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Securing the future… • Improving services 
• Enhancing quality of life • Making the best use of public
resources 
Council Building
2 High Street
Perth
PH1 5PH 
20/06/2024 
A hybrid meeting of the Audit and Risk Committee will be held in the Council
Chamber on Wednesday, 07 December 2022 at 10:00. 
If you have any queries please contact Committee Services on (01738) 475000 or
email Committee@pkc.gov.uk. 
THOMAS GLEN
Chief Executive 
Those attending the meeting are requested to ensure that all notifications are
silent on their device and other devices are in silent mode. 
Please note that the meeting will be broadcast online and recorded.  The
recording will be publicly available on the Council’s website following the
meeting. 
Members:
Councillor David Illingworth  (Convener)
Councillor Andy Chan  (Vice-Convener)
Councillor Liz Barrett
Councillor Ken Harvey
Councillor Iain MacPherson
Councillor Colin Stewart
Councillor Grant Stewart
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Audit and Risk Committee 
Wednesday, 07 December 2022 
AGENDA 
MEMBERS ARE REMINDED OF THEIR OBLIGATION TO DECLARE ANY
FINANCIAL OR NON-FINANCIAL INTEREST WHICH THEY MAY HAVE IN ANY
ITEM ON THIS AGENDA IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE COUNCILLORS’ CODE
OF CONDUCT. 
1 WELCOME AND APOLOGIES/SUBSTITUTES   
2 DECLARATIONS OF INTEREST   
3 MINUTE OF MEETING OF THE AUDIT AND RISK COMMITTEE
OF 27 SEPTEMBER 2022 FOR APPROVAL
(copy herewith) 
5 - 12 
4 OUTSTANDING BUSINESS STATEMENT
(copy herewith 22/299) 
13 - 14 
5 INTERNAL AUDIT FOLLOW UP
Report by Chief Internal Auditor (copy herewith 22/300) 
15 - 16 
6 INTERNAL AUDIT UPDATE
Report by Chief Internal Auditor (copy herewith 22/301) 
17 - 20 
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AUDIT AND RISK COMMITTEE 
Minute of Meeting of the Audit and Risk Committee held hybrid on Tuesday
27 September 2022 at 10.00am. 
Present: Councillors D Illingworth, L Barrett, A Chan, M Frampton (substituting for
Councillor S McCole), K Harvey, N Khogali, I MacPherson, C Stewart and G Stewart. 
In Attendance: J Clark, D Coyne, S MacKenzie, A O’Brien, S Walker, K Molley,
A Brown and M Pasternak; (Corporate and Democratic Services); S Coyle and
J McCrone (Communities); and J Cockburn and F MacKay (Education and
Children’s Services). 
Also in Attendance: C Batchelor and M Wilkie (KPMG) 
Apologies: Councillors B Brawn and S McCole 
Councillor D Illingworth, Convener, Presiding. 
1. WELCOME AND APOLOGIES/SUBSTITUTIONS 
The Convener welcomed everyone to the meeting and apologies were noted
as above.   
2. DECLARATIONS OF INTEREST 
There were no declarations of interest made in terms of the Councillors’ Code
of Conduct. 
3. MINUTE OF MEETING OF THE AUDIT AND RISK COMMITTEE OF
28 JUNE 2022 FOR APPOVAL   
The minute of meeting of the Audit and Risk Committee of 28 June 2022 was
submitted and approved as a correct record.   
4. OUTSTANDING BUSINESS STATEMENT 
Resolved: 
The Outstanding Business Statement, be noted. 
5. DRAFT AUDITED 2021/22 ANNUAL ACCOUNTS DRAFT ANNUAL AUDIT
REPORT TO THE MEMBERS OF PERTH & KINROSS COUNCIL AND THE
CONTROLLER OF AUDIT FOR THE YEAR ENDED 31 MARCH 2022   
There was submitted a report by Head of Finance (22/237) presenting the
Council’s draft Audited Annual Accounts for the financial year 2021/22 in accordance
with the Local Authority Accounts (Scotland) Regulations 2014. 
