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Perth and Kinross Council · 26 November 2025
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Perth and Kinross Council
Finance and Resources Committee
Employees Joint Consultative Committee 
Minute of hybrid meeting of the Employees Joint Consultative Committee held in the
Council Chambers, 2 High Street, Perth on Monday 16 June 2025 at 1.30pm. 
Present: Representing Perth and Kinross Council: 
Councillors K Allan, S McCole and J Rebbeck. 
Present: Representing Trade Unions: 
K Currie (Unite the Union) (up to and including Item 8)
S Topen-Cooper (NASUWT)
C Weston (EIS) 
In Attendance:  E Bayne, J Guild, P Johnstone, F MacKay, L McGeorge,
L Hamilton, F Thomson and S Turner. 
Apologies: N Ferry, S Hope, M Mackie and S Robertson. 
Councillor S McCole in the Chair. 
1. Welcome and Apologies 
Councillor McCole welcomed all present to the meeting and apologies were
noted as above. 
2. Declarations of Interest 
There were no declarations of interest made in terms of the Councillors’ Code
of Conduct. 
3. Minute of Meeting of Employees Joint Consultative Committee of
26 March 2025 
The minute of meeting of the Employees Joint Consultative Committee of
26 March 2025 was submitted and approved as a correct record. 
4. Matters Arising 
(i) Fair Work First 
P Johnstone advised that an exemption has been submitted and approved in
relation to Trainee Educational Psychologists who are funded via Scottish
Government and are not paid real living wage. 
P Johnstone advised work continues in conjunction with Unions with a view to
achieving a signed agreement for publication online.

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5. Health and Safety Performance Report Quarter 4 2024/25 – January –
March 2025 
There was a report submitted by the Corporate Health and Safety Team
Leader (G/25/74) informing and assisting the Employees Joint Consultative
Committee in monitoring health and safety compliance and performance
across Perth and Kinross Council and providing an overview of health and
safety activities undertaken. 
In response to a question from S Topen-Cooper regarding medication errors
made by staff and whether this is a training error, L Hamilton confirmed all
instances are thoroughly looked into and any training requirements
addressed. 
In response to a question from K Currie regarding an example of a medication
error, L Hamilton advised this is most often a double dose or missed dose by
teams working in clients’ homes. 
Resolved:
The contents of Report G/25/74, be noted. 
6. Fire Safety Quarterly Report – Quarter 4 2024/25 – January – March 2025 
There was a report submitted by the Corporate Health and Safety Team
Leader (G/25/75) informing and assisting the Employees Joint Consultative
Committee in monitoring fire safety performance across Perth and Kinross
Council and providing an overview of fire safety activities undertaken. 
Resolved:
The contents of Report G/25/75, be noted. 
7. Health and Wellbeing Update 
There was a report submitted by the People and Culture Manager (G/25/76)
providing an update on current Health and Wellbeing data and current Health
and Wellbeing activities. 
In response to a question from S Topen-Cooper regarding the Employee
Assistance Programme and access for staff out with work, E Bayne confirmed
all information is accessible via mobile phone or personal laptop and not
exclusively a PKC device.  E Bayne added that this is reflected in
communications to staff. 
Resolved:
The contents of Report G/25/76, be noted. 
8. Staff Reporting: Incidents of Violence/Aggression and incidents of
Distressed/Challenging Behaviour in Education Settings – Term 3
2024/25   
There was a report submitted by the Service Manager, Inclusion and
Additional Support and Inclusion Quality Improvement (G/25/77) informing

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Employees Joint Consultative Committee of the Education Service’s
performance in managing and reducing incidents of violence and aggression
or distressed and challenging behaviour that have impacted staff in the
workplace. The report provides a summary of the information gathered in
Term 3 of academic year 2024/2025 in relation to staff reports of incidents in
schools and other educational settings which had an emotional or physical
impact on them. It also provides information on the activity of an established
working group to prevent and reduce the number of incidents. 
There was a slide-based presentation by S Turner, Principal Educational
Psychologist, in relation to Relationships and Behaviour covering the journey
so far, individual needs, whole school development, workforce support and
development, partnerships, nurturing relationships and areas under
development. 
In response to a question from C Weston regarding partnerships with parents
unwilling to engage, S Turner acknowledged that this does make the process
more difficult, but staff will endeavour to ensure other positive partnerships are
established. 
In response to a question from S Topen-Cooper regarding work in relation to
social, emotional and behavioural needs, F Mackay advised this is an area of
priority as part of the ASN transformation work ongoing which will begin from
Term 1 of the next session throughout primary and secondary. 
In response to a question from Councillor McCole regarding consistent
messaging throughout all school years, S Turner confirmed it is of importance
that the whole school nurturing programme and key interventions cover 2-18
years.  S Turner added that the Bounce Back programme has also now been
extended into early years of secondary. 
In response to a question from C Weston regarding a zero tolerance
approach, F Mackay confirmed Scottish Government principles are followed to
set age appropriate boundaries and expectations.  F Mackay continued that
further national direction is awaited. 
Councillor McCole extended her thanks to S Turner for the informative
presentation. 
Resolved:
The contents of Report G/25/77, be noted. 
(K Currie left the meeting at this point.) 
9. Leadership Development Activity 
There was a report submitted by the Resourcing and Change Manager
(G/25/78) providing an update to Committee on recent and planned activity
designed to develop the skills and knowledge of our current and potential
leadership cohort.

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Resolved:
The contents of Report G/24/78, be noted and the plans outlined, be
endorsed. 
10. End Violence at Work Charter 
There was submitted a report by the Resourcing and Change Manager
(G/25/73) to gain agreement to the commitment to the Unison End Violence at
Work Charter. 
In response to a question from S Topen-Cooper whether it is PKC’s intention
to adopt a zero-tolerance approach towards violence, Councillor McCole
advised national guidance will continue to be followed but the Council’s
position can be considered and brought back to a future meeting. 
Resolved:
(i) The requirements of the Unison End Violence at Work Charter and the
evidence currently available indicating the Council’s compliance with these,
be noted.
(ii) The Council’s commitment to the requirements of the Charter, initially on the
basis of meeting these in full within 12 months of the date of the meeting, be
agreed. 
11. Employee Survey Update 
F Thomson, Resourcing and Change Manager, advised that the next
Employee Survey will go live in autumn of this year.  A working group is in
place with focuses on clarity of instruction to ensure all responses are
completed with equal intention, developing similar questions to the last survey
to allow trends to be established, and engagement promotion to maximise
completion. 
Resolved:
The Committee noted the update. 
12. Update to Employees Joint Consultative Committee Constitution 
There was submitted a report (G/25/79) amending the Employees Joint
Consultative Committee Constitution to reflect a change in Elected Member
membership from four members to three members, as agreed by Perth and
Kinross Council on 5 March 2025. 
Councillor McCole advised this is a regrettable change and will continue to
encourage an appointment with a view to increasing the Membership again in
future. 
Resolved: 
The updated constitution, be noted.

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13. Any Other Competent Business 
(i) Supreme Court Ruling 
P Johnstone advised on the recent Supreme Court Ruling in relation to the
Equality Act 2010.  P Johnstone confirmed that further updates are awaited
from the Equality and Human Rights Commission, but any staff impacted are
encouraged to seek additional support as required from HR or PKC’s
Equalities Team Lead. 
14. Date of Next Meeting 
Wednesday 17 September at 1.30pm in Room 410, 2 High Street, Perth.