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North Ayrshire Council · 13 December 2023
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North Ayrshire Council
1 November 2023 
At a Meeting of North Ayrshire Council at 2.00 p.m. involving a combination of
participation by remote electronic means and physical attendance within the Council
Chambers, Irvine 
Present (Physical Participation)
John Bell, Marie Burns, Eleanor Collier, Joe Cullinane, Anthea Dickson, Stewart
Ferguson, Todd Ferguson, Scott Gallacher, Tony Gurney, Alan Hill, Cameron Inglis,
Margaret Johnson, Christina Larsen, Shaun Macaulay, Tom Marshall, Jean McClung,
Nairn McDonald, Matthew McLean, Davina McTiernan, Ian Murdoch, Donald Reid,
Donald L. Reid, Chloé Robertson, Ronnie Stalker and Angela Stephen. 
Present (Remote Electronic Participation)
Timothy Billings, Scott Davidson, Amanda Kerr and Jim Montgomerie
In Attendance
C. Hatton, Chief Executive; C. Cameron, Director (Health and Social Care Partnership);
R. McCutcheon, Executive Director (Place); A. Sutton, Executive Director and R. Leith,
Head of Service (Connected Communities) (Communities and Education); M. Boyd,
Head of Service (Finance); F. Walker, Head of Service (People and ICT); and A. Craig,
Head of Service, R. Lynch, Senior Manager (Legal Services); M. McColm, Senior
Manager (Communications), M. Anderson, Senior Manager (Committee and Member
Services) and H. Clancy, C. Stewart and S. Wilson, Committee Services Officers
(Democratic Services). 
Chair
Provost Dickson in the Chair. 
Apologies
Robert Foster, John Glover, Louise McPhater and John Sweeney.   
1. Provost's Remarks 
The Provost welcomed those present to the meeting and dealt with preliminary matters,
including intimation that the meeting, which was taking place on a hybrid basis, would
be live streamed to the internet. 
2. Apologies 
The Provost invited intimation of apologies for absence, which were recorded.

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3.  Declarations of Interest 
In terms of Standing Order 11 and Section 5 of the Councillors' Code of Conduct, the
Provost declared an interest in Agenda Item 15(2) (Motions) on the grounds that a
member of her family was employed by one of the organisations referred to in the
motion. The Provost intimated her intention to vacate the Chair and leave the meeting
during consideration of this item of business, taking no part in its determination. 
There were no declarations of the Party Whip. 
4. Previous Minutes 
The accuracy of the Minutes of the Meeting held on 13 September 2023 was confirmed
and the Minutes signed in accordance with Paragraph 7(1) of Schedule 7 of the Local
Government (Scotland) Act 1973. 
5. Provost’s Report 
Submitted report by the Provost for the period from 4 September – 22 October 2023. 
The Provost highlighted the role of community leaders who worked on various
community events over the course of the year and commended the efforts of those who
raised money for charities and who kept traditional heritage and musical skills alive. 
6.  Leader’s Report 
Submitted report by the Leader of the Council for the period from 4 September – 22
October 2023. 
Noted. 
7.  Council Minute Volume 
Submitted for noting the Minutes of meetings of committees of the Council held in the
period 22 May – 4 October 2023. 
Noted. 
8. Community Planning Partnership Board: Minutes of Meeting held on 22 June
2023 
Submitted report by the Executive Director (Communities and Education) on the Minutes
of the Community Planning Partnership (CPP) Board held on 14 September 2023.  The
CPP Board Minutes were attached as an appendix to the report.

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The Chief Executive highlighted the Local Outcomes Improvement Plan ‘Work’ priority
which had been the focus of the CPP Board meeting and the ongoing efforts of partners
in seeking to support more people into work and reduce levels of unemployment in
North Ayrshire. 
Noted. 
9. Congratulatory Motion 
In terms of Standing Order 15.3, submitted the undernoted motion, duly proposed and
seconded, which sought to congratulate, commend or recognise an individual or group
in relation to their achievement or activities within North Ayrshire: 
“19th Ayrshire Scout Awards 
The Kilwinning Scout Group (19th Ayrshire) Camp held at Lapwing Lodge in September
were able to thank and celebrate a variety of top Adult Scout Awards. 
We would like to ask Council to recognise the enormous achievements by two members
of the Scout Movement from Kilwinning. 
Katie Roy was presented our first ever King Scout Award in the District. Katie was self-
driven to achieve all aspects of her award with distinction. Katie has represented
Scotland and Great Britain at worldwide camps, she also gives her time to help fellow
scouts and volunteering in the community. 
Active Group Scout Leader Alister Kerr – Ned - was presented his Silver Wolf Award by
Katie. 
The Silver Wolf Award is the Highest Award in Scouting for an adult member. 
His award is based on a lifetime commitment to Active Scouting in his hometown of
Kilwinning. The Kilwinning and wider Scouting movement has had the benefit of 55
years' service by Alister. The movement is indebted to him and his impact on our young
people for those 55 years can never be repaid in these few words. Thank you, Ned. 
In addition, we would like to note our thanks to John Allison, current District
Commissioner, John took up this role in January this year. John's commitment to young
people, be it in teaching, football coaching or Scouting over many years, must also be
acknowledged at this time. Anyone who knows him will already know he takes people
with him and all he ever wants is what's best for our young people in North Ayrshire. 
Congratulations to both award winners, John on his senior role in Scouting and
everyone else involved in Scouting in North Ayrshire for dedication to our communities.
A huge thanks.”