M Wilkie, KPMG, gave a detailed summary of the report. 
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In response to a question from Councillor L Barrett regarding preparations
around the componentisation of infrastructure assets, S Walker advised that it was a
national issue and would continue to be monitored closely.  In response to another
question from Councillor L Barrett on the unadjusted audit difference of £6.8m in
relation to the additional obsolescence of external works, S MacKenzie advised that
this would not have an impact on the External Auditor’s opinion of the accounts.  He
added for this issue to be corrected at a late stage, several other significant changes
would need to be made to the Council’s accounts.  It was accepted that this matter
would appear in the report and would be discussed with auditors to ensure there was
a common understanding. 
In response to a question from Councillor L Barrett regarding the review of all
SLA’s between ALEO’s, S MacKenzie advised that work would be progressed and
form part of the discussions around the budget at the upcoming meeting of full
Council. 
In response to a question from G Stewart regarding cyber resilience and
ensuring processes are robust, J Clark advised that this was part on the annual
governance statement which was considered in June 2022.  She added that
information and security specialists within Legal and Governance Services continue
to review the Council’s resilience and information governance arrangements and
ensure processes are fit for purpose.  In terms of being robust, the Council compares
arrangements with other public sector organisations to ensure they are achieving
with resources that are permitted. 
In response to a question from Councillor C Stewart regarding the opinion of
the Chief Internal Auditor and the different levels of reliance, J Clark advised that
there is one level above reasonable which is substantial and there are also several
lower levels of reliance.  She added that one of the reasons why she wouldn’t be
able to give a substantial opinion is due to the level of coverage that can be
undertaken across all systems.  She added that a risk-based internal audit
programme is carried out but the whole organisation is not covered every year. 
J Clark advised reasonable reliance is what the organisation would aim to achieve as
significant more resources would be needed to meet the level of substantial. 
In response to a question from Councillor C Stewart regarding the project
governance arrangements in place for significant capital projects, M Wilkie advised
that capital project governance had been analysed for current and previous years
and there have been no deficiencies found.  However, the risk continues to increase
due to fluctuations and costs in the environment which heightens the need for more
transparent scrutiny of all capital projects. 
In response to a question from Councillor D Illingworth, M Wilkie advised that
the recommendation highlighted in the audit is not a reflection of Perth and Kinross
Council’s performance but is a sector wide issue which would affect the majority of
local authorities to an extent. 
Members congratulated the finance team for preparing the accounts and for
their accuracy and attention to detail. Members also thanked KPMG for their years of
service to Perth and Kinross Council. 
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Resolved:
(i) The Leader of the Council, the Chief Executive and the Head of Finance be
authorised to sign the Audited 2021/22 Annual Accounts and the Head of
Finance be authorised to sign the letter of Representation. 
(ii) The contents of KPMG’s Draft Annual Audit Report to the Members of Perth &
Kinross Council and the Controller of Audit for the year ended 31 March 2022,
be noted.   
M WILKIE AND C BATCHELOR (KPMG) LEFT THE MEETING AT THIS POINT. 
THERE WAS A 10 MINUTE BREAK AND THE MEETING RECONVENED AT
10.40AM. 
6. INTERNAL AUDIT FOLLOW UP 
There was submitted a report by the Chief Internal Auditor (22/242)
presenting a summary of Internal Audit’s ‘follow up’ work relating to actions due for
completion up to August 2022. 
In response to a question from Councillor C Stewart regarding checks
undertaken on the implementation of actions, J Clark advised that where possible
checks are undertaken as part of the follow up work or would be rolled forward. She
added that the team are not fully resourced to undertake an effectiveness review of
all activity. 
Resolved:
The current position in respect of the agreed actions arising from Internal
Audit’s work, be noted. 
7. INTERNAL AUDIT UPDATE 
There was submitted a report by the Chief Internal Auditor (22/243)
presenting a summary of Internal Audit’s work undertaken as part of the Internal
Audit Plans for 2020/21 and 2021/22. 
