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Minute of Previous Meeting of the Audit and Risk Committee of 11 December 2023 for Approval

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AUDIT AND RISK COMMITTEE 
Minute of Special Meeting of the Audit and Risk Committee held hybrid on Monday
11 December 2023 at 11.30am. 
Present: Councillors D Illingworth, L Barrett, A Chan, K Harvey, I MacPherson,
G Stewart, and C Stewart. 
In Attendance: C Mailer, Director (Strategy, People and Resources); L Simpson,
J Clark, S MacKenzie, S Walker, K Jamangile, K Molley, A Brown, and R Ramsay
(Strategy, People and Resources); F Crofts and L Potter (Communities); and
C Palmer (Education and Children’s Services) 
Also in Attendance: M Bruce and B Howarth, Audit Scotland 
Councillor D Illingworth, Convener, Presiding. 
1. WELCOME AND APOLOGIES/SUBSTITUTIONS 
The Convener welcomed everyone to the meeting. 
2. DECLARATIONS OF INTEREST 
There were no declarations of interest made in terms of the Councillors’ Code
of Conduct. 
3. MINUTE OF SPECIAL MEETING OF THE AUDIT AND RISK COMMITTEE
OF 30 OCTOBER 2023 FOR APPROVAL   
The minute of special meeting of the Audit and Risk Committee of 30 October
2023 was submitted and approved as a correct record. 
4. OUTSTANDING BUSINESS STATEMENT 
Resolved: 
The contents of the Outstanding Business Statement, be noted. 
5. DRAFT AUDITED 2022/23 ACCOUNTS AND DRAFT ANNUAL AUDIT
REPORT TO THE MEMBERS OF PERTH AND KINROSS COUNCIL AND
THE CONTROLLER OF AUDIT FOR THE YEAR ENDED 31 MARCH 2023 
There was submitted a report by Head of Finance (23/363) presenting the
Council’s draft Audited 2022/23 Annual Accounts in accordance with the Local
Authority Accounts (Scotland) Regulations 2014 and draft 2022/23 Annual Audit
Report. 
In response to a question from Councillor C Stewart, B Howarth, Audit
Scotland, advised that the Local Government Financial Overview detailing the
relative borrowing levels across Local Authorities would be shared with members
when made available. B Howarth added that house building across Scottish Councils

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had increased over the last 5 years which would suggest an increase in associated
debt. 
In response to a question from Councillor K Harvey regarding resourcing
issues, B Howarth confirmed that concerns over staffing resources had been an
increasing issue in Scotland across all public bodies. B Howarth advised that it had
been difficult over recent years to recruit agency and temporary staff to supplement
peak periods over the Summer and the graduate programme had reduced to a
quarter of the number of applicants. However, B Howarth added that Audit Scotland
recruit up to 15 trainees a year to help increase the number of qualified staff into the
organisation and ongoing work continues to look at ways to increase recruitment into
the Audit sector. 
In response to a question from Councillor I MacPherson regarding unusable
reserves, S MacKenzie confirmed that those reserves such as the Pension Fund and
the Capital Adjustment Account are accounting and technical adjustments. 
Councillor D Illingworth queried if the recommendations detailed in the audit
would have a material impact on the daily running of the Council. S Mackenzie
advised that work would be undertaken with the Auditors regarding valuations going
forward as part of the presentation of the accounts rather than have effect on the
day-to-day decision making in terms of the allocation of resources. S Mackenzie
confirmed that from the accounts there did not seem to be a significant impact on the
cash position as the uncommitted reserves had not changed. 
Members thanked S MacKenzie, S Walker and the Finance Team for their
work in producing the accounts and J Clark and her team for completing the audit. 
Members thanked M Bruce and B Howarth, Audit Scotland, for their
informative report. 
Resolved:
(i) The Audited 2022/23 Annual Accounts detailed in Appendix 1 of Report
23/363, be approved.
(ii) The Leader of the Council, the Chief Executive and the Head of Finance be
authorised to sign the Audited 2022/23 Annual Accounts and the Head of
Finance be authorised to sign the Letter of Representation.
(iii) The contents of Audit Scotland’s Draft 2022/23 Annual Audit Report detailed
in section 6.3 of Report 23/363, be noted. 
THE VICE-CONVENER LED ON THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. 
6. INTERNAL AUDIT FOLLOW UP   
There was submitted a report by Chief Internal Auditor (23/364) presenting a
current summary of Internal Audit’s ‘follow up’ work relating to actions due for
completion up to October 2023. 
Resolved:
The current position in respect of the agreed actions arising from Internal
Audit’s work, be noted.