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There being no dissent, the congratulatory motion was declared carried. 
10. Council Tax Multipliers – Scottish Government Consultation 
Submitted report by the Chief Executive to resolve the Council’s position on any
response to the Scottish Government’s consultation on Council Tax Multipliers.  The
report to Cabinet on 29 August 2023 was set out at Appendix 1 to the report.  The call-in
requests submitted to the Audit and Scrutiny Committee on 12 September 2023 were
contained at Appendices 2A and 2B, and officer comments on the respective call-in
requests provided at Appendices 3A and 3B.  The Minutes of the Audit and Scrutiny
Committee of 12 September 2023 and those of the subsequent Cabinet of 19
September 2023, were included at Appendices 5 and 6 to the report, respectively. 
Councillor Larsen, seconded by Councillor McTiernan, moved that the Council note the
content of the officer’s report and agree not to submit a consultation response in this
matter, given that the Scottish Government’s consultation period had now closed. 
As an amendment, Councillor Billings, seconded by Councillor Marshall, moved as
follows: 
“North Ayrshire Council agrees that, given the expiry of the deadline for responses, not
to submit a consultation response. The Council also agrees that it does not support the
Scottish Government’s proposals to increase the Council Tax multipliers for Bands E to
H.  Council Tax is a flawed taxation which these proposals would further exacerbate
and cause financial harm to families struggling with the financial crisis.” 
There followed debate and summing up. 
On a division and a roll call vote, there voted for the amendment, Councillors Bell,
Billings, Cullinane, S. Ferguson, T. Ferguson, Gallacher, Inglis, Kerr, Marshall,
McDonald, McLean, Montgomerie, D. Reid, Stalker and Stephen (15) and for the
motion, Councillors Burns, Collier, Davidson, Dickson, Gurney, Hill, Johnson, Larsen,
Macaulay, McClung, McTiernan and Robertson (12), Councillors Murdoch and D.L.
Reid abstaining, and the amendment was declared carried. 
Accordingly, the Council agreed as follows: 
(a) given the expiry of the deadline for responses, not to submit a consultation
response; and 
(b) that it did not support the Scottish Government’s proposals to increase the Council
Tax multipliers for bands E to H, Council Tax being a flawed taxation which these
proposals would further exacerbate and cause financial harm to families struggling
with the financial crisis.

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11. Appointment to Committee 
The Council was invited, in respect of the Audit and Scrutiny Committee, to note (i) the
resignation of Councillor Murdoch as the Independent Member representative, effective
from 11 September 2023 and (ii) the appointment of Councillor Donald L. Reid as
Councillor Murdochs’s replacement on the Committee, with immediate effect. 
Noted. 
12.  Elected Member Attendance 
Submitted report by the Chief Executive on the circumstances surrounding the non-
attendance of an Elected Member and the relevant provisions within Standing Orders
Relating to Meetings and Proceedings of the Council and its Committees. 
Councillor Burns, seconded by Councillor Macaulay, moved approval of the
recommendations set out in the officer’s report.  There being no amendment, the motion
was declared carried. 
Accordingly, the Council agreed as follows: 
(a) to note (i) the exceptional circumstances surrounding Councillor John Glover’s
non-attendance at a meeting of the Council, Committee, Joint Committee, Joint
Board or other body as a representative of the Council since missing the
Hunterston Site Stakeholders Group meeting on 1 June 2023 and (ii) the likelihood
that Councillor Glover’s absence may extend beyond the six-month period; and 
(b) that (i) in terms of Standing Orders and section 35 of the Local Government
(Scotland) Act 1973, Councillor Glover’s failure to attend was due to a reason
approved by the Council, such approval for non-attendance being granted until the
scheduled meeting of the Council on 15 May 2024 and (ii) if required, a further
update would be submitted to the May 2024 meeting of the Council. 
13. Working Group on Local Representation 
Submitted report by the Executive Director (Communities and Education) on the
findings and recommendations of a short-life Working Group on Local Representation. 
Appendix 1 to the report provided a copy of a presentation illustrating the range of
communities involved in participating in locality planning. 
Clarification on the anticipated timescale for the presentation of the draft Participation
Strategy was provided. 
Councillor Burns, seconded by Councillor Macaulay, moved approval of the
recommendations set out in the officer’s report.

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As an amendment, Councillor McLean, seconded by Councillor T. Ferguson, moved as
follows: 
“Council should not accept the report in its current form as it does not reflect the
diversity of opinion held within group discussions. The working group should reconvene
in order to resolve these issues. 
The paper as currently presented has not addressed concerns raised by members at
the meeting and some of the points within the original motion itself.” 
Councillor Burns expressed a willingness to allow the Working Group to reconvene. On
that basis and, in terms of Standing Order 16.5, with the agreement of her seconder,
Councillor Burns agreed to withdraw her motion in favour of Councillor McLean’s
amendment.  This became the substantive motion.   
There being no further amendment, the substantive motion was declared carried. 
Accordingly, the Council agreed: 
(a) not to accept the report in its current form as it did not reflect the diversity of
opinion held within Working Group discussions; 
(b) that the Working Group should reconvene in order to resolve these issues; and 
(c) as a result, that a further report be submitted to a future meeting of the Council. 
14. B714 No. 1 Compulsory Purchase Order 
Submitted report by the Head of Democratic Services on a proposed Compulsory
Purchase Order (CPO) to facilitate the construction of Phase 1 of the B714 Upgrade. 
The relevant plans were set out in the Appendix to the report.  Clarification was
provided that further equalities impacts were to be completed and that active travel
elements referred to in the report were not part of Phase 1 of the project in relation to
which the CPO was being sought. 
Councillor Gurney, seconded by Councillor McClung, moved approval of the
recommendations set out in the officer’s report, subject to conclusion of satisfactory
equalities impact assessments. 
There being no amendment, the motion was declared carried. 
Accordingly, the Council resolved, subject to conclusion of satisfactory equalities impact
assessments, to make a Compulsory Purchase Order to be called “The North Ayrshire
Council B714 No. 1 Compulsory Purchase Order 2023”, as detailed in the report and on
the plans set out at Appendix 1 to the report.

