Budget Engagement
North Ayrshire Council · 12 February 2025
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NORTH AYRSHIRE COUNCIL 12 February 2025 Council Title: Council Budget 2025-26 Engagement Findings Purpose: To consider the findings from recent Budget Engagement to inform decisions on the 2025-26 Council Budget. Recommendation: Council agrees: (i) To consider the findings from recent budget engagement to inform the 2025-2026 budget. 1 Executive Summary 1.1 North Ayrshire Council is due to consider budget proposals for 2025-26 on 26 February 2025. We have statutory duties under legislation to consider the impact of proposed decisions on people who use our services. In addition, early engagement supports Our Council Plan 2023-28 priorities “Communities and Local Democracy” and “A Sustainable Council” through involving our residents early in decision making processes. 1.2 An extensive programme of engagement took place between 10 October and 25 November 2024 including surveys across six main themes as well as in person and online focus groups. The approach was designed to support our residents to contribute their views, make the surveys more accessible and avoid digital exclusion. 1.3 The six main themes each included a number of proposals and are: • Additional Council Tax Levy on Second Homes • Community Facilities and Car Parking • Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People • Service Delivery • Taxes and Levies • Waste Services 1.4 This has resulted in 4,461 responses across the six themes, more detailed feedback on proposals and considerable engagement with community groups across North Ayrshire. The engagement has also enabled our residents to bring petitions on specific options to the Audit and Scrutiny Committee and Cabinet, demonstrating a high level of engagement with democracy within our communities.
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1.5 This information has been examined by Officers in order to develop proposals for consideration by Elected Members in setting the budget on 26 February. In parallel, it is used to inform the Equality and Children’s Rights Impact Assessments (ECRIAs) at each stage to ensure we fully consider the impact of proposals on our residents. 2 Background 2.1 At a Special Council Meeting on 9 October 2024, Council noted the intention for earlier and more detailed engagement on our possible budget options. Engagement took place between 10 October and 25 November 2024. This approach enabled respondents to provide informed responses and gave greater opportunity for findings to be considered by Elected Members prior to Council considering its 2025-26 budget on 26 February 2025. 2.2 We have a statutory duty to consider the impact our policies, including budget proposals, may have on those with protected characteristics (Equality Act 2010), our island communities (Islands (Scotland) Act 2018) as well as the socio- economic impact on our residents (Fairer Scotland Duty (2018), the Consumer (Scotland) Act 2020) and the possible impact on the rights of children. 2.3 We also consider the potential impact on those who are care experienced following Council’s decision in December 2023 to treat care experienced as a protected characteristic in North Ayrshire Council. 2.4 These areas were included within the question set of each survey and the responses given are being considered in developing budget proposals. 2.5 Services from across our council contributed to the development of the approach. The engagement supports our Council Plan priorities of “Communities and Local Democracy” and “A Sustainable Council”. 3 Approach 3.1 The aim of our approach was to ensure we gained a high number of informative responses from across our diverse communities in North Ayrshire. This was achieved through online surveys and in person engagement. We used a cross- service collaborative approach to improve on previous approaches, develop the surveys and engage our communities. 3.2 The consultation was publicised through our website, press releases and on social media. Of the 68 posts on social media, we received 81,891 impressions, 211 reactions, 178 comments and 256 shares. 3.3 This refreshed approach resulted in an increased response. Whereas in 2024 we received 200 responses through our Budget Challenge tool for the 2024-25 budget engagement in addition to substantial engagement with our community groups, this year we received 4,461 responses in addition to community discussions. A breakdown per theme is shown below:
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Theme Number of individual responses Appendix Number Additional Council Tax Levy on Second Homes 507 Appendix 1 Community Facilities and Car Parking 1,850 Appendix 2 Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People 714 Appendix 3 Service Delivery 254 Appendix 4 Taxes and Levies 398 Appendix 5 Waste Services 738 Appendix 6 3.4 A more detailed overview of responses to each of the six areas is included within the appendices. The numerical data was analysed using Power BI analytical software. The open field questions, which included a considerable volume of information of over 10,000 words for some surveys, were manually examined by officers. Demographic information was captured including locality and equalities information. It is important to note that the 4,461 responses do not equate to the same number of respondents, as more than one survey is likely to have been completed by several individuals. 3.5 The surveys were divided into six themes to improve the quality and range of responses. Specifically, this was to: • Minimise survey fatigue as respondents could select the areas they wanted to respond to quickly. • Improve accessibility, as it was easier to support paper and telephone responses through our frontline services and Customer Contact Centre. • Ensure a more balanced range of responses across each survey and a higher completion rate. (A single survey may have led to the initial questions being answered fully with less detailed or partial responses for later questions.) 4 Community Groups 4.1 We consulted with a range of community groups across North Ayrshire, some on multiple occasions and at various locations across our area. We reached as broad a range of community groups as possible. Most of the community engagement was in person, however there were opportunities for video calling to ensure as many people as possible could contribute their views. The feedback from these groups is included under each theme in the appendices. Groups consulted include: Group Type of Engagement Additional Support Needs (ASN) Young People In person Arran Outdoor Education Centre Stakeholders In person Arran Youth Foundation In person Champions Board (Care Experienced Youth Voice Groups across North Ayrshire) In person
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Employee Disability Forum In person Equal Supported Employment In person Joint Cabinet In person Healing Hearts Bereavement Group In person Locality Based Groups including Men’s Shed, She Shed and LGBT Youth. In person Long Covid Group In person New Scots In person and Online (Zoom) North Ayrshire Federation of Community Organisations Executive Group Online (Teams) North Ayrshire Network, North Ayrshire Inspection Panel and North Ayrshire Service Improvement Groups Online (Teams) Older People’s Voice Network In person Parent Council Chairs (representative group) Online Primary 7 Pupils including Pupil Parliament and House Captains In person Redburn Grove Tenant’s Group In person The First Steps Programme In person We Work for Families In person Members of the Scottish Youth Parliament and Executive Committee In person Young People involved in Active Schools Leadership programmes In person Youth Conference In person 4.2 In addition, several petitions have been considered by the Audit and Scrutiny Committee and have been referred to Cabinet relating to some of the proposals including: • Saltcoats and Ardrossan Libraries • Parking charge enforcement in Kilwinning • Dreghorn Library • Beith Library • Eglinton Park
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5 Results 5.1 Information gathered from the engagement process is available within the appendices which includes information for each area consulted on as well as a broad selection of comments received. 5.2 The increased response rate and detailed feedback from respondents shows that our approach to consultation is improving. Ensuring specific options were consulted on, rather than generic areas, appears to have gained a higher level of engagement from our communities. As a result, the information received is more targeted to the possible budget options and more informative. 5.3 It appears in many areas our residents and other respondents acknowledge the challenges being addressed by our council. In addition, the high response rate to the ‘Community Facilities and Car Parking’, ‘Waste Services’ and ‘Schools and Related Services for our Young People’ themes, indicates a particular interest in these areas. 5.4 Other areas such as ‘Additional Council Tax Levy on Second Homes’ have received a high response rate from the Arran locality. 5.5 The earlier consultation has provided more time for Officers and Elected Members to: Consider and refine the budget proposals for consideration by Council on 26 February; Inform our ECRIA screenings and full assessments as required for each proposal; and inform future approaches to consultation to continually improve how we consult with all groups across North Ayrshire. As a result, we are confident the approach, analysis and use of this information ensures the views of our residents and visitors will inform our Council’s 2025-26 budget process. 6 Proposals 6.1 Council agrees: (i) To consider the findings from recent budget engagement to inform the 2025-2026 budget. 7 Implications/Socio-economic Duty Financial 7.1 The budget engagement with our communities informs the Council’s budget setting process for 2025-26. Human Resources 7.2 There are no human resource implications arising from this report.