In response to a question from Councillor C Stewart regarding staffing
resources, J Clark advised that the Senior Internal Auditor post had been vacant for
three years with two rounds of recruitment being unsuccessful. However, she
advised that the Senior Internal Auditor post had been readvertised and interviews
were being held the following week. 
In response to a comment from Councillor C Stewart regarding the risk of
staffing issues, J Clark advised that internal audit work on a risk basked approach to
cover the significant risks of the organisation. She added that staffing resources
have not been raised as a risk by external auditors due to the management of
resources and reliance of assurance from other agencies. Information gathered then
feeds into the Internal Audit Plan and Internal Audit Opinion.   
Members thanked Internal Audit for their work and referred to J Clark for her
management of resources and prioritisation. 
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Resolved:
The progress with Internal Audit activity from June 2022, be noted. 
(i) COMMUNITIES 
(i)(a) 22-01 LEADER 
There was submitted a report by Chief Internal Auditor (22/244)
on an audit to review regulatory compliance for the LEADER
projects. 
Resolved:
The contents of report 22/244, be noted. 
9. INTERNAL AUDIT PLAN 2022/23 
There was submitted a report by the Chief Internal Auditor (22/245)
presenting the strategy for the delivery of Internal Audit and the proposed approach
for the direction of planned Internal Audit work for 2022/23. 
In response to a question from Councillor L Barrett regarding the Mosiac
system, J Clark advised that Mosiac is a key system to the organisation which is
being developed and implemented to replace the information system SWIFT. 
In response to a question from Councillor C Stewart regarding the seven
internal audits planned in relation to the Strategic Risk Register, J Clark that there
are slightly fewer planned than previous years, but the risk areas identified would still
be covered. 
Resolved:  
The strategy and plan for 2022/23, be approved. 
10. NATIONAL FRAUD INITIATIVE OUTCOMES 2020/21 AND
PREPARATIONS 2022/23 
There was submitted a report by the Chief Internal Auditor (22/246) (1)
presenting the reported findings of the 2020/21 National Fraud Initiative (NFI)
exercise and (2) outlining the preparations currently underway in respect of the
2022/23 exercise. 
In response to a question from Councillor C Stewart regarding the Electoral
Register and if the edited version is available in Perth and Kinross, J Clark advised
that the requirements from NFI are for the full version of the Register to be shared
but the organisation are not able to do so.  The publicly available Electoral Register
is used as part of extended checks that are undertaken along with credit reference
agencies.  In response to another question from Councillor C Stewart regarding the
decision made by other local authorities to share information, J Clark advised that
some changes were made to data regulations.  Advice had been sought from legal
officers in Perth and Kinross and they advised that changes were not sufficient to
permit data being shared. 
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Resolved:
(i) The outcomes as reported within the National Audit Scotland report of the
National Fraud Initiative 2020/21, be noted.
(ii) The work undertaken in preparation for the 2022/23 exercise, be noted.
(iii) The section of Audit Scotland’s self-appraisal checklist relating to those
charged with governance at Appendix A of report 22/246, be approved. 
IT WAS AGREED THAT THE PUBLIC AND PRESS SHOULD BE EXCLUDED
DURING CONSIDERATION OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS IN ORDER TO AVOID
THE DISCLOSURE OF INFORMATION WHICH IS EXEMPT IN TERMS OF
SCHEDULE 7A TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT (SCOTLAND) ACT 1973. 
P1. EDUCATION AND CHILDREN’S SERVICES 
(a) VIOLENCE AND AGRESSION 
There was submitted a report by Chief Internal Auditor (22/247)
presenting an audit in response to a grievance by letter, from a
member of staff to a school Headteacher relating to an incidence of
violence and aggression by a pupil. 
Resolved:
The contents of report 22/247, be noted. 
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Appendix 1
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NOT FOR PUBLICATION BY VIRTUE
OF PARA 15 OF PART 1 OF
SCHEDULE 7A OF THE 1973 ACT. 