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15. Questions 
In terms of Standing Order 14, submitted: 
(1) a question by Councillor T. Ferguson to the Cabinet Member for the Green
Environment and Economy in the following terms: 
“Can the Cabinet Member provide an update into the planned walking and cycling route
project for Cumbrae?” 
Councillor Gurney thanked the Member for his question and responded in the following
terms: 
“Progress continues to be made on the feasibility study and subject to the outcome of
the study, concept design works for the route will follow. 
Work undertaken to date includes a route options appraisal, topographical survey and
ecological appraisal to understand route constraints. This has identified that, due to
width constraints on the public road corridor, additional land would be required to enable
the creation of an off-road route to national standards. Initial discussions have taken
place with 7 of the 12 landowners and feedback has been largely positive. 
Should landowner negotiations lead to a viable route alignment being identified, we will
progress with concept design drawings identifying proposed alignments and options.
Public engagement would commence at this stage to obtain views from Elected
Members, the local community, stakeholders and other interested parties to inform the
design process. The output from this would inform the development of updated concept
design drawings. The current programme aims to complete the concept design work
and initial engagement by April 2024.” 
(2) a question by Councillor Kerr to the Cabinet Member for Finance in the following
terms: 
“In recent months, the Cabinet has consistently supported increasing Council Tax bands
by up to 22%. At the Audit and Scrutiny Committee, the Cabinet Member said “‘in the
absence (of the ability to raise more revenue to fund vital Council services) we would
likely be looking at deeper cuts.” 
Can the Cabinet Member tell us, in light of the First Minister’s plans to freeze Council
Tax, what services the Administration will target with these ‘deeper cuts’ - will they
target schools, social care, economic development, waste collections or do they intend
to target other vital services?”

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Councillor Larsen thanked the Member for her question and responded by advising that,
although the First Minister had announced that the Scottish Government would fund a
Council Tax freeze, the details were not yet known and she was not, therefore, in a
position to discuss the impact. 
(3) a question by Councillor Murdoch to the Cabinet Member for the Green
Environment and Economy in the following terms: 
“When will work be completed on the reconfiguration of Fort Street and the Pierhead in
Largs? 
(a) How much has the project cost so far? 
(b) What is the projected final cost of the project? 
(c) Does the Cabinet Member think the project is value for money? 
(d) Why was the Coach Drop Off & Pick Up Point removed from the Pierhead area? 
(e) Why are North Ayrshire Council advising coaches to use the service bus stops as
alternatives to a designated Pick Up & Drop Off Point? 
(f) When will the safety bollards be replaced to prevent motorists from thinking this
part of the Prom is a continuation of the road?” 
Councillor Gurney thanked the Member for his question and responded in the following
terms: 
“The works at Fort Street and the Pierhead form part of the Bus Stop and Queuing
Facilities improvement project at Largs and on Cumbrae funded by SPT’s Capital
Programme. Whilst carrying out the construction works in Largs, an unrecorded stone
culvert that was silted up, was identified. This required to be reconstructed. 
The works in Largs are largely complete, and officers are monitoring the performance of
the reconstructed culvert over the winter months. The performance of this will determine
the remaining extent of works required. If the culvert performs satisfactorily, it is
anticipated that the remaining short length of footpath, drop kerb and re-erection of
bollards will be completed in March 2024. If there are issues with the culvert, agreement
will require to be obtained for an outfall on the beach. Timescales for the consent would
determine timescales for completion. Officers are not currently aware of any issues with
the culvert’s operation.

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(a) The total project (Largs and Cumbrae elements) cost to date is £230,700 (from
2019 to present). The construction costs at Largs are £73,723 to date with an
additional expenditure of £35,049 for the culvert replacement works. The balance
of £121,928 has been spent on the following for both the Largs and Cumbrae
works: initial option development, traffic surveys, topographical surveys,
consultation on feasibility designs, project management, detailed design, detailed
design consultation, amendments informed by stakeholder consultation. 
(b) The projected final total cost is approximately £240,000 which is inclusive of the
design and feasibility costs for the Cumbrae improvements. 
(c) I am not a civil engineer, but we are all aware of inflation, and construction costs
have not been immune to that.  However, given this is a joint project funded by
SPT, who have raised no objections, I am content that the costs are in line with
norms. 
(d) The footway outside Costa required to be widened to improve access for
pedestrians to and from the ferry terminal. This required the removal of the coach
drop off point due to the limited space available. The removal of this was proposed
through the consultation process which informed the final design. 
(e) The service bus stops are suitable and available for use for drop-off and pick-up of
passengers by coaches, as is the case for other bus services. Officers are not
advising coaches to park in the bus stops.  Officers will support bus operators to
help identify an appropriate area to park when not actively picking up and dropping
off passengers. 
(f) It is anticipated that the bollards will be replaced when works are complete
currently programmed for March 2024.” 
As a supplementary question, Councillor Murdoch referred to a number of concerns he
had in respect of the project and asked whether the Cabinet Member (i) could provide a
guaranteed date for completion of the project and (ii) would assist in finding solutions to
the problems created/not solved by the project. 
Councillor Gurney responded by advising that completion timescales for construction
were difficult, particularly when there were unforeseen works, and he suggested that the
Member would not have wanted the issue of the culvert simply to have been ignored. 
The Cabinet Member accepted the Member’s concerns about the project as his opinion
but disagreed with the points made. Councillor Gurney declined to provide a guaranteed
completion date, but confirmed that the job, including in relation to the culvert, would be
finished appropriately.