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Legal 7.3 We have statutory duty to consider the impact our policies, including budget proposals, may have on those with protected characteristics (Equality Act 2010), our island communities (Islands (Scotland) Act 2018) as well as the socio- economic impact on our residents (Fairer Scotland Duty (2018) and Consumer (Scotland) Act 2020). 7.4 It is unlawful for public authorities to act in a way that is incompatible with the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child. Assessing the impact of proposals on children’s rights helps to support good decision making and practice and ensure that decisions are necessary and proportionate when balanced against any impact on children’s rights. Equality/Socio-economic 7.5 The consultation takes account of our legal obligations stated under 7.3 and 7.4. Climate Change and Carbon 7.6 There are no climate change and carbon implications arising from this report. Key Priorities 7.7 The consultation supports the two Council Plan priorities of “Communities and Local Democracy” and “A Sustainable Council” in addition to the wider delivery of the Council Plan. Community Wealth Building 7.8 There are no Community Wealth Building implications arising from this report. Consultation 7.9 Engagement undertaken with communities in North Ayrshire has informed this report and appendices. Aileen Craig Head of Service (Democratic) For further information please contact Isla Hardy, Senior Manager (Policy, Performance and Democracy), on 01294 324035 or email IslaHardy@north- ayrshire.gov.uk.
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Budget Engagement Feedback - Proposed Implementation of an Additional Council Tax Levy on Second Homes Page 0 of 28 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 2025 to 2026 Budget Engagement Findings Proposed Implementation of an Additional Council Tax Levy on Second Homes Appendix 1
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Budget Engagement Feedback - Proposed Implementation of an Additional Council Tax Levy on Second Homes Page 1 of 28 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Contents About this Document / Method .......................................................................................................................................................................... 2 Demographics ................................................................................................................................................................................................... 3 Survey Responses ............................................................................................................................................................................................. 5 Engagement Group Feedback .......................................................................................................................................................................... 24 Equalities – Overview of Survey Responses by Protected Characteristic ............................................................................................................ 25
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Budget Engagement Feedback - Proposed Implementation of an Additional Council Tax Levy on Second Homes Page 2 of 28 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION About this Document / Method This document contains the summarised feedback from the 2025 to 2026 Council Budget Engagement undertaken between 10th October and 25th November 2024. It contains survey findings, engagement group feedback and where relevant, comments from trade unions. Due to the scale of the consultation, information has been analysed by theme as per the surveys issued: 1. Additional Council Tax Levy on Second Homes (this report) 2. Community Facilities and Car Parking 3. Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People 4. Service Delivery 5. Taxes and Levies 6. Waste Services This approach is more comprehensive than providing a single statistics or feedback document and enables quicker distribution to Elected Members and Officers for consideration. Please note: As the survey was divided by theme, if there is a need to combine findings across the engagement exercise caution should be used to ensure reference is made to the number of responses, rather than number of respondents. Open field questions produced an extensive amount of feedback, running to at least 10,000 words per survey. To make this manageable, this feedback has been examined manually and summarised for each question. As well as the summary, key examples of feedback are then quoted for each question to ensure the voices of our communities are directly visible. This text is as received by our respondents.
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Budget Engagement Feedback - Proposed Implementation of an Additional Council Tax Levy on Second Homes Page 3 of 28 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Demographics
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Budget Engagement Feedback - Proposed Implementation of an Additional Council Tax Levy on Second Homes Page 5 of 28 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Survey Responses 1. Do you think North Ayrshire Council should charge a council tax premium on top of regular council tax rates for second homes? 2. Please give reasons for your answer to Q1 SUMMARY OF RESPONSES: - Local economy and tourism impact. Many comments highlighted that second homeowners contribute significantly to the local economy, especially through tourism. They said increased taxes on second homes may discourage visitors and negatively affect local businesses and trades, potentially harming the fragile economy of islands like Arran and Cumbrae. - Fairness: There were a wide range of views about whether second homeowners should be pay an additional council levy, with some arguing that they already contribute via council tax and should not be taxed more for services they don't fully use. Others believe that higher taxes are justified, as second homes sit empty and exacerbate housing shortages for locals, particularly young people trying to get on the housing ladder. - Affordable housing: A number of comments focused on the need for more affordable housing for island residents, particularly for young people and workers, as second homes are seen as contributing to inflated housing prices and limited availability. ‘I live on the Isle of Arran. Having so many second homes on the island has meant that many people have been priced out of being able to live and work here. There is a crisis in terms of working age people on the island. The status quo is not sustainable for Arran and I am supportive of any measures that would deter future purchases of second homes and ensure that current owners are contributing appropriately to the local economy.’
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Budget Engagement Feedback - Proposed Implementation of an Additional Council Tax Levy on Second Homes Page 6 of 28 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION ‘This is simply a revenue raising proposal to Tax residents who own more than one home and there is no evidence at all that making these homes available to the open market will make them available to people who can afford them. It will have a chilling effect on the economy of both Arran and Cumbrae in that a number of people who are economically active will sell or abandon their second homes to detriment of the well-being of businesses on the islands This will depress the value of other homes on the islands as potentially the market will be flooded with the sales of second Holmes that persons can no longer afford No evidence has been given that extra tax will not be diminished by behavioural changes such as converting the second home into a self-catering property or in case of married individuals realign the ownership of their individual homes.’ ‘I live on an island where the majority of certain areas on this island are second homes. There is a difficulty for those who work on the island to find homes either to rent or buy. If there was more homes then shortages in the care sector may be able to be fulfilled.’ ‘I understand the reasoning. However many of the properties which are second homes on Cumbrae are small. Those who own them are not wealthy. Many have had them for years and chose to holiday here rather than go abroad where they would have had cheap package holidays and guaranteed sunshine. I am in my 70s and have friends who have owned these small flats for decades. They have supported the island's businesses through thick and thin and continue to do so. Some have bought these properties with a view to retirement. We pay council tax to support local needs. Bin collection, schooling, street lighting, upkeep of facilities. The second homeowners hardly use bins, have no children needing educated here and are a very light burden financially. There is a case perhaps for a heavier tax on those with second homes that are depriving locals of family sized homes. If you own a 2/3 bedroom accommodation then you are depriving a local family from that home, so perhaps a higher rate of tax could be implemented.’ ‘I reside on Arran there are a huge number of second homes and not enough homes for working people on the island. All business’ struggle to find staff as there is no accommodation for them but homes lying empty especially over the winter which doesn’t bring revenue to the island.’ ‘If people can afford two houses, they can afford a double tax.’ ‘There is a distinct lack of housing available on Arran. Second homes sit empty for long periods of time, not contributing to the local economy. Our young people have very little chance of getting affordable housing on Arran, so end up moving away.’ ‘There are over 50 homes for sale on Arran, many for considerable periods of time. Many are at prices far below an equivalent price locally in . While there is a lack of affordable housing especially for rental on Arran, the housing market is depressed, either because of limited local people with jobs with high enough income, more people leaving and the devastating impact that the ferry system is having on residents and businesses. I can accept an increase in the council tax will bring welcome money to the council, but even more houses for sale will not help Arran, there is simply no one wanting to buy them frequently. The number of houses on Arran is beyond the number needed for the local population, while many complain of the proportion of second homes on Arran, the number of residents per home is also low. Our bungalow was built in as a second home and has never been a main residence, it is not taking a home away from the community.’
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Budget Engagement Feedback - Proposed Implementation of an Additional Council Tax Levy on Second Homes Page 7 of 28 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION ‘Most of the second homes on Arran are of an unaffordable type for social housing so this is pointless unless they are being used to rent out as a business (I would suggest this is where you look rather than folk like us who don’t get commercial gain from our property) If you try to force house sales the very people who can afford to support the local through hospitality, economy & trades will be gone, and with that more youngsters will leave the island through lack of jobs. Increasing council tax is nothing more than another wealth tax. ‘ ‘Second homes bring much needed revenue to Arran for hospitality and trades. Income for this would be minimised if rely on residents.’ ‘Having lived on the island for 40 years I have seen house prices soar out of the reach of my friends' children. Workers coming here can't find rented accommodation. At the present time, a certain estate agent is actively pushing up house prices here by getting people with a lot of money to make silly bids for second homes, with a knock on effect to the whole housing stock. Unfortunately even this measure isn't going to put off the very rich.’ ‘As owners of a second home we would be forced to reduce the money we at present willingly spend on supporting the community on Arran. The services we use of local trades people - grass cutters, window cleaner, hedge cutter, carpet cleaner, painter and decorator, supplier of fuel, supplier of wood would all have to be curtailed. We would bring cheaper food on to the island as money would require to be saved - thus reducing the revenue of local shops. Given that we do not use the council’s provision of schooling this is an unfair tax on second homeowners. Given we use less of the bin collections as second homeowners this is an unfair tax on second homeowners. Given we bring to the island as second home owners friends and family who are members of the local golf club, who eat in restaurants, who support local businesses, who pay to use the swimming pool in the local hotel, who pay money to carry out holiday pursuits such as kayaking, who use the facilities of Auchrannie it seems totally unfair to penalise second home owners who in every way help the economy of this fragile island. ‘ ‘It's not good when people who live locally can't find anywhere to live when a third of homes on Arran are standing empty most of the time.’ ‘So many people who work on the island or wanted to work on the island are looking for accommodation and some have to leave the island or can't accept an offered job because they don't can't find any place to live. So many of the second homes are empty most of the time and because the owners are not here, they don't contribute to the island economy enough. It would be much better for the economy if they rented a room for the few weeks they spend on the island.’