P1.  EDUCATION AND CHILDREN’S SERVICES 
(a)  Violence and Aggression 
There was submitted a report by Chief Internal Auditor (22/247) presenting an
audit in response to a grievance by letter, from a member of staff to a school
Headteacher relating to an incidence of violence and aggression by a pupil. 
In response to a question from Councillor C Stewart regarding the whistle-
blower and if they had been contacted regarding the audit, J Clark advised that the
whistle-blower had been involved in the internal audit findings of the report and the
HR process. The whistle-blower then received the draft and final reports of the audit.   
In response to a question from Councillor C Stewart regarding a pattern in
challenging behaviour, J Clark advised that from Internal audit’s review, there were
several challenging behaviours found over a period. She added that it was a very
complex case and Education, and Children’s Services were involved in supporting
the young person. 
In response to a question from Councillor C Stewart regarding the process of
reporting incidents and if a change would be required, F Mackay advised that the
incident took place prior to the use of the DASH reporting system being fully
embedded. It is now fully embedded. She added that the system allows incidents to
be monitored, reported and resolved more efficiently, creating greater security. Once
an incident of distressed behaviour has been reported by a member of staff, the
system automatically notifies a member of Senior Management who would then
decide on the necessary action. 
In response to a question from Councillor N Khogali regarding the focus on
reporting incidents and if it leads to fewer incidents, F MacKay advised that it does
enabled a focus on prevention in relation to the children and staff involved and
supports an awareness in schools of challenging behaviour which is also very
important in reducing incidents. In response to another question from Councillor N
Khogali regarding the effectiveness of the whistle-blower system, J Clark advised
that issues reported had been addressed by changing processes and staff are
reporting incidents effectively. F MacKay added that the Violence and Aggression
Working Group focuses on improvement and has representation from schools,
health and safety and Unions and Professional Bodies to reduce the number of
challenging behavioural incidents recorded. 
In response to a question from Councillor I MacPherson regarding staff
undertaking CALM training, F MacKay advised that through CALM, staff are trained
to use de-escalation approaches such as distraction methods to help reduce the
number of challenging behaviour incidents. Staff should only use CALM measures if
they are fully trained. Ongoing support and refresher training are also provided.  
In response to a question from Councillor C Stewart regarding headteachers
and if they are required to inform teachers to report behavioural incidents through the
DASH reporting system, F MacKay advised that regular reminders are sent to
schools. 
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In response to a question from Councillor C Stewart regarding information
collated, F MacKay advised that regular reports are brought to the Joint Negotiating
Committee for Teaching Staff and the Joint Consultative Committee highlighting
incidents of challenging behaviour throughout schools on a term basis. F MacKay
advised that data collated showed around 300 incidents in schools in Perth and
Kinross in term 4. Councillor C Stewart asked for information to be circulated to
members on the number of challenging behaviour incidents that had been repeated
in term 4. 
Resolved: 
The contents of report 22/47, be noted. 
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AUDIT AND RISKCOMMITTEE 
OUTSTANDING BUSINESS STATEMENT (OBS) 
(Report No 22/299) 
Please note that this statement sets out outstanding decisions of this committee along with an update and estimated completion date.  Actions
which are overdue are shaded for ease of reference.  Where an update reflects that an action is complete then the Committee’s agreement will be
sought to its removal from the OBS. 
No  Minute
Reference
Subject Title Outstanding
Action
Update  Lead Officer
/Service
Action 
due
Action
Expected
2. 27 September
2022.
Item P1.
ECS – Violence
and Aggression
Provide
information on the
number of
challenging
behaviour
repeated incidents
throughout schools
in Perth and
Kinross in Term 4. 
Email response was
circulated to members. 
COMPLETED 
Fiona MacKay 7
December
2022 
7
December
2022 
4
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PERTH AND KINROSS COUNCIL 
AUDIT & RISK COMMITTEE 
7 DECEMBER 2022 
INTERNAL AUDIT FOLLOW UP 
Report by Chief Internal Auditor
(Report No. 22/300) 
1. PURPOSE 
1.1 This report presents a current summary of Internal Audit’s ‘follow up’ work
relating to actions due for completion up to November 2022. 