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(4) a question by Councillor McLean to the Leader of the Council in the following
terms: 
“Is the Verity House Agreement worth the paper it’s written on?” 
The Leader thanked the Member for his question and responded as follows: 
“Yes, I absolutely think that the Verity House Agreement is worth the paper it’s written
on.  We are very much at the start of a process and everyone is committed to making it
work.  There will be ‘bumps along the way.’ There have and always will be tensions
between national and local government, regardless of which party is in power, and the
Verity House Agreement gives us a process through which to navigate and negotiate
our way through those tensions.  At the COSLA Leaders’ meeting last week, we had a
positive discussion on our priorities for the future and we will approach discussions with
the Scottish Government constructively.” 
As a supplementary question, Councillor McLean quoted parts of the Verity House
Agreement, including in relation to working together, engagement, mutual trust and
respect, and consultation and collaboration, and suggested that the First Minister’s party
conference speech had broken the spirit and letter of the Agreement.  Councillor
McLean asked whether the Leader considered the Agreement was worth even the eight
pence it had cost for him to print a copy. 
Councillor Burns responded by expressing the view that the First Minister was entitled
to speak at his party conference to offer funding for a Council Tax freeze in a cost-of-
living crisis.  The Leader asserted that, ultimately, the decision about setting Council
Tax was a matter for each and every Council. 
(5) a question by Councillor Donald Reid to the Cabinet Member for Finance in the
following terms: 
“What would the Cabinet Member for Finance consider as a ‘fully funded Council Tax
freeze’: 
* the equivalent of a 3% increase? 
* the equivalent of a 5% increase (reflecting last year’s increase)? 
* the equivalent of September’s rate of inflation (and would they consider it to be at the
rate of CPI or RPI)? 
* a % increase plus the additional levy on second homes that had previously been
proposed? 
* a % increase, plus the second home levy and the equivalent of the proposed changes
to bands E-H?

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* or funding the full projected budget deficit for 2024/25, including inflationary, pay and
all other budget pressures?” 
Councillor Larsen thanked the Member for his question and responded by advising that
COSLA was in discussion with the Scottish Government.  The Cabinet Member
declined to speculate on the outcome of those discussions as she did not feel that
would be helpful. 
As a supplementary question, Councillor Donald Reid expressed the view that his
original question had not been answered, and asked whether the Cabinet Member
thought the Council or the Scottish Government should decide the Council’s budget and
whether or not there should be a Council Tax freeze. 
Councillor Larsen responded by asserting that she had answered the Member’s original
question. The Cabinet Member confirmed that Council Tax would be decided by the
Council but declined to pre-empt the outcome of ongoing discussions between COSLA
and the Scottish Government. 
(6) a question by Councillor T. Ferguson to the Provost in the following terms: 
“Can the Provost provide an update into the planned activities in North Ayrshire and
Arran for Remembrance Day 2023?” 
The Provost thanked the Member for his question and responded in the following terms: 
“Various Remembrance Sunday Parades and Service will take place in our local
communities throughout North Ayrshire.  The majority of the events are arranged by the
local branches of the Royal British Legion Scotland and in some cases the local
churches. I will attend the Remembrance Day Parade and Service in Irvine and the
Depute Provost will attend Services in Saltcoats and Stevenston.   
On Armistice Day on 11 November a short service will take place in the Memorial
Garden, Burns Street, Irvine where a two-minute silence will be observed at 11.00 a.m.
All Elected Members have been invited.  A two-minute silence will also be observed in
Council offices. 
Wreaths are available to Elected Members who may wish to lay a wreath at a
Remembrance Sunday service taking place in their ward, one wreath will be available
for each event.” 
As a supplementary question, Councillor T. Ferguson referred to Poppy Scotland’s
‘Light Up Red’ campaign and asked whether the Provost would show support for the
campaign by arranging for Cunninghame House to be lit up.

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The Provost responded by advising that she did not believe it was possible to light up
Cunninghame House, but that there were three public buildings, namely Kilwinning
Abbey, the Portal and Saltcoats Town Hall, which occasionally sought permission to be
lit up on particular occasions.  The Provost indicated her willingness to follow up on the
possibility of the three public buildings mentioned being lit up in support of the
campaign. 
(7) a question by Councillor Bell to the Leader of the Council in the following terms: 
“Does the Leader of the Council agree with the COSLA presidential team who publicly
stated, "It has been shown that previous Council Tax freezes have been regressive,
having no impact for the poorest in society and eroding the Council Tax base,
compounding councils' ongoing underfunding”? 
The Leader thanked the Member for his question and responded in the following terms: 
“The role of the COSLA presidential team is to present the collective view of COSLA
Leaders, as determined by a majority vote from a Leaders’ meeting.  I accept that
process and I am not going to undermine it by making any direct comment on COSLA
statements.  I am not sure if Councillor Bell supports the Council Tax freeze, but his
Scottish party leader certainly does.  I am not sure of his UK leader’s position this week,
but I have certainly had feedback from constituents who support a Council Tax freeze,
as I am sure, Anas Sarwar has.” 
As a supplementary question, Councillor Bell indicated that, while he was in favour of
keeping Council Tax as low as possible, he was also in favour of maintaining public
services which had been subject to cuts in recent years, and asked the Leader if she
agreed that there were a lot of choices that could be made with the money otherwise
allocated to a Council Tax freeze. 
The Leader responded by agreeing that there were choices but confirmed that she
agreed with the choices being made. 
(8) a question by Councillor Marshall to the Leader of the Council in the following
terms: 
“A recent article in the Times gave me thought for concern when it reported that the
Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) broke data protection rules by “intercepting and
diverting” emails. 
Can you please tell me who, apart from Member Services, has access to or is able to
intercept or divert any Members’ emails?”