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Budget Engagement Feedback - Proposed Implementation of an Additional Council Tax Levy on Second Homes Page 8 of 28 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 3. If you have answered yes to question 1, what do you think the maximum premium North Ayrshire Council could charge should be? More information: - 50% premium is the same as one and a half times the normal rate of council tax. - 100% premium is double the normal rate of council tax. Premium Number of responses 0% 29 10% 3 20% 1 25% 3 50% 37 100% 145 150% 1 200% 11 300% 3 500% 1 1000% 1 Text Comments • 500000 • multiple layers • Perhaps variable based on the banding of the properties. Larger properties could absorb a large %age. • Vary according to house size/band 4. Please give reasons to your answer for Q3 SUMMARY OF RESPONSES: The comments reflect a wide range of opinions on an additional council tax levy for second homes, with a focus on balancing the economic benefits of second homes to local tourism and businesses against the need for affordable housing for residents. Key points included a desire for higher taxes (up to 100%) to deter second homes from sitting empty and potentially open up the housing markets on the islands with some advocating for even higher rates to make it financially difficult for second homeowners to retain properties. Others suggested that second homeowners can afford the extra tax and should contribute more. However, there is also concern that excessively high taxes could negatively impact the local economy, particularly if second homes are important for tourism, and that any increase should be carefully managed to avoid harming long- term residents, especially pensioners or families relying on second homes passed down through generations. ‘There is a need for more financial input in the communities where second homes and the roads, local resources including medicines/health is being drained and so support in these areas would enable local communities to thrive.’ ‘This would bring in extra revenue to the council and also perhaps deter people buying a second home to sit empty for the majority of the year.’
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Budget Engagement Feedback - Proposed Implementation of an Additional Council Tax Levy on Second Homes Page 9 of 28 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION ‘100% premium is not a big enough for most second homeowners to take notice.’ ‘Should be at least 100%.’ ‘If you can afford to run 2 homes you can afford double tax. Hopefully, it would discourage second homeowners.’ ‘It's a good way of the council being able to increase its revenue without affecting people who are struggling.’ ‘This may act as a deterrent for people only using the houses as holiday homes.’ ‘50% on my house is only £50 a month, which isn't going to put off a lot of buyers. Even 100% is affordable. 200% is £200 a month, which would make me stop and think about buying a second home here.’ ‘There is no justification for an increase. It would be detrimental to the economy of the island.’ ‘There is a balance to be struck between the importance of second homeowners to the local economy and an understanding that many will be family homes passed to the next generation , against the needs to the wider local community.’ ‘Second homeowners are to be encouraged as they cost the Council virtually nothing and apart from bin collections, they are costing a lot less than permanent residents so there is a case for charging them a discounted rate instead of trying to justify charging them more. A great percentage of second homeowners are pensioners who would be put under extreme financial pressure if their rates doubled. Many will already be struggling with the cancelling of the winter fuel allowance’ ‘Because we should be discouraging people from owning but not utilising their second homes. We should make it financially very difficult for people keep a second home exclusively for their own use.’ ‘Second homes are often bought by rich people - I know enough examples where 50 plus % of the asking price were paid for a house even without having seen it. This inflates house prices enormously and makes it unaffordable for young island families/workers/young people to rent or buy a property.’ ‘If there is to be additional council tax, 50 % would seem to be fairest . Is it possible to do it based on house value / council tax band ? I know there's a lot of small , cheaper flats in Millport used as holiday homes, some passed down through generations - but there are also family sized, far more expensive homes . Perhaps those with properties band c and over?’ ‘Fair enough to have a small premium on the people who have a second home but 50% or 100% is way too much.’ ‘Possibly a bit less than 50%. This would make enough of a difference to the Island's revenue but should not be too onerous a financial burden on owners.’ ‘Many of the holiday flats in Millport are tiny - too small for full time occupation other than perhaps by a single adult - and will be band A. I have no problem with these being second homes, indeed many were built for this purpose. Larger flats and houses with the potential to be family accommodation should be taxed more, especially in areas such as
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Budget Engagement Feedback - Proposed Implementation of an Additional Council Tax Levy on Second Homes Page 10 of 28 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Arran where there is a real shortage. Suggest a sliding scale with 100% applied to the larger properties.’ ‘Second homes are killing the community on Arran. The owners must be fairly well off to afford to keep two homes so I think that they should contribute more to the local community.’ ‘I believe that if somebody has the income to afford a second home, they likely have the income to afford 50% more on council tax. Raising it to 100% makes this less attainable for people and hopefully acts as a deterrent.’ ‘If you can afford to have a second home, you can afford to contribute more towards local amenities. A second home can have a negative impact on rural areas with poor housing availability.’ ‘If people can afford a second home, they can presumably afford a higher council tax charge. The tax premium could be higher, however, it's probably best to monitor the effects of the 100% premium before considering a further increase. Arran has an acute affordable housing crisis and the extra revenue raised could alleviate this. The consultation exercise states 40% of the funding raised is to be ring-fenced for Affordable Housing across North Ayrshire. Around 80% of second homes within North Ayrshire are located in Arran and Cumbrae and I feel that the Islands should get the benefit of this proportion of the money and Arran should have its own ring-fenced Affordable Housing Fund before it is made available to the rest of North Ayrshire. Also, this revenue should be made available for properly constituted groups such as the Arran Development Trust to construct more Affordable Housing on the island, before funding for any other Housing Associations or the Local Authority are given access to it. In monetary terms, the figure that could be made available for more affordable housing would be in the region of £1m per annum. As the Islands will deliver the increase and bulk of the revenue, they should be entitled to the bulk of the benefit first; both in terms of affordable housing and services.’
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Budget Engagement Feedback - Proposed Implementation of an Additional Council Tax Levy on Second Homes Page 11 of 28 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 5. If you do, or were to, own a second home, please tell us what you would do if the applicable rate of council tax were to increase, and the ‘thresholds’ to be classed as self-catering holiday accommodation for non-domestic rates purposes stayed the same? More information: the current threshold for defining premises as self- catering holiday accommodation liable for non-domestic rates is it must be available to let for 140 days or more and actually let for 70 days or more in the same financial year.
