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North Lanarkshire Council · 10 September 2024
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Education, Children and Families Committee  -  Tuesday, 10 September 2024 
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Tuesday, 10 September 2024 at 14:00 PM. 
A Meeting of the EDUCATION, CHILDREN AND FAMILIES COMMITTEE 
PRESENT  
Councillors McBride (Convener); Baudo (Vice Convener); Ballinger, Barclay, Boyd, Brannan-McVey,
Burgess, Carragher, M Coyle, S Coyle, Currie, Di Mascio, Dunbar, Fotheringham, T Johnston, Jones, Kelly,
Khan, Lennon, Loughran, Masterton, McCluskey, B McCulloch, McDade, McKay, McKendrick, McPake,
McVey, Reddin, Robinson, Smith, A Stubbs, Toner and Wilson.  
ALSO PRESENT  
In accordance with Standing Order 64(A) Councillors Mitchell, Bustard, Brennan and McCrory attended as
substitutes for Councillors Ashraf, Costello, McManus and Patton respectively.  
CHAIR  
Councillor McBride (Convener) presided.  
IN ATTENDANCE  
Chief Officer (Education - South); Chief Officer (Education - North); Chief Officer (Children, Families, Justice
and Integrated Practice); Business Finance Manager; Senior Education and Families Manager; Principal
Psychologist; Learning and Improvement Manager; Operations Manager Inclusion and Early Years;
Principal Officer and Democratic Manager. 
APOLOGIES  
Councillors Ashraf, Costello, Larson, McManus and Patton.   
In terms of Standing Order 15, Councillor Lennon moved that an urgent item of business
be added to the agenda to enable consideration of the petition on school transport.    
Councillor McBride advised that in terms of Standing Order 15 it would not be competent
to discuss the petition as it was being dealt with in accordance with the procedure agreed
by the Council on 9 June 2022, and a report would be presented to the next meeting of
the Committee.   
1 Declarations of Interest In Terms of the Ethical Standards In Public Life Etc. (Scotland)
Act 2000
The meeting noted that there were no declarations. 
2 Minute - Education Employee Appeals Sub-Committee - 7 June 2024
There was submitted the minute of the Education Employee Appeals Sub Committee held on 7
June 2024 for approval.

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Decided: that the minute of the Education Employee Appeals Sub Committee, held on 7 June
2024, be approved. 
3 Educational Psychology Standards and Quality Highlights 2023-24
There was submitted a joint report by the Chief Officer (Education - North) and the Chief Officer
(Education - South) (1) evidencing the high quality of service delivery during 2023/24; (2) setting
out details of how the educational psychologists deliver their statutory core function; (3) informing
of the adaptations made to the psychological offering for session 2023/24 in response to the
continued impact of the pandemic and the rising levels of Additional Support Needs, and (4)
highlighting the positive impact of the interventions for children, families and practitioners to
improve outcomes.  
During discussion on this matter a question was asked to which officers committed to respond
outwith the meeting namely:-  
"Of the 26% of children who are recognised as having difficulties and the 100 parents who
attended the workshops, how do the 100 parents who attended compare with the 26% who require
a home/school intervention?" (Councillor Loughran)  
Decided: that the contents of the report be endorsed. 
4 1140 Early Learning and Childcare Update
There was submitted a joint report by the Chief Officer (Education - North) and Chief Officer
(Education - South) (1) providing an update on the 1140 hours Early Learning and Childcare (ELC)
Expansion Programme within North Lanarkshire; (2) setting out the progress of minor adaptations
and improvements across the ELC estate; (3) providing an update in relation to Heathery Park
Family Learning Centre; (4) informing of the progress in relation to the realignment of staffing to
the agreed model and the ELC quality improvement; (5) summarising updates on admissions,
deferred entry and cross boundaries; (6) explaining the rationale for increasing the sustainable
rate for ELC and (7) detailing the statutory duty to consult with parents/carers to support future
improvements in ELC.  
Councillor Wilson requested that future reports include an update on the adaptation works being
undertaken at Craigneuk Family Learning Centre, which was agreed.  
Decided: 
(1) that the position regarding Heathery Park Family Learning Centre be endorsed;  
(2) that the progress of the programme of minor adaptations and improvements be acknowledged;  
(3) that the progress in relation to the realignment of staffing to the agreed model be
acknowledged;  
(4) that the progress in relation to ELC quality improvement be acknowledged;  
(5) that the admissions, deferred entry and cross boundary updates be acknowledged;  
(6) that the increase to the sustainable rate for ELC be endorsed, and  
(7) that the statutory duty to consult with parents/carers to support future improvements in ELC be
acknowledged.     
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Resilient People and Brighter Furtures - Progress in Relation to Community Learning and
Developement Activity
There was submitted a report by the Chief Social Work Officer (Children, Families, Justice and
Integrated Practice) (1) providing an overview on progress in relation to community learning and
development activity during 2023/24; (2) informing of universal and targeted work, which has an
emphasis on engagement with vulnerable people living in the lowest 20% data zones in Scotland
which is reflected in the national self-evaluation framework for community learning and
development and (3) attaching, as an appendix to the report, the Community Learning and
Development Action Plan for 2022/25.  
Decided: that the contents of the report be endorsed. 
6 Getting It Right for Children in Conflict with the Law
With reference to paragraph 11 of the minute of the meeting of this Committee held on 28 February
2023, when, inter alia, it was agreed that Early and Effective Intervention (EEI) be integrated with
the Council's approach to Getting it Right for Every Child (GIRFEC), there was submitted a report
by the Chief Social Work Officer (Education, Families, Justice and Integrated Practice) (1)
providing an update on the development of an in-house youth work response to EEI to enhance
holistic supports to young people and their families; (2) summarising some of the key changes,
together with the implications for children and young people, introduced by the Children (Care and
Justice) (Scotland) Act 2024; (3) advising that the Act defines a child as anyone under the age of
18 and, therefore, extends the benefits and protections of the welfare-based children's hearing
system to 16 and 17 year olds, and removes most children from the adult court system; (4) stating
that this aligns with the values of trauma-informed and rights-based working that underpins the
way the Council works, as articulated in the Children's Services Plan 2023/26, and (5) highlighting
a number of actions and next steps in the Council's approach to supporting young people in conflict
with the law.  
During discussion on this matter, a question was asked to which officers committed to respond
outwith the meeting namely:-  
"Can statistics be provided on the number of attacks on teachers by pupils within North
Lanarkshire?" (Councillor Lennon)  
Decided: that the approach to supporting young people in conflict with the law, as set out in
section 2 of the report, be endorsed. 
7 Embedding the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC) and
Realising Children's Rights in North Lanarkshire - Update
There was submitted a report by the Chief Social Work Officer (Education, Families, Justice and
Integrated Practice) (1) providing an update on activity to support and strengthen the realisation
of children's rights in North Lanarkshire and on the relevant legislative and the expectations of
public bodies further to the commencement of duties under the United Nations Convention on the
Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Act 2024 (UNCRC) from 16 July 2024; (2) advising
that, following Committee approval in May 2023 on embedding UNCRC, internal systems were in
place to support children's rights, woven through strategic aims, action plans and professional
standards ensuring the Council meets the specific obligations under legislation; (3) intimating that
supporting guidance had been strengthened, and (4) summarising planned next steps and actions
within paragraph 2.23 of the report.  
Decided: 
(1) that the next steps, as outlined in paragraph 2.23 of the report, be approved, and  
(2) that the contents of the report be endorsed.