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The Leader thanked the Member for his question and responded in the following terms: 
“Emails to Members are routed by the email system direct to them as the intended
recipient. Employees in Members’ Services have access to those emails granted by
individual Members to enable those employees to assist them for administrative
purposes only. Should Members wish to restrict this access to their individual inboxes,
they can do so. Employees in Members’ Services do not divulge the content of
Members’ emails to officers and act on the instructions of the Member concerned in
relation to mailbox management. Other than that, there is no policy or practice in place
to intercept or divert Members’ emails. Whilst there is technical capability for IT Services
to access email across all email inboxes in the Council this is not and will not be used
by the organisation unless there is a regulatory or legal requirement to do so.” 
As a supplementary question, Councillor Marshall thanked the Leader for the
reassurance provided and asked whether there were any other rules which applied,
around the use of electronic media, such as WhatsApp. 
The Leader responded by suggesting that more context was required for the question
but confirmed that she was happy to discuss the matter further with the Member. 
Councillor Burns indicated that, as far as she was aware, there was no formal use of
WhatsApp to conduct Council business. 
(9) a question by Councillor McDonald to the Cabinet Member for Education in the
following terms: 
“Inverclyde Council rolled out free school meals to all primary school pupils from August
2023. Given that the Administration in North Ayrshire has consistently voted against
expanding free school meals, can the Deputy Leader tell us what is the difference
between Inverclyde Council and North Ayrshire Council?” 
Councillor Macaulay thanked the Member for his question and responded by advising
that decisions about Inverclyde were made by Inverclyde Councillors and those relating
to North Ayrshire made by North Ayrshire Councillors.  The Cabinet Member asserted
that the principle of free school meals was supported by the Administration and indeed
that it was the SNP which had introduced universal free school meals for primary 1-5
and committed to expand on that.  Councillor Macaulay expressed the view that, to
date, proposals brought forward by Labour had been ill-thought-out and carried
significant risk to the Council, and that, unlike the Administration, Labour as the Second
Opposition had no need to face the financial reality of proposals.  The Cabinet Member
concluded his response by confirming a willingness, as part of the budget-setting
process, to work with any councillor to develop workable and sensible proposals.

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As a supplementary question, Councillor McDonald asserted that North Ayrshire had
once been one of Scotland’s most progressive Councils but this was no longer the case,
and asked when the Cabinet Member expected the Council to start seeing the current
Administration delivering on its promises. 
Councillor Macaulay responded by indicating that he had, on a number of occasions,
reiterated the proposals being taken forward to meet the priorities of North Ayrshire. 
The Cabinet Member expressed the view that the Member appeared keen to say that
the SNP had cut services ‘to the bone’, while at the same time being triumphalist about
everything which the Council had managed to achieve. Councillor Macaulay concluded
his response by undertaking, as part of the forthcoming budget-setting process, to focus
on supporting those most in need and taking forward ambitious proposals for the people
of North Ayrshire. 
(10) a question by Councillor T. Ferguson to the Cabinet Member for Education in the
following terms: 
“Can the Cabinet Portfolio holder for Education advise what guidance is in place to
address the use of mobile phones in schools?”  
Councillor Macaulay thanked the Member for his question and responded in the
following terms:
“North Ayrshire Council provides policies and procedures to support schools with a
range of operational and strategic matters relating to the provision of education. In
terms of how schools manage the use of mobile phones, a Standard Circular has been
produced which advises that schools should develop their own policy on pupil use of
mobile devices taking account of some key principles, including:
• The use of mobile phones in class time is unacceptable.
• Possession of a mobile phone during a prelim or other examination should be
prohibited.
• Taking photographs of staff or pupils without consent should be prohibited.
• All emergency contact between home and school should be through the school
office rather than by mobile phone.
• As with all valuable items of equipment, parents should be made aware that no
liability can be accepted for loss of or damage to mobile phones which are brought
to school.
• The school policy should be drafted in consultation with parents, pupils, staff and the
Parent Council.
• Head Teachers may wish to include specific reference to mobile phone use in school
handbooks and behaviour policies.
• Head Teachers should use staff handbooks to remind all staff of GTC Scotland
guidance that staff should not use texting, at any time, to communicate with
individual pupils.