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Budget Engagement Feedback - Proposed Implementation of an Additional Council Tax Levy on Second Homes Page 12 of 28 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 6. Please tell us how you think changes to council tax might affect businesses in your area. SUMMARY OF RESPONSES: The comments received in the survey show a concern about the potential negative impact on businesses of a levy, particularly in tourist-dependent areas like Arran or Cumbrae. Many respondents highlight that second homeowners contribute significantly to the local economy, spending on local businesses such as shops, restaurants, and trades. Some felt that a potential decrease in second home ownership could lead to reduced tourism, lower spending, and closures of businesses, especially during off- peak seasons. However, some see a possible upside, suggesting that if these homes were rented out long-term, it could provide affordable housing for locals and attract more permanent residents, which might help businesses by providing a stable workforce. ‘Slight reduction in available short term rental properties would not have a massive impact on businesses. Important the balance is correct, as decimating the holiday let market would have a knock on effect on every business on Arran. Less available holiday lets may increase occupancy in local hotels & B&B's.’ ‘Cumbrae holds its own data zone in SIMD statistics. It has a very fragile economy which is dependent on income received from tourism. There surely has to be acknowledgment of this fact. Take the tourism away and the island will decline further. Also the recognition that if more housing became available to purchase or rent on the island the deprivation will still exist and in fact be increased. Many islanders do not have sufficient income, hence food larders, fuel poverty etc. They would not be able to purchase any new properties to the market and there would be many islanders who would lose income from holiday lets, cleaners who would not be needed, laundry that would not be needed etc. The businesses would all suffer. Maybe a recognition is needed that North Ayrshire consists of areas with different economic characteristics.’ ‘An increase in council tax revenue would help protect other services, which in turn help the whole of the local economy including all businesses. If more properties become holiday options, this could increase revenue for tourism based businesses, and local tradesmen.’ ‘This change may encourage people to sell their second homes, especially those used as self-catering accommodation. This could have a detrimental effect in the area as there could be less accommodation available to tourists.’ ‘If people are forced to sell homes, then island would need to rely on income from islanders. Also only very wealthy could afford second homes and they often spend less time on island contributing to community so more empty houses and less money in islands.’ ‘Accommodation is vital to people looking for employment on the island. At the moment available vacancies are not being taken because the applicants cannot find accommodation.’ ‘Most second homeowners accept we pay a premium for everything on Arran, but faced with large Council Tax rises it will be necessary to bring cheaper goods, materials &
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Budget Engagement Feedback - Proposed Implementation of an Additional Council Tax Levy on Second Homes Page 13 of 28 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION employ trades from the mainland. We will also need to budget how much we now spend in restaurants & local shops so these will be affected also.’ ‘It is causing second homeowners and holiday homeowners to put their houses on the market. This will result in less holiday makers to spend their money in the shops and restaurants etc. so that will have a big impact on the economy of the Island.’ ‘If the empty houses were fully occupied, I don't think there would be a huge impact on local businesses.’ ‘If the raised council tax achieved its presumed aim to reduce second home ownership perhaps local property prices would fall, but I suspect that the disposable income of the owners may also fall and have an effect on retail, hospitality, building maintenance businesses. If all the second homes were occupied full time, then the local authority would have increased expenditure too.’ ‘As a resident on the Isle of Arran, raising the council tax would greatly affect the local economy. Second homeowners bring a significant amount of finance to the island and helps local businesses.’ ‘Property market would be badly impacted and house values would drop. Local shops, hospitality businesses, Plumbers, electricians, joiners, builders, gardeners, window cleaners would all lose customers if they lose second homeowners and the council would see a reduction in income and a probable increase in expenditure as permanent residents would use more council services than second homeowners.’ ‘Business would be boosted as there would be more permanent residents. This would give all year round business with locals using local businesses. It would also mean an increase in hotels, guesthouses and proper B&Bs turnover.’ ‘Freeing up empty homes for either long term letting or holiday letting would benefit businesses because it would help alleviate the staff shortages by providing housing or providing more tourism accommodation - both of which we need on Arran.’ ‘It would be good for businesses (pubs, restaurants, shops...) to have customers all year around and not only being flooded during the busy summer month. It would have a positive impact on communities if more houses were inhabited by people living and working on the island all year.’ ‘I think that businesses in our area would be adversely affected by more permanent homes because this would bring a lack of tourism which is the only industry on our island.’ ‘Arran is predominantly a holiday island and if you over tax the homeowners then they will just sell up and move elsewhere. We are already seeing the rental market in places like Edinburgh spiralling out of control due to meddling. Perhaps if more of these houses do come on the market then more islanders could possibly buy them but there then would be more benefits to pay out as a lot of islanders would lose their job as they work in the rental/holiday sector.’ ‘Speaking for Millport, holiday homes have been the life blood of the island and many are used by various family members and friends bringing trade to the island for generations even if a main holiday is taken abroad. It would lead to a loss of trade all round if these holiday homes were lost.’
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Budget Engagement Feedback - Proposed Implementation of an Additional Council Tax Levy on Second Homes Page 14 of 28 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION ‘If the revenue used can be used for affordable housing, more workers could settle on the island and businesses would be able to employ the workers they need to operate to their business potential. Many businesses and organisations currently have to provide live-in accommodation for team members. This is very costly and affects business sustainability. Health care, and education could also be delivered more effectively. More jobs could be created in trades, garden maintenance etc. There are currently shortages of workers in all sectors and island infrastructure is in a fragile state.’ 7. Please tell us how you think changes to the maximum council tax rate for second homes might affect your local area (social, economic, environment, community, cultural, enterprise). SUMMARY OF RESPONSES: The comments indicate differing perspectives on the potential impact of a council tax levy on second homes. There were concerns over the negative economic consequences of discouraging second home ownership, as many second homeowners contribute significantly to local businesses, particularly in off-peak seasons. Respondents worry that higher taxes could lead to property sales, creating a glut of empty homes, reducing tourism, and causing local businesses to suffer, with potential job losses and economic decline. Some see the possibility of more permanent residents and affordable housing, which could benefit the local community, reduce crime, and encourage local enterprise. A number of respondents felt that a levy could change the social fabric of island communities, leading to a decline in both economic activity and community spirit. ‘More opportunity for local people who live and work on Arran being able to rent or buy homes that become available, as house prices will inevitably take a slight drop. This will stop people having to leave the island as they cannot afford homes and boost the local economy by providing a workforce where unemployment is currently almost zero.’ ‘I would hope that this would boost the local economy as more working age people would be able to live and work on Arran. Many second homes lie empty for much of the year and are therefore not contributing to the local economy in any way.’ ‘If this proposal results in less second Homes being available for personal use or in other cases being available for self-catering use this will have deleterious effect on Economy of in particular the Islands in that it will restrict the number well-off tourist and families from spending money on the businesses on the islands.’ ‘So much depends on whether the council tax premium is high enough to return properties to market. Supporting local population growth and the economic, social etc that would come along side that. If it is not high enough then we would just have some additional income to support local services What would worry me is people exchanging holiday / second homes for camper vans with all if the problems they bring.’ ‘We need tourism for the economy, we need homes for the community. Business’ need tourism but also staff. People snapping up second homes have forced the house prices up making it difficult for local people to afford anything and a lot have to move off island as they have no choice.’ ‘The main sources of employment on Arran are Hospitality, Trades, Retail (shops) Agriculture & public Services. Four of these will be adversely affected by increasing the cost of owning a second home as owners look to make savings then local Employment
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Budget Engagement Feedback - Proposed Implementation of an Additional Council Tax Levy on Second Homes Page 15 of 28 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION reduces (especially in Winter which is a hard enough time for local business to endure without Tourists) Community initiatives (such as Lamlash Improvements) will suffer from reduced donations & people will be discouraged from renovating or building new homes.’ ‘Our house is on the market but we can’t sell it because of second homeowners and holiday homeowners who are now trying to sell as they know about the council tax doubling and because of new regulations so we have been caught up in the middle of all this. We are trying to move off the Island to the mainland. The housing market seems to have collapsed on the Island now. It may result in bringing the price of property down. Also, there will be less holiday makers to spend their money in the shops and restaurants etc. so that will have a big impact on the economy of the Island.’ ‘The great majority of second homeowners have been supporting the local social/economic services for in many cases , generations and are on limited incomes and pensioners so increasing their council tax would be grossly unfair.’ ‘It may discourage people from owning property as a second home. That would reduce the number of visitors who have enough money to spend on leisure on the island. When I was younger, I brought family and friends to the island who happily ate at restaurants, used facilities such as Auchrannie, played golf etc - all adding to the economy and livelihoods of the local residents. I think the future of fewer second homeowners would greatly reduce that revenue.’ ‘It would have positive effects. Bars and restaurants would have more customers more equally spread over the whole year and not only the busy summer month. Perhaps this could mean that prices would come down and be more affordable for the island population. Perhaps some businesses might also suffer because second homeowners need work men for looking after their properties (mowing grass etc).’ ‘This will be very bad for Millport. A fragile island community will be hit hard and potentially destroyed by putting many people who love the island of Cumbrae in a position where they can no longer afford their 2nd home. As most of these homes are not suitable for you families on the island the negative impact will not be offset by providing more housing for people on the island looking to stay on the island as they are just not appropriate.’ ‘Introducing changes to the maximum council tax rate for second homes in our area would likely have a negative impact on tourism and the local economy. Many of the second homes are used as holiday lets, which attract tourists who contribute significantly to local businesses—shops, restaurants, and services. A reduction in the availability of these properties could lead to a decline in tourism, reducing income for local enterprises. Moreover, increasing taxes on these properties will not solve the housing affordability issue. The homes in question are typically valued in the hundreds of thousands, far beyond the reach of those seeking affordable housing. Instead of freeing up affordable homes, this measure could discourage investment in the area and diminish its appeal as a tourist destination, ultimately harming the local economy and community.’ ‘My concern in Millport is that we would end up with under-occupied holiday rentals and/or empty studio flats, many in buildings which are already in a poor state of repair. In particular properties as mentioned above which are band A for council tax and too small