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8 Annual Bad Debt Write-Off Exercise
There was submitted a report by the Chief Officer (Education - North) (1) summarising outstanding
debtor accounts deemed uncollectable, following all attempts at recovery, or considered to be
uneconomically viable to continue pursuing; (2) advising that the Chief Officer (Education - North)
and the Chief Officer (Finance), in terms of their delegated authority, had written off debts with a
value under £500 amounting to £2,778.05, and (3) seeking approval to write off debts with a value
greater than £500 amounting to £12,977.53.  
Decided:  
(1) that the decision of the Chief Officer (Education - North) and the Chief Officer (Finance), under
delegated authority, to write-off debts with a value under £500 totalling £2,778.05, be noted;  
(2) that the write-off of £12,977.53 for debts with a value greater than £500 be approved, and 
(3) that the report be remitted to the Finance and Resources Committee. 
9 Revenue Budget Monitoring Report
There was submitted a report by the Chief Officer (Education - North) (1) providing a summary of
the financial performance of the Education, Children and Families Service for the period from 1
April to 19 July 2024 (Period 4), and (2) illustrating the projected outturn position as at 31 March
2025, with major outturn variances highlighted and explained as per the Council's financial
regulations.  
During discussion on the matter, a question was asked to which officers committed to respond
outwith the meeting namely:-  
"In relation to the underspend, what is the breakdown of ASN and Gaelic Education?" (Councillor
Loughran)  
Councillor Lennon, seconded by Councillor Di Mascio, moved as an amendment:-  
"This Council agrees to extend the report recommendation of home to school contractual
expenditure to include:-  
1. Pause the current school transport cuts until a thorough review can be conducted.  
2. Initiate a comprehensive review of the safe walking routes, including input from parents,
schools, and independent safety experts, to ensure that all routes are genuinely safe for children.  
3. Provide clear and detailed information on the decision-making process that led to the
designation of these routes as safe.  
4. Schedule a full debate at the next meeting of North Lanarkshire Council to discuss these issues,
with a roll call vote on the necessary mitigations the council can introduce to ensure the safety
and well-being of all children affected by these transport cuts.  
As this matter is costed, we will use the £187,000 to undertake a more in-depth comprehensive
review of safe walking routes.  
Realtis Arcadia / safe walking routes contractor has been given 3 or 4 contracts by NLC which
amount to £3.4 million, we hope the irony is not lost here given the cost saving for school transport
cuts."  
The Convener advised that, in term of Standing Order 58, the amendment was not competent.  
Decided:

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(1) that the financial position of the Education, Children and Families revenue budget be noted,
and  
(2) that the contents of the report be otherwise noted.