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These guidelines are intended to offer Head Teachers consistent guidance whilst also
allowing sufficient flexibility to tailor their policies to local circumstances.
It is recognised that mobile devices (including tablets and the current trial of “bring your
own device”) can enhance the learning experience, provided that clear protocols around
their use are in place. It is anticipated that the next update to the Standard Circular will
include specific principles around the managed use of mobile devices in a curricular
context, as this technology is rolled out and extended into various schools across the
Education Service.” 
As a supplementary question, Councillor T. Ferguson referred to a similar answer which
had been provided in February 2019, and asked if the Cabinet Member agreed that this
matter should now be revisited in light of shifts in attitude since then, including a United
Nations report which recommended banning smart phones in schools, the decision by
France and the Netherlands to ban the use of mobile phones in their school estate, and
the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills’ intention to look at tightening restrictions
around mobile phone usage in schools. 
Councillor Macaulay responded by advising that the Council was currently in a review
process and was trying to keep up to date with the best use of technology in schools. 
The Cabinet Member expressed the view that, if the key principles outlined in his
response were followed, there should be no issues, but that the review process would
take into account the challenges being faced by schools. 
(11) a question by Councillor McDonald to the Cabinet Member for Finance in the
following terms: 
“To ask for a total of the Council’s usable reserves?” 
Councillor Larsen thanked the Member for his question and responded in the following
terms: 
“The Council’s usable reserves total £136.741m. They include the Council’s
unearmarked reserves of £8.053m, with the remaining balance specifically earmarked
for a range of purposes, including the Housing Revenue Account reserves to support
the HRA Business Plan and the loans fund reserve to support delivery of the capital
programme.” 
As a supplementary question, Councillor McDonald referred to an expected multi-million
pound ‘windfall’ arising from changes to Strathclyde Pension Fund, and asked whether
the Cabinet Member could confirm that the unexpected sum from Strathclyde Pension
Fund would be used for sustainable investment in communities. 
Councillor Larsen responded by advising that the Council was not yet in receipt of the
monies from Strathclyde Pension Fund and she was not, therefore, in a position to
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(12) a question by Councillor McLean to the Leader of the Council in the following
terms: 
“Do you believe that the current Scot Government administration should stop spending
its budget on reserved matters, and show proper respect to local Elected Members and
officials, by using this money to fund truly sustainable local government?” 
The Leader thanked the Member for his question and responded in the following terms: 
“I find it ironic that a Conservative councillor is challenging the Scottish Government on
funding truly sustainable local government when we have an increasing number of
English councils on the verge of bankruptcy.  Public services across the UK are on their
knees after 13 years of Tory austerity and an ideological commitment to minimise public
spending.  That applies to the devolved administrations in Scotland and Wales and to
English public services across the country.  So, if he wants to show proper respect to
local government, maybe he should be having a word with his own party leadership. 
But, that it not what this question is about.  If anything, it is about showing respect for a
democratically elected Scottish Parliament, which his party seems increasingly unwilling
to do.” 
As a supplementary question, Councillor McLean asked what the Leader had done –
whether as a councillor, a local government leader or even just as part of the Scottish
National Party - to fight against this use of public funds in order to bring greater funding
to local government. 
The Leader responded by asserting that the question contradicted her original response
and confirmed that she would not be fighting against something with which she agreed. 
(13) a question by Councillor Montgomerie to the Leader of the Council in the following
terms: 
“As a signatory to the Verity House Agreement, does the Council Leader believe that
the Scottish Government treats Local Government with ‘respect’ in light of the First
Minister breaking the spirit and letter of the agreement by announcing a Council Tax
freeze as part of his SNP party conference speech?” 
The Leader thanked the Member for his question and responded in the following terms: 
“I refer Councillor Montgomerie back to my previous response on the Verity House
Agreement.  Party leaders will make funding announcements at party conferences.  His
own party is not immune to that.  I think that the important thing now is that discussion
between COSLA and the Scottish Government is ongoing and I did say earlier that that
is the case.  And, ultimately, we need to remember that decisions on Council Tax will be
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(14) a question by Councillor T. Ferguson to the Cabinet Member for Health and Social
Care in the following terms: 
“Can the Cabinet Portfolio holder for Health and Social Care provide an update on the
backlog of Blue Badge applications?” 
Councillor Johnson thanked the Member for his question and responded in the following
terms: 
“There are currently a high number of Blue Badge applications and renewals which the
team are processing, with the average time from application to issue being around 12
weeks.  There are nearly 10,000 existing Blue Badge holders in North Ayrshire and
around 1,400 applications and renewals are in process.  It is recommended that Blue
Badge holders apply for their renewal 12 weeks before their current badge is due to
expire.  Transport Scotland set the timescale for applications to be processed within 12
weeks, and currently in North Ayrshire the HSCP are meeting this timescale.  
There has been an increase in the number of Blue Badge applications over the last few
years and changes to the online application form and process have added to the
workload of the team.   
There are different criteria for eligibility for a Blue Badge, for example there is an
automatic entitlement for individuals in receipt of specific benefits, whereas
discretionary applications require a far greater degree of assessment input including for
example Independent Mobility Assessments. 
A number of steps have been taken forward by the HSCP to improve the current
process and to raise awareness of the 12-week timescale for renewal, including: 
• Clear communication for all renewal and first-time applicants with a letter issued
on application 
• Raising awareness on social media and other communication channels including
the HSCP website 
The service continues to explore other options including the issue of automated renewal
reminders and any additional resources which may be required to ensure the 12-week
processing timescale can be met.” 
As a supplementary question, Councillor T. Ferguson asked if the Cabinet Member
could provide reassurance that there would be no discrimination arising from the Blue
Badge renewals process in the context of the forthcoming introduction of DPE
(Decriminalised Parking Enforcement). 
Councillor Johnson responded by undertaking to look into this matter and revert to the
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(15) a question by Councillor McPhater to the Leader of the Council in the following
terms: 
“To seek an update on the 2023/24 pay settlement and future industrial action?” 
In Councillor McPhater’s absence, and in terms of Standing Order 14.4, the question
was asked by Councillor Cullinane. 
The Leader thanked the Member for the question and responded in the following terms: 
“The 2023/24 pay settlement has yet to be agreed.  No notification of future industrial
action has been received to date.” 
(16) a question by Councillor McLean to the Cabinet Member for Finance in the
following terms: 
“Does the Cabinet Portfolio holder for Finance believe that all ringfenced funding should
be used for its intended purpose?” 
Councillor Larsen thanked the Member for his question and responded by confirming
that ringfenced funding was currently in place, but that COSLA was in discussion with
the Scottish Government on the relaxation of this and the outcome was awaited. 
As a supplementary question, Councillor McLean made reference to UK agricultural
funding which had be provided to the Scottish Government on a ringfenced basis, but
which had instead been used as a saving within the relevant department.  The Member
asked if the Cabinet Member would be using this new-found financial flexibility around
ringfenced funding in North Ayrshire’s budget and, if not, why not. 
Councillor Larsen responded by advising that she could not speak for the Scottish
Government but confirmed that the use of any local ringfenced funds would require to
be approved by Council and the use of any national ringfenced funds would be for
COSLA and the Scottish Government to approve.