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Budget Engagement Feedback - Proposed Implementation of an Additional Council Tax Levy on Second Homes Page 16 of 28 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION to be permanent residences - it’s likely that increased council tax on these would mean less spent on maintenance.’ ‘Local businesses would suffer most, with that the island community would struggle and I’d imagine local people would be forced off the islands for work. If homes are put up for sale on mass, then many would lie empty indefinitely, potentially with the owners unable to pay mortgages and the tax bill. Then left to slowly rot as there would be little likelihood of a resale.’ ‘The standard of living for those who are at home here would drastically increase. More (affordable) housing would bring more families and professionals who in turn would make sports clubs, after school activities, choirs, etc more viable. More money would come to the area because people would live here all year round. The environment would also benefit greatly as second homes tend to have bare, often paved gardens, to make them easier to maintain. There would also be more money to invest in social activities, etc as well as enough people to make those viable.’ 8. Please tell us how you think the changes identified might affect any island communities. SUMMARY OF RESPONSES: The comments show a mix of opinions regarding the impact of a levy on second homes, particularly on Arran and Cumbrae. Major points that emerge include concerns about the economic impact, with many arguing that second homes play a crucial role in supporting local businesses, tourism, and the local economy. Several respondents worry that increasing taxes on second homes could lead to business closures, higher unemployment, and a reduction in tourism. Others expressed hope that a levy could lead to more affordable housing for full-time residents, potentially improving the availability of staff for local businesses. Many surveys responses referenced the ongoing ferry issues and infrastructure issues. In general, the comments reflect a strong divide between those who see potential benefits in reform and those who fear adverse effects on the island's economy. ‘Island communities could be very badly affected by the proposed increase in council tax for second homeowners because the tourist industry could collapse on the island and then there would be more unemployment.’ ‘This proposal has the potential to really harm island communities. If this forces second homeowners to sell then then it will not be the locals who can afford to buy them so there will be no benefit to them. If it is businesses that are sold or closed down then an already poor island "locally" will just become even poorer with less jobs to go for so forcing locals to leave the island and the population will just get older.’ ‘If it resulted in more holiday makers (i.e. the house was let out more) it won't make much change (only positive for businesses). If it were let long term or sold for full time residential then there would be more people around to build a community. However if every house was full time owner occupied there would be less accommodation available for holiday makers. In the short term that might be a problem for businesses who rely on tourists outside of Brodick, but longer term, more purpose built self-catering would be developed and ultimately a better balance would be achieved.’
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Budget Engagement Feedback - Proposed Implementation of an Additional Council Tax Levy on Second Homes Page 17 of 28 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION ‘I would hope that houses would become available for long term let and therefore supports the economic stability of the island’ ‘I agree with The Arran Development Trust Opinion: The ADT agrees with Doubling of Second Homes Tax, recognising it will have the biggest impact on Island Economies (Arran & Cumbrae), where around 80% of second homes within North Ayrshire are located. As such, the ADT feels the Islands should get most if not all of the benefits. There are approximately 1495 Second Homes in North Ayrshire and of these,1031 are on Arran and Cumbrae. The consultation exercise states 40% of the funding raised in this way is to be ring-fenced for Affordable Housing across North Ayrshire. The ADT believe that Arran should have its own ring-fenced Affordable Housing Fund before it is made available to the rest of North Ayrshire. Also, it should be made available for properly constituted groups such as the ADT to access to construct more Affordable Housing on the island and before any other Housing Associations/Local Authority have access to it and lost to mainland projects. In monetary terms, the figure which could be made available for more affordable housing would be in the region of £1m per annum. In summary, it is the ADT’s opinion that as the Islands will deliver the increase and bulk of the revenue, they should be entitled to the bulk of the benefit first; both in terms of affordable housing and services.’ ‘If less people owned second homes, the younger generation that were born and bred in the area would have a better chance of finding accommodation, therefore keeping jobs local.’ ‘If the revenue used can be used for affordable housing and the island is able to attract more workers EVERYONE on the island would benefit. The economy (which is stuck at pre-pandemic levels and in danger of falling further) would be able to grow. Quality of life would improve for the community, through better delivery of health and social care services, education, a more vibrant, thriving economy with more businesses operating to capacity. It is also exceptionally difficult to secure trades people to assist with garden or other maintenance projects, domestic/commercial breakdown and property building and improvement. Arran's infrastructure is currently crumbling .... money to build affordable housing would solve all of that.’ ‘Raising council tax on second homes generates greater income to invest on the island and recognises the greater contribution to the life on the island of those who live there year round to those who hold houses which are unoccupied for a majority of the year. Much more needs to be done; raising income tax on second homes feels a minimal step, but at least it goes in the right direction.’ ‘Many second homes on Cumbrae are very small, old flats which should be exempt from any increase council tax as bringing them to the open market is unlikely to attract full time residents. They are too small and energy inefficient to live in all year. Exclude Council tax A properties from the new charge. There are also a number of more modern family homes which stand empty for more than 40 weeks of the year which could be occupied all year and contribute to the local community at all levels if they were put up for sale. If not sold the owners should make a far larger financial contribution than they currently do to the island.’ ‘My family have been second homeowners on the island of Cumbrae since . Second home ownership was encouraged then, and it was
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Budget Engagement Feedback - Proposed Implementation of an Additional Council Tax Levy on Second Homes Page 18 of 28 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION discounted at 50%. The Local Authority then encouraged a mixture of local home ownership and social housing so that there was a balance between locals/second homeowners/tourists/day-trippers. My feeling is that the island would suffer significantly if second-home owners were to be penalised by doubling Council Tax, when they use very little of the Council Services. It would also affect those considering purchasing a property in the future.’ ‘I hope it will encourage more locals to stay on the island and for young working families to come and live on the island. We need young workers to fill health and social care positions as well as working in tourism. Our primary school numbers are dwindling where they once thrived and it is impossible for local businesses to find staff to fill vacancies. If housing is unaffordable because of market forces, then island communities will simply die and islands become retirement destinations without the infrastructure to even support that.’ ‘The issue about the shortage of affordable housing is understood. However, penalising and driving out second homeowners is not the solution. Second homeowners bring valuable income to the island and many second homes have a value that would not make them affordable if they were sold. There could be a risk of subduing the local property market and that is detrimental to the whole island.’ ‘Cumbrae is a unique island, and policies that might be appropriate for Arran are not always suited to Cumbrae. The demographics, economy and property are very different, and a one-size fits all policy could not work for both. A more targeted policy is required that recognises the unique circumstances on Cumbrae and does not punish it for conditions on its larger neighbour.’ 9. Please specify whether your answer to Question 8 relates to:
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Budget Engagement Feedback - Proposed Implementation of an Additional Council Tax Levy on Second Homes Page 20 of 28 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION ‘Yes, I believe the proposed council tax hikes for second homes will have significant impacts on human rights, children's rights, and the socio-economic wellbeing of Arran as a traditional holiday island. These changes are not only financially harmful but also threaten the rights and stability of island residents, particularly families and children. Human Rights: Raising council tax on second homes disproportionately affects small property owners, many of whom are locals who have invested in the island’s holiday rental market as their primary or supplemental income. The right to property is a fundamental human right, and imposing steep financial burdens threatens this by forcing individuals to sell their homes or face financial hardship. Furthermore, these proposals infringe on the right to live in and enjoy one’s property without undue interference by the state. Children's Rights: The potential economic fallout from these tax hikes directly affects children on the island. As businesses fail due to fewer holidaymakers, employment opportunities for families dwindle, leading to increased financial insecurity. This creates an unstable environment for children, with long-term impacts on their development, education, and mental wellbeing. Children have a right to grow up in a community where their families can provide for them without facing unnecessary financial pressure from local policy changes. Socio-Economic Wellbeing: Arran has been a traditional holiday island for decades, and its economy is deeply intertwined with tourism. The proposed council tax hikes will discourage holiday rentals, reducing visitor numbers and undermining the local economy. The loss of holiday homes and the subsequent drop in tourism income will have a devastating socio-economic impact, leading to job losses and the closure of local businesses. This will disproportionately affect low-income families and vulnerable individuals on the island, who rely on seasonal work and tourism-related income to survive. Island Impact: Arran, like many island communities, is already at a disadvantage due to its geographical isolation, compounded by years of ferry disruption. These proposed tax hikes could further isolate the island by reducing its appeal as a holiday destination, while driving up housing costs for residents. This would shrink the population and hollow out the island community, affecting the overall socio-economic fabric. Long-term, this could lead to the loss of cultural heritage as well, as fewer people are able to afford to live and work on the island. In conclusion, these changes will erode the rights of property owners, destabilize families and children’s wellbeing, and cause deep socio-economic harm to the island. We urge reconsideration of this damaging proposal in favour of policies that protect both the local economy and the rights of island residents.’ ‘The Millport community is made up of a large population of small second homes, a lot of which have been in the same family ownership for generations. The possibility of having to sell their homes due to the additional costs or reduce the amount of money they have to spend or number of visits will make a significant negative impact.’ ‘If the additional money raised can be spent on cheaper homes for young people to keep them on the island, then this will be a benefit. It means that people stop resenting the fact that I can afford two homes then this is an additional benefit.’ ‘Suggesting that there are negatives relating to equality, human rights and children’s rights arising from second home ownership on Cumbrae is laughable, based on zero evidence from the island. The impacts of the proposed change otherwise are likely to be negative if they lead to the majority of second homeowners seeking to sell their property.’