2. RECOMMENDATION 
2.1 It is recommended that the Committee notes the current position in respect of
the agreed actions arising from Internal Audit’s work. 
3. STRUCTURE OF REPORT 
3.1 This report is structured over the following sections: 
• Section 4:  Background
• Section 5:  Follow Up Outcomes 
4. BACKGROUND 
4.1 The Public Sector Internal Audit Standards (PSIAS) require the Chief Internal
Auditor to establish a follow-up process to monitor and ensure that
management actions have been effectively implemented.   
4.2 Internal Audit request evidence from Services which confirms that actions
have been implemented and, therefore, controls have been improved. 
5. FOLLOW UP OUTCOMES 
5.1 There were 27 actions arising from Internal Audit reports. Of these, 4 had a
completion date of September 2022. Evidence has been provided that all 4
actions have been completed. There were no actions with a completion date
in October or November 2022.   
Author
Name  Designation Contact Details
Jackie Clark Chief Internal Auditor InternalAudit@pkc.gov.uk 
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PERTH AND KINROSS COUNCIL 
AUDIT & RISK COMMITTEE 
7 DECEMBER 2022 
INTERNAL AUDIT UPDATE 
Report by Chief Internal Auditor
(Report No. 22/301) 
1. PURPOSE 
1.1 This report presents a summary of Internal Audit’s work undertaken as part of
the Internal Audit Plans for 2021/22 and 2022/23. 
2. RECOMMENDATION 
2.1 It is recommended that the Committee notes progress with Internal Audit
activity. 
3. STRUCTURE OF REPORT 
3.1 This report is structured over the following sections: 
• Section 4:  Background
• Section 5:  Progress Update
• Appendix 
4. BACKGROUND 
4.1 The Public Sector Internal Audit Standards (PSIAS) require that the Chief
Internal Auditor reports periodically to the Audit Committee on internal audit
activity and on performance relative to the approved plan. 
4.2 Work has continued on assignments from Perth & Kinross Council’s Internal
Audit Plans. In addition, work has continued to be undertaken in connection
with the Internal Audit provision for the Integration Joint Board. 
4.3 Work has commenced to support the forthcoming National Fraud Initiative
exercise, with all relevant datasets having been uploaded in preparation for
the release of data matches for investigating to commence in January 2023.   
4.4 The team are also involved with a whistleblowing disclosure. If there are any
control issues highlighted as a result of this investigation, these will be
considered for reporting to a future meeting of the Audit & Risk Committee. 
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5. PROGRESS UPDATE 
5.1 The Service has been successful in recruiting to the Senior Auditor post and
the scheduling of assignments from the Internal Audit Plan is being reviewed
accordingly. 
5.2 Appendix 1 shows the status of audits arising from the Internal Audit Plans,
together with those assignments which will continue into 2022/23. 
Authors
Name  Designation Contact Details
Jackie Clark  Chief Internal Auditor InternalAudit@pkc.gov.uk 
APPENDICES 
• Appendix 1 Internal Audit Activity 
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Appendix 1
INTERNAL AUDIT UPDATE
Internal Audit Activity 
Audit
No.
Title Lead Service(s) Status as at
November
2022
Audit
Committee
2021/22    
A21-05 Tay Cities Deal Communities Draft report
issued
March
2023
A21-07 Agency Workers Communities Draft report
issued
March
2023
2022/23    
A22-01 LEADER Communities Completed September
2022
A22-02 Climate Change Communities Ongoing 
A22-03 Partnership Working All Ongoing 
C22-04 Mosaic Corporate  
A22-05 Community
Engagement
Communities  
A22-06 IT Assets Corporate &
Democratic
Services  
C22-07 Transformation
Reviews
Corporate Ongoing 
A22-08 Payroll Corporate &
Democratic
Services  
G22-09 Bus Service
Operators Grant
Communities       
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