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(17) a question by Councillor Cullinane to the Cabinet Member for Finance in the
following terms: 
“TCS-eco are a local business, based in Kilwinning, that produces reusable period
products. In 2021, TCS-eco were not on the Excel Scotland procurement framework but
the Council purchased products, up to the legal spending limit for suppliers not on the
procurement framework, as part of piloting a home delivery service for period products.
As demand for reusable products exceeded that spending limit, additional products
were purchased from other suppliers off the framework, however, our business team
supported TCS-eco to join the Excel Scotland framework at the next opportunity as part
of our Community Wealth Building work. TCS-eco have been on the framework for over
a year now, can the Cabinet Member advise us how much the Council has spent with
TCS-eco since then?” 
Councillor Larsen thanked the Member for his question and responded in the following
terms: 
“There has been no spend with this local supplier since the time they have been on the
Scotland Excel framework. The reason there has been no spend is simply due to there
being no current demand for these particular products. I can advise awareness raising
campaigns have very recently been undertaken to promote the use of these products.
Moving forward if there is a change in demand then orders will be placed using this
framework which includes this local supplier.” 
As a supplementary question, Councillor Cullinane referred to recent social media posts
by the Council and Young People’s Champion, which promoted reusable period
products but referred to Hey Girls menstrual cups and not to TCS-eco products, and
asked if the Cabinet Member agreed it would make sense to promote the local supplier.
Councillor Cullinane asked if the Cabinet Member could find out from the Council’s
Procurement team whether the Council had spent any funds with Hey Girls over the last
year since TCS-eco had been included in the framework. 
Councillor Larsen responded by referring to the Member’s specific mention of menstrual
cups and advised that that TCS-eco did not supply this product, but Hey Girls did. The
Cabinet Member advised that the Council was buying from another company as it
provided a wider range of products and community benefit.  Councillor Larsen agreed,
however, that there was a balance to be struck and confirmed she was happy to ask the
Business Development team to contact TCS-eco to establish what might be done to
support them moving forward. 
(18) a question by Councillor Inglis to the Cabinet Member for the Green Environment
and Economy in the following terms: 
“In a report by Keep Scotland Beautiful, the streets of North Ayrshire were voted third
dirtiest in the country.  Can the Cabinet Member explain why this is and what they are
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Councillor Gurney thanked the Member for his question and responded in the following
terms: 
“Whilst the vast majority of residents and visitors behave responsibly, it is disappointing
that a minority still engage in poor behaviour in terms of littering and environmental
crime. Cleaning up discarded litter in streets and open space areas is a significant cost
to the Council and is entirely preventable. 
The Council has a Litter, Dog Fouling and Fly Tipping Prevention Strategy which
focuses on Educating (communications, campaigns), Enabling (provision of bins) and
Enforcement (the issuing of Fixed Penalty Notices to offenders). The strategy is being
reviewed and an updated strategy will be published in late spring 2024. The Council is
engaging with Keep Scotland Beautiful (KSB) to help facilitate workshop sessions with
elected members and communities as part of this review. This will cover the implications
of the new national Litter and Fly Tipping Strategy and also take account of emerging
issues and themes such as littering from single use vapes. 
In respect of the street cleanliness index score it is disappointing that the Council has
not performed as well as in previous years. Since the audit was conducted a number of
improvements have been implemented such as a review of the street cleaning
schedules to identify littering hotspots and to respond to different demands post COVID,
an increase in the number of internal street cleaning audits to locally monitor
cleanliness, and the targeting of enforcement activities to identified littering hotspots.
New larger capacity, gull proof bins are also being installed at busy coastal locations.
We are also supported by a significant number of community volunteer groups who
regularly carry out litter picks in their localities – and this support is very much
appreciated. 
The most recent audit for 2023/24 produced a score of 90.1%, which is a significant
increase from the 2022/23 score of 84.6%, which indicates a positive direction of travel
as we continue to tackle the blight of irresponsible littering.” 
Councillor Gurney supplemented his written response by reiterating that litter did not
just appear, but that people dropped it.  The Cabinet Member urged adults and children
to use the bins provided. 
(19) a question by Councillor Billings to the Cabinet Member for Health and Social Care
in the following terms: 
“There is a growing concern about the level Scottish Government funding to care homes
and the financial stability of care homes across Scotland.   
Can the Cabinet Member tell me how the HSCP is ensuring that our local care homes
remain financially viable whilst also being able to continue to provide appropriate levels
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Councillor Johnson thanked the Member for his question and responded in the following
terms: 
“Local Authority placements to Older People’s Care homes are funded from the HSCP
budget.  The weekly rate paid for a care home placement is agreed nationally as part of
the National Care Home Contract (NCHC) which has been in place for the last 15 years. 
This contract is facilitated by Scotland Excel on behalf of Local Authorities and is
negotiated annually between provider representatives and COSLA. 
In North Ayrshire all placements are funded in line with the NCHC agreed rates for
residential and nursing care.  Whilst provider representatives, including for example
Scottish Care, have publicly communicated their concerns over the adequacy of funding
and viability of the care home sector, it is also mutually accepted that the NCHC
provides stability for care homes and commissioners.   
It is the role of the Care Inspectorate as the regulatory body to assess and provide
assurance over the quality of care for all registered care services.  In North Ayrshire we
work closely with the Care Inspectorate and other services to ensure we can support
our care providers to provide a good quality of care. The position is closely and robustly
monitored, the HSCP has Multi-Disciplinary Care Home Oversight arrangements in
place, which were established over 3 years ago.  The Care Home Oversight Group
meets regularly, this allows the Partnership and other colleagues to maintain an
enhanced level of support and oversight to Care Homes, ultimately seeking assurance
of the quality of care provided.  This provides a forum for escalation of any quality of
care, safety and sustainability concerns, including financial concerns which may be
highlighted by care home providers directly. 
The Partnership facilitates regular Care Home Provider Forums and regular formal
Contractual Meetings take place with individual providers, these include finance
representatives.  Whilst focussed on quality and standards of care being provided to
residents, the meetings have allowed for the development of good working relationships
between the Care Home Providers and the Partnership’s Teams.  Providers can raise
any issues or concerns they may have at the earliest opportunity which allows the
Partnership to respond appropriately.” 
As a supplementary question, Councillor Billings asked whether the Cabinet Member
would be willing to investigate this matter further, as he believed there was an
opportunity for concerns to be aired at the highest level and because the financial failure
and instability of care homes ultimately impacted on the HSCP and the Council. 
Councillor Johnson responded by confirming her willingness to meet with Councillor
Billings to discuss the matter further.