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Budget Engagement Feedback - Proposed Implementation of an Additional Council Tax Levy on Second Homes Page 21 of 28 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION ‘I think if we lose 2nd homeowners because of council tax increases it would affect all aspects of local life. Some 2nd homeowners live permanently in North Ayrshire and already pay council tax to North Ayrshire. There would be no extra money being spent on the island by these owners who keep restaurants and local bars open and therefore local jobs.’ ‘Positive Wellbeing and socioeconomic impacts from island residents and families being able to choose to stay and live and work on the island instead of having to leave for jobs and accommodation on the mainland’ ‘People buy properties based on reasonable assumptions of the tax rules. Their property has already been expropriated when these rules have changed: council tax has already doubled (from 50%), stamp duty has been raised, and now another council tax rises is contemplated. These are effectively wealth taxes, which a number of countries have tried but then abandoned as they simply drive capital and enterprise to other places. The social and economic impact of the proposed changes would be the last straw for the islands' already faltering economies and the people who depend on them, since with agriculture being in decline, tourism (both short-term and long-term residency) is the life blood of the community.’ ‘Islands currently do not have equality with the mainland in terms of affordable housing provision. Many Island residents do not have an adequate warm, and well-maintained home due to the lack of affordable housing on the island and we have a shortage of workers on the island. More affordable housing created from this new revenue would be a game changer for Arran.’ 12. Is there anything else you would like to tell us in relation to this consultation? SUMMARY OF RESPONSES: The comments show a significant difference of opinion between those who are for and those are against the additional council tax levy. Of those who are against the levy, many indicate that they are second homeowners and feel they are being unfairly targeted despite already contributing to the local economy. They raise concerns about the negative economic impact on island communities, including reduced tourism, a potential decline in property values, and the loss of vital income. On the other hand, many respondents felt that the levy could discourage second home ownership, thereby leading to greater availability of housing for people, particularly on our island communities, and preventing young people from having to leave for the mainland. Of those who are not opposed to the levy, many emphasise that the revenue from increased taxes should be ring-fenced for the local communities directly affected, and that the focus should shift to developing affordable housing. ‘Maybe think about a 200% increase for new buyers and keep 100% for folk with existing holiday homes. A good number of the latter are very attached to their properties (obviously not all) and it would be sad to see them have to give up houses which have been in their families for generations.’ ‘Please bear in mind, that many Arran homes have Summer Houses for Back Houses, these second homes are classed as such as they are independent of the main house. But in many cases, they are in the gardens, use share utilities from the main house. These are not suitable for long term renting, they are not fully independent or accessible
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Budget Engagement Feedback - Proposed Implementation of an Additional Council Tax Levy on Second Homes Page 22 of 28 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION to long term renters, they cannot be easily sold and separated off. This classification of a Back House should be explored’ ‘I think it's a poor and short sighted approach penalising people who have committed and invested in the island. Smacks of somewhere between easy opportunity and the politics of envy. Additionally it is my intention to retire to my second within 5 years. If the council tax doubles, I would seriously think of selling my property, and the appropriate capital gains tax, if any, going to central government.’ ‘Although I am a second homeowner, I don’t consider myself wealthy. I moved from a semidetached house to a flat in order to afford the second home. I need to live in the flat to help with childcare for my daughter so giving that up is not really an option. I maintain the second home which is old and that is difficult and costly. Managing to get work done while booking paying holidaymakers is very daunting. It is also a costly process to meet the licensing requirements. Nonetheless, I may be forced to make the house available for holiday lets. Making the second home my main residence would also be considered and given the frequency of my visits would not be impractical. It is probably worth bearing in mind that it is common for second homeowners to move permanently to the second home when they no longer need to live in the area where they are employed.’ ‘Second homeowners who actually use their second homes (either themselves or their friends/family) should be excluded from much higher council tax rates - they are contributing to the area’s economy. But they should have to prove that the houses are being used 50% of the time.’ ‘I am sadly aware of the misuse and avoidance of paying 2nd council tax on so called holiday homes, and many of my friends here are, too. One owner has listed their house as a self-catering residence to rent, which I presume is to get business tax relief but only the owners use it, and this year, and last year, it was used solely by them for 2 weeks.’ ‘If you insist on implementing this may be you should consider a “tier” system to council tax for second homes based on current levels - i.e. band A being exempt and higher up graded % charge not just a clean 50 or 100% levy. ‘ ‘There were 176 house on Arran claiming small business rates relief. That is paying no Council Tax. I personally know several of these are not Business's but second homes used for personal use. I believe the council has some oversight responsibility in administering this. If it is not made clear what checks to validate second homes claiming business rates relief, there will be a rapid move to claim Business Rates Relief without complying with the rules. The effect will be a net reduction in income to the Council.’ ‘Even if you ask all second homeowners what they would do, you don't really know what they would do until the scheme is implemented. I would expect that lots of second homeowners will say that they have inherited a family property that they don't want to sell because of the emotional connection and don't want to rent because of the (perceived) condition or not wanting strangers in their house. I get this, as I could not afford to purchase my family home when other relatives wanted to sell and so now someone else lives in it. It hurts that someone else lives in the home that I grew up in, but at least they live there full time and are active in the community and really that is what is more important. So my point is that other people have had the luxury of inheriting and being able to maintain their family home as very little cost to them and maximum cost to communities, they now have to choose, is it worth keeping it and paying the extra
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Budget Engagement Feedback - Proposed Implementation of an Additional Council Tax Levy on Second Homes Page 23 of 28 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION council tax? If not, they have options including long term lets that would really help keep families on the island.’ ‘Please help Arran to get the affordable housing it needs with this new revenue which is being created from our island. With more affordable accommodation (and a decent ferry service) Arran will once again become a vibrant economy with a growing population and which needs less support from the public sector.’ ‘I assume that one objective of increasing the council tax is to reduce the number of second homes making more of them available for people on the island to buy. I don’t believe this will be achieved. I think the economy will suffer, reducing pay and jobs, making it even more difficult for people on the island to own their own home and make a living there. It will reduce the number of properties available to rent and reduce the number of people staying in the island. It may result in islanders leaving and reducing the population in negative spiral. Overall, I believe it will have a negative outcome.’ ‘I think second homeowners should have to pay a premium for these houses, it might put people off buying second homes. Many lie empty for the majority of the year and there are people in desperate need of housing.’ ‘I just hope that this is taken forward in some degree. I'm not sure it will have a huge impact but until we try something to rebalance island communities then I'm just not sure what else we can do. Islanders feel that their way of life and heritage is being slowly drained away. Where I live there are only a handful of actual native islanders along with a tiny amount of permanent residents. Perhaps there should be slightly different legislation for island communities with regard to owning a second home. While it is undoubtedly lovely to own a holiday home on a Scottish island, it is far from a necessity (or a human right!) and I for one would not be sorry to see the numbers reduced in whatever way is possible.’ ‘Perhaps to raise revenue consider taxing the camper vans upon entry. Maybe a consultation on a tourist tax and how the money raised could be used to improve the local community would be useful. I do not believe raising council taxes in this way will address a fundamental requirement for affordable housing on the island. If it goes ahead, it will likely take money away from the islands you are looking to support.’ ‘We did not buy our property - it is a family home which we were lucky enough to inherit. In doubling the council tax there is an underlying assumption that everyone who has a second home is wealthy and has the means to pay double the amount. If the proposed additional premium were proportionate and a reasonable amount / percentage, second homeowners might be well disposed to paying it if they knew it was going to be directly invested in increasing the provision of local affordable housing and improving the quality of life for islanders.’
