regional/local partners be instructed to focus on developing plans based on
local strategic needs assessments, which identify priorities as evidenced by
data and consultation. 
9.  Local Mental Health Pathway Resource - Update 
There was submitted a report by the Strategic Lead – Education and Learning
(G/25/85) updating on the work of the mental health pathway resource,
designed to give information on local, early intervention and support services
along with key self-help messages and therefore prevent unnecessary clinical
referrals; and (2) providing an update of the work achieved to date since the
previous report at CYP&FP on 14 June 2024. 
L Johnston shared a short video providing an overview of the parent portal
and E Harper delivered a short slide-based presentation on the usage
statistics of the site. The Chair thanked officers for their informative
presentation. 
Councillor M Frampton advised that she understood the reason to build a
website rather than an App but raised concerns over young people feeling that
they are not being listened to. Councillor M Frampton also queried if young
people use websites / apps to access the services they need. L Johnston
advised that the feedback received from young people confirmed that they did
not want to download several apps for each of the different aspects. L
Johnston confirmed that the website created for young people includes
different sections for different audiences so families, professionals or guidance
teachers would be able to go through the content of the website with the
young person. L Johnston agreed with Councillor M Frampton and advised
that it was vital to be honest with young people at the engagement sessions to
advise that the App would not be the most suitable option at this stage in light
of the functionality required. 
S Cooper raised concerns that individuals looking to access the website may
struggle if they do not have an email address.  E Harper advised that there
had not been an option to have the functionality of the website without
creating an account. E Harper added that she hoped that professionals would
be able to support young people if they were struggling to access the website.
E Harper suggested that if an individual contacts the service to say that they

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do not have an email address, they could be sent a code to access the
website instead. 
S Cooper suggested that it would be beneficial to see a breakdown of data in
the number of users.   
E Harper confirmed that work would be undertaken to promote, raise
awareness and highlight the benefits of the website. 
Resolved:
(i) The progress to date be noted and it be requested that the Community Mental
Health and Wellbeing Programme Manager purchases a WordPress website.
(ii) It be requested that the Strategic Lead – Education and Learning provides an
annual update to the CYP&FP at the meeting in June 2026. 
10.  Counselling in Schools Programme   
There was submitted a report by the Strategic Lead – Education and Learning
(G/25/86) providing an overview of the Perth and Kinross Council Counselling
in Schools programme for financial year 2024/25 to highlight key features of
the programme, the evaluative feedback, and the pilot work undertaken over
the reporting period. 
Councillor M Frampton queried if the statistics on social media bullying had
been broken down into during school times and out with school times. S Laing
confirmed that the data on the location of bullying had not been collected. S
Laing added that those presenting issues would come from a member of
school staff recording on a referral form or from an assessment session with a
counsellor. S Laing confirmed that work would be undertaken with schools
across Perth and Kinross to tackle the issues of social media bullying. 
The Chair raised concerns that 2/3 of referrals are female and queried if work
had been underway to reach out further to males. S Turner confirmed that the
area had been raised as part of discussions with Lighthouse and should form
part of the Strategic Mental Health Planning. S Turner advised that a male
perception of risk coping behaviour could be very different to a female and
therefore a different response would be required. S Turner confirmed that as
part of the groupwork with young people, a focus had been to try and make
counselling feel more acceptable and accessible. 
S Laing added that following at visit to one of the schools last year, she
received feedback from children who had participated in the intervention. S
Laing confirmed that some of the young boys had commented on how they
felt more comfortable to talk. 
S Turner confirmed that work had been underway with a provider event to
ensure that counsellors in schools are not working in isolation and that they
are part of the wider partnership approach. S Turner added that the next steps
would include working with schools further on when counselling would be the
correct course of action and at what point.

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Resolved:
(i) The proposals be considered and reviewed.
(ii) The Strategic Lead – Education and Learning bring back future ‘Counselling
in Schools’ programme reports for Scottish Government on an annual basis. 
11.  Carers Strategy 2023-2026 For Young and Adult Carers - Update 
There was submitted a report by the Strategic Lead – Children, Families and
Justice (G/25/87) providing an update on the progress towards the identified
outcomes in relation to supporting young carers in Perth and Kinross. 
Resolved:
(i) The progress made towards supporting young carers to achieve their potential
in Perth and Kinross, be noted.
(ii) The progress towards supporting parent carers in Perth and Kinross, be
noted. 
12.  Children, Young People and Families Partnership – Terms of Reference
– For Noting 
The Chair provided an updated version of the current Children, Young People
and Families Partnership Terms of Reference (G/25/88) following feedback
from members. 
The Chair suggested that future partnership meetings be held for three hours
due to the increasing size of the agenda. 
The Chair also reminded members that the next meeting of the Partnership in
September would be held in person. 
Resolved: 
The contents of the remit, be noted. 
13.  Third Sector Update – For noting 
There was submitted a report for noting by M Devlin (G/25/103) on the work of
the Third Sector.