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7. INTERNAL AUDIT UPDATE 
There was submitted a report by Chief Internal Auditor (23/365) presenting a
summary of Internal Audit’s work undertaken as part of the Internal Audit Plans for
2022/23 and 2023/24. 
In response to a question from Councillor C Stewart regarding the further
areas of unplanned investigatory work which had arisen during the audit year, J
Clark confirmed that the work would vary on a case-by-case basis but would usually
arise form contact with Services which may be of a whistleblowing nature or areas
for improvement which require further investigations. 
Resolved:
The progress with Internal Audit activity, be noted. 
THE CONVENER LED ON THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. 
8. BEST VALUE THEMATIC REVIEW 
There was a report submitted (23/366) setting out the findings and two
recommendations for improvement contained in the Perth and Kinross Council’s
Best Value Thematic Review Report 2022/23. 
In response to a question from Councillor L Barrett regarding the level of
concern over budget setting for 2024/25 and the indicative budgets for future years,
B Howarth confirmed that Perth and Kinross Council should be fairly concerned.
Perth and Kinross Council face similar concerns to other Local Authorities in trying to
find a solution to a funding gap. B Howarth added that many Councils increased their
reserves during the pandemic because of Government funding and as that started to
reduce there had been a reduction in general funds. B Howarth added there are a
substantial planned use of reserves going forward compared to what sits in usable
reserves. B Howarth confirmed that Audit Scotland would monitor the outturn in the
current year, the budget planning process, and the outcome of the budget for next
year. 
In response to a question from Councillor L Barrett regarding the alignment of
the LOIP objectives with the Corporate Plan Objectives, C Mailer advised the LOIP
had been created to tackle inequalities and the Corporate Plan to focus on the wider
Council priorities. C Mailer added that work had been ongoing with the Community
Planning Partnership to review progress against the LOIP, and C Mailer confirmed
that the area would continue to be monitored. In response to a further question from
Councillor L Barrett regarding if there had been a focus on enhancing the
explicitness of Improvemnet Plans, C Mailer confirmed that work had been underway
following a previous action from the Scrutiny and Performance Committee for better
reporting in terms of where the Council hadn’t performed as well and a clearer link to
what the improvement actions are. 
In response to a question from the Convener regarding the Local Government
Benchmarking Framework and the weighting of the 62 values, B Howarth advised
that there are two aspects to the overall assessment. He added that when using the
wider tool (LGBF) and ranking the Council against those measures then it does treat

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the non-cost measures equally. B Howarth confirmed that the Auditors also assess
what the Council priorities are and assess how the Council are doing against its own
priorities. B Howarth confirmed it would be expected for the local priority setting and
performance monitoring in the Council to reflect the difference of what LGBF says
generally and would be deemed important to the Council. 
In response to a question from Councillor C Stewart regarding the Council
reviewing and updating their approach to community engagement and empowerment
as part of our Transformation and Change Programme and the ongoing audit of
Community Engagement, J Clark advised that the audit being undertaken on
Community Engagement would reflect a lot of the changing landscape and would be
reported back to the Audit and Risk Committee. 
In resposne to a question from Councillor C Stewart regarding the figures of
participatory budgeting, B Howarth confirmed that the figures and calculations would
be checked and reported back to members. 
Resolved:
(i) The contents of Audit Scotland’s Best Value Thematic Review Report, be
noted.
(ii) Updates on progress against improvements will be reported through the
Council’s Annual Performance Report, be noted. 
IT WAS AGREED THAT THE PUBLIC AND PRESS SHOULD BE EXCLUDED
DURING CONSIDERATION OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS IN ORDER TO AVOID
THE DISCLOSURE OF INFORMATION WHICH IS EXEMPT IN TERMS OF
SCHEDULE 7A TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT (SCOTLAND) ACT 1973 AND
S30 OF THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION (SCOTLAND) ACT 2002. 
P1.  INTERNAL AUDIT REPORT – INFORMATION SECURITY 
The was a report submitted (23/367) detailing an audit undertaken to evaluate
the adequacy and effectiveness of controls over information assets and PKC
compliance with Information Security Standards. 
Resolved: 
The contents of report 23/397, be noted.