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Budget Engagement Feedback - Proposed Implementation of an Additional Council Tax Levy on Second Homes Page 24 of 28 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 13. Please tell us which of the following categories best describe you (select all that apply): Engagement Group Feedback Redburn Grove Tenants Group This council tax premium should be enforced for second homes Three Towns Community Shed •If people can afford a second home, they can afford higher tax •Agree on proposal •Reduce cost of local property Healing Hearts Group This is a positive - should introduce it. Scottish Syrian Roses Most felt this would have no impact as it will only affect homeowners. Long Covid Group Agree to introducing it. Kilbirnie Residents - Syrian & Ukrainian New Scots Women Participants stated that people who own two houses “are rich”. Big ESOL class, Syrian, Afghan learners -If you use homes a business/trade, yes, because of income. -If second homes are used for family members to live in, no. Newtown Men’s Shed 100% agree with this. Online Consultation - Ukrainian •Two respondents agreed with the proposal. •Another was unsure, needing more information on the subject. •Two disagreed with one stating, ‘We need birth rate and population growth. How we can do it if we don’t have an affordable housing?’. NAFCO Should be implemented
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 1 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 2025 to 2026 Budget Engagement Findings Community Facilities and Car Parking Appendix 2
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 2 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Contents Demographics ...................................................................................................................................................................................................... 4 Review of KA Leisure Facilities and Charges ........................................................................................................................................................... 6 Public Libraries – Retention of all locality hub libraries and Cumbrae Library ......................................................................................................... 15 Closure of Arran Outdoor Education Centre ......................................................................................................................................................... 30 Review of Services at Eglinton Country Park ......................................................................................................................................................... 39 Introduction of Car Parking Charges at Council Owned Car Parks ......................................................................................................................... 46
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 3 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION About this Document / Method This document contains the summarised feedback from the 2025 to 2026 Council Budget Engagement undertaken between 10th October and 25th November 2024. It contains survey findings, engagement group feedback and where relevant, comments from trade unions. Due to the scale of the consultation, information has been analysed by theme as per the surveys issued: 1. Additional Council Tax Levy on Second Homes 2. Community Facilities and Car Parking (this report) 3. Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People 4. Service Delivery 5. Taxes and Levies 6. Waste Services This approach is more comprehensive than providing a single statistics or feedback document and enables quicker distribution to Elected Members and Officers for consideration. Please note: As the survey was divided by theme, if there is a need to combine findings across the engagement exercise caution should be used to ensure reference is made to the number of responses, rather than number of respondents. Open field questions produced an extensive amount of feedback, running to at least 10,000 words per survey. To make this manageable, this feedback has been examined manually and summarised for each question. As well as the summary, key examples of feedback are then quoted for each question to ensure the voices of our communities are directly visible. This text is as received by our respondents.
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 4 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Demographics
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 6 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Review of KA Leisure Facilities and Charges 1. The Council is consider reducing funding to KA Leisure. We are looking to understand your views on this review. 2. Have you any additional comments you wish to make on the review of KA Leisure facilities and charges and on how you think people will be impacted? SUMMARY: - Impact on Health and Wellbeing: Many comments stress that KA Leisure facilities are vital for both physical and mental health, particularly in a community with high levels of deprivation and health issues. Increases in prices or service reductions could exacerbate these problems by reducing access to essential activities, leading to greater health costs in the long run. - Affordability and Access: There are concerns that rising prices will price out individuals and families, particularly those on low incomes, from accessing leisure facilities. Several comments highlight the importance of keeping services affordable, especially for vulnerable groups like children, seniors, and those with health conditions. Discounts or subsidies for low-income users are mentioned as essential for maintaining participation. - Community and Social Impact: KA Leisure's services are seen as crucial for the local community, providing spaces for youth activities, fitness classes, and social engagement. Many fear that reducing these services would increase social isolation, mental health issues, and even crime, especially for young people who currently have limited alternatives. “Fitness is really important to both young and old. It also helps to prevent many physical and mental health issues and therefore making this more expensive or closing services would have a negative impact on the individual and health services.” “Provided there are still appropriate discounted or funded provisions for those who need them most, I believe that most people who can afford gym memberships and hire of LA Leisure facilities will be able to pay for the increase or be able to afford to move to another facility. The costs rise in hire of halls and football pitches will mostly impact community sport clubs - primarily football clubs - but also group like the table tennis club and others. If those groups
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 7 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION made better use of other funding offered by NAC, then they should be able to manage the price increase.” “There are already issues with KA Leisure centres with equipment often being out of order or classes/pool sessions cancelled. Changes to any charges would be accepted if these helped cover better facilities. I believe it is important to protect the lower charges for those with health issues and/or income. Also having car parks available for free to members or people using the facilities but charged otherwise may help creating space to park and allow an additional payment stream particularly at Largs.” “This will inevitably lead to price rises and service cuts reducing access for the less well-off and discouraging children from participating in activities. This will cost more in the longer term through benefits, vandalism, mental health services. It is an easy target, but a foolish one.” “Moderate price rises would be acceptable.” “Physical and mental health are so closely connected, residents should be able to improve both with the services from the local authority and should be fully subsidised by council tax funds.” “Reducing access hours basically reduces access. To increase the possibility of participation in activities and reap the benefit of this contributing to health outcomes the cost of participation should be lowered and the availability increased.” “Price increases are only one method of making savings. I understand that those who are deemed to be suffering from poverty and on certain benefits will continue to receive free or reduced fees. However given that the Authority needs to find £16M is it not time that such privileges are withdrawn and that a can’t pay, can’t have approach be adopted.” “Reduce funding to save cuts to the council” “KA leisure is such an important facility providing affordable access to fitness - I’m not in a low income bracket but I couldn’t afford to pay more than KA’s prices for a gym or a swim. I’m sure I’m not the only one. KA providing this service at an affordable price is helping not only physical health but mental health. I like to swim for my mental health. Some weeks I don’t have £4 to spare so I have to miss it but most weeks I’m there!”
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 9 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 4. Please use this space if you wish to provide further information on your answer (s) above. SUMMARY: - Price increases and reduced services may disproportionately affect low-income families, pensioners and children, creating barriers for accessing essential leisure and educational facilities. - Those just above the income threshold for support feel excluded, while care-experienced individuals and people with a disability may face additional challenges due to affordability and accessibility issues. - The importance of programmes like swimming lessons and group activities is highlighted for their role in supporting health, safety, and community integration. “All of these protected characteristics would potentially be affected with increased cost either to classes or the additional cost of parking.” “I appreciate that the Access Plus program is designed to mitigate the impact of price increases for those on low incomes, changes to service availability or increased costs could still affect their ability to access recreational facilities.” “It will impact everyone regardless of age/sex/race” “I think this will affect communities first and foremost and that includes anyone with protected characteristics. You will be putting barriers up for poor families accessing leisure. We want to encourage people to keep active and healthy given we have an ageing population.” 5. Do you think the proposal is likely to have an effect on any island communities which is significantly different from its effect on other communities (including other island communities) in North Ayrshire 6. If you answered “yes to the above question, please use this space to provide further information. SUMMARY: A significant number of respondents felt that island communities like Arran and Cumbrae already face significant limitations in access to leisure and public services compared to mainland residents. Reductions in services or increased costs would exacerbate this disparity,
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 10 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION leaving them with few or no alternatives due to geographical constraints, such as ferry issues and higher travel expenses. In addition, it was felt any potential reduction in libraries and leisure centres may be detrimental to the physical, mental, and social well-being of island residents. These facilities serve as vital community hubs for recreation, education, and socialisation, and their reduction could contribute to isolation, depopulation, and a decline in community cohesion. “Island communities are cut off enough already. Reduced services will exacerbate the problem and probably lead to further depopulation. These communities should be supported more to make them more attractive to families.” “Islanders can’t travel easily to use an alternative facility and prices of other things on islands already have a premium on them” “KA Leisure – services available and accessibility – is significantly reduced in island communities than it is on the mainland. Further reductions/cuts will just render it pointless on the islands, which isn’t fair.” “The people in island communities in North Ayrshire already suffer from a chronic lack of investment in infrastructure & increasing uncertainty around links to services – this is only going to make matters worse!” “As a mainlander we already feel restricted can only imagine this is worse for islanders.”
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 11 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Feedback on the ‘Review of KA Leisure Facilities and Charges’ from Engagement Groups Name of Group Feedback Redburn Grove Tenants Group The members felt that reducing the service and increasing costs would both have an impact on all communities and residents in North Ayrshire. Many of the members felt although they do not use this facility, this would have a high impact on already struggling families and also increase the issue of people not taking part in exercising and have a knock on effect of mental health and loneliness. North Coast Youth Forum • Social Aspect for young people • Safe space • Resort to going outside which could lead to antisocial behaviours. • Gym after school • Increase price may mean fewer people would go and fewer opportunities for low income families. No swimming lessons for young people and could lead to children not learning how to swim which may cause an exclusion from friends as living near the sea in summer gives young people water sport opportunities. It could also be a danger risk. • Free sessions during summer – 3-7 times a week. North Ayrshire Sports Academy “I would like KA Leisure prices decreased for the gym and hall let hire.” Equal Supported Employment - Creative Writing Group The group has limited experience of paying for services such as Waste disposal and Bulky Disposal rates however all felt strongly about the loss of libraries and the reduction in KA Leisure services. Most use libraries regularly and some use KA Leisure facilities and they all felt that the social and therapeutic benefits of these services should really be retained especially for those with health / mental health issues. A suggestion was made to provide a mobile library service to replace rather than completely reduce this service and maybe the KA Leisure bus could be used to facilitate additional services such as chair yoga. These could be facilitated in different geographical areas throughout the week / month. In terms of some of the other services listed they felt that these could be reduced with any major impact to this group. Healing Hearts Group “This will impact on my Grandson and neighbour’s children.” “This will impact on others. A family of 4, as an example, will have to pay more, this might mean they can’t afford to go.” Arran Youth Foundation The group all engage with KA Leisure (taekwondo, basketball, football, fitness suite, etc) and all agreed that an essential point is that there is nowhere to go on Arran and nowhere to play sport for free now except the youth cabin and the bus. Scottish Syrian Roses It is not good that more money is to be taken from the residents. The participants children and husbands use the gyms and swimming pools so there will be a low to a high impact depending on how much of a price increase there is. We Work for Families - Parent Group • Parents are using the facilities, waiting times for swimming lessons is not good and the cost at weekend was an affordable family price. • All parents agree that there could be a reduction in services that are not currently being utilised. • A rise in the pricing for swimming or pitch hire would result in parents only being able to choose one after school provision. • If this was a reduction in the summer camps this would have an impact on parents mentally.
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 12 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION ASN Friday Night Youth Group Overall, this would be pretty impactful as it’s the only place close by for young people to use. Big ESOL class Ukrainian table • One person is okay with a small membership price increase, especially if it’s just a few pounds. • Another person, a single mother with a son in college, finds it financially challenging and does not support any price increase. • A third person believes membership should be more affordable and accessible due to its health benefits and disagrees with the current proposals. • Suggestion: Increase advertising efforts. Kilbirnie Residents - Syrian & Ukrainian New Scots Women Participants indicated that their children/families frequent the gym/swimming pool for a short period of time e.g. 1 hour, so they can continue to go during reduced opening hours. Big ESOL class, Syrian, Afghan learners - If gym membership increases, learners say they won’t be able to afford it. - Occasional PAYG price no impact. Garnock Community Campus Umbrella Club Group directed to QR Code survey as ran out of time. Harbourside Men’s Shed KA should be self-funded and should not rely on support from the council. New Scots Adventure Group Did not want gym memberships to increase. Online Consultation - Ukrainian • Some participants agree with a slight increase in gym prices, especially if the increase is modest (e.g., £3-£5). • Three participants disagree with the reduction of opening hours, emphasising the importance of accessibility for working individuals. • There is interest in transparency regarding the percentage or exact amount of the price increase. • One participant sees reducing hours as a bad idea, associating it with less opportunity for health and fitness. • One participant supports reducing opening hours. NAFCO As the impact is mitigated on those with low income, they support the decision to review charges. Worth noting that there is still limited access to KA leisure facilities in some areas. The fact that the cost is low will likely have an impact on how increases are viewed, with assurance that those in most need will still get reduced cost options and support, they support this review. ESOL Class, Ukrainian/Russian speakers “This is a very bad idea. People will just stay at home, watch T.V. and eat. It will have a negative impact on health. More money will eventually be needed to be spent on health and medicine. Sports should be promoted. These are places where people gather and communicate. People have different schedules and so they need a wide variety of hours to enable as many people as possible to participate in sport.”
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 13 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Employee Disability Forum Could make it more difficult to access already limited programmes if opening times change. There is the social side to consider, and this could affect mental wellbeing if it were to change. None of the equipment is tailored towards a person with a visual impairment. If you reduce times, you are reducing the ability for someone who helps you, to attend alongside you and access the equipment during condensed busier periods. There is not always a member of staff available to help. Prevents people becoming fitter as reducing the hours - is counter intuitive. Weekend access is poor already – shuts at 4. If someone is recovering from a condition, it will make it even more difficult to book in anywhere. P7 House Captains - Lawthorn Primary • “We got to the pool every Friday. It’s too much money if the prices go up – less young people can afford to go.” • “I disagree because my younger siblings go to swimming lessons there and athletics.” • “I don’t think we should because lots of people love going because it is cheap.” • “I disagree, higher prices means you can’t afford to be taught lifesaving skills like swimming and keeping fit.” • “No price increases!” •”I don’t think they should, it will affect clubs.” • “This is a place we go to have fun.” Older Peoples Voice Network (Irvine) As long as costs remain competitive, referrals from GP’s to remain low cost. The Portal is a designated public toilet, any reduction in hours would impact this. At present this is a poor service as only the disabled toilet is used. Joint Cabinet Conversation Café • Missing out on active activities • No social aspect of the removal of this • Negative impact on mental health • losing the places that are 'safe' to young people • Might use KA for childcare services North Ayrshire Youth Executive • Current gym membership prices are reasonable when compared to other gyms, prices could go up. • Don’t increase the price of swimming and ice skating, current costs are within the range of young people's pocket money. • One group member suggested reducing free holiday activities for young people. • Keep Young Scot discount/same cost for young people. Pupil Feedback “I go swimming loads- I figure skate at harvies- me and my brother - cubs and clubs for swimming.”
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 14 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION North Ayrshire Young Ambassadors Feedback on impact: “Use KA facilities all the time, use to go swimming when we were younger and still take younger siblings for swimming.” “I go to the gym as much as I can and KA were always the cheapest option, the membership included lots of different activities.” “Still go swimming all the time, my mum also uses the gym a lot at the portal after work.” “Always remember going to the fun runs in the pool with all my friends.” “I used to go to all the sports activities when I was in primary school, I got to play badminton, football and multi-sports type games, I still have family members that attend the clubs.” “Me and my friends use to go to the dance camps over the summer, that’s where we started the sport and now attend a club in the three towns competing at events.” “The gym was great for my mental health, I was nervous going when I started by the staff were so helpful in easing me into the gym.” “This would discourage people to attend the gym and taking part in sport which would then see a potential increase in obesity levels.” “This would have a high impact on local sports clubs who may not be able to afford an increase in facility charges.” “This may also affect families who are using the facilities or attending clubs as they may also have to increase their fees which might mean they can’t afford to play.” The group didn’t see a massive impact in this area due to the understanding of things going up in price a large number do not use KA leisure facilities in Largs due to other facilities being used instead. A couple felt that a raise in cost of access will affect membership prices of clubs and therefore affect them directly. “Often use KA Leisure facilities after school” “Employed by KA Leisure” “My wee brother goes to a KA Leisure club” Low Impact - “