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In terms of Standing Order 6.8, the Provost agreed that the meeting be adjourned at
3.25 p.m. for a comfort break.  The meeting reconvened at 3.30 p.m. with the same
Members and officers present and in attendance, with the exception of Councillors
Billings and Davidson, who had lost their remote connection to the meeting. 
16. Motions 
In terms of Standing Order 15, submitted: 
(1) a motion proposed by Councillor T, Ferguson and seconded by Councillor
Gallacher in the following terms: 
“That Council supports the ethos of the Wave Trust's 70/30 campaign to reduce child
abuse, neglect and other adverse childhood experiences (ACEs) by at least 70% by the
year 2030. Following the report presented to Council in June 2019, Council asks officers
to bring a further report on progress to a future meeting of the Cabinet. This report will
provide an update on how North Ayrshire Council and wider CPP partners are
progressing the ambition to reduce childhood abuse and trauma in our local
communities and to embed a trauma-informed approach across services. Council: 
• Notes the ambitions of the national campaign to make Scotland the first Adverse
Child Experiences (ACE) aware Nation. 
• Notes that in 2018 this Council agreed to be ‘trauma informed: 
o to use the learning and research on Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACEs) to
inform change in practice and thus be better able to reduce the negative effects
of ACEs on the lives of all with whom we come in contact; 
o to work with other partners across Ayrshire to have a consistent approach to
working to implement trauma informed practice; 
o commit to give officers and staff an opportunity to view the documentary
‘Resilience’ which has been the catalyst for change; 
o and to contribute to Ayrshire becoming recognised as a Centre of Trauma
Informed Excellence” 
• Notes that North Ayrshire Council cannot achieve these ambitions alone, there is a
wider CPP responsibility and multi-agenda approach required in addition to the
support of our wider communities 
• Notes that supporting an early intervention approach to investment in promoting
safe, stable and nurturing relationships and environments can have a positive
impact of a broach range of challenges and on the development of skills that will
help children and young people reach their full potential 
• Continues to support and promote a trauma-informed, ACE awareness ethos to
have a positive impact on both individuals and society as a whole

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• Supports all frontline staff across the Council and CPP partners to be encouraged to
take up opportunities for continued professional learning sessions on Adverse
Childhood Experiences (ACEs) 
• Acknowledges that Adverse Childhood Experiences can and do impact on learning,
attainment and future prospects for children and young people. 
• Seeks assurance that Trauma Informed learning is taking place across our early
years and school settings to support children and young people.” 
There being no amendment, the motion was declared carried. 
Having declared an interest in the following item of business, the Provost duly vacated
the Chair at this point and left the meeting during its consideration, taking no part in the
determination.   
The Monitoring Officer sought, and received, confirmation that, in the absence of the
Provost and Depute Provost and in terms of Standing Order 6.6, the Council
unanimously appointed Councillor Gurney to the Chair for the following item of business. 
Accordingly, Councillor Gurney assumed the Chair at this point. 
(2) a motion proposed by Councillor McLean and seconded by Councillor Inglis in the
following terms: 
"Council agrees with the House of Lords Select Committee on the Constitution, that
devolved administrations should immediately stop any improper spending and utilise
funds for responsibilities within devolved competence. 
The House of Lords Select Committee has unanimously agreed that devolved
governments should only spend on devolved areas and that the Scottish Government
should immediately stop their improper spending on things such as the Minister for
Independence, overseas 'embassies' and any other reserved areas before the Cabinet
Secretary takes any action necessary to stop them. 
And so: 
We instruct the Chief Executive of NAC to write to: 
A) John Paul Marks, Scotland's Chief Civil Servant
B) Simon Case, Cabinet Secretary 
C) Alistair Jack, Secretary of State for Scotland
D) Humza Yousaf, First Minister for Scotland

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To express our support for the House of Lords Committee’s findings and for these
recommendations to be implemented with haste. 
And for consideration by the Scottish Government to utilise these funds not being spent
on reserved matters for the purposes of supporting local government." 
Councillor Davidson re-joined the meeting at this point.   
As an amendment, Councillor Burns, seconded by Councillor Hill, moved the direct
negative. 
There followed debate and summing up. 
On a division and a roll call vote, there voted for the amendment, Councillors Burns,
Collier, Cullinane, Davidson, Gurney, Hill, Johnson, Kerr, Larsen, Macaulay, McClung,
McDonald, McTiernan, Montgomerie and Robertson (15) and for the motion, Councillors
S. Ferguson, T. Ferguson, Gallacher, Inglis, Marshall, McLean, Stalker and Stephen (8),
Councillors Bell, Murdoch, Donald Reid and Donald L. Reid abstaining, and the
amendment was declared carried. 
Accordingly, the Council agreed not to proceed with the terms of the motion. 
17.  Urgent Items 
There being were no urgent items, Councillor Gurney remained in the Chair and closed
the meeting at this point. 
The meeting ended at 3.45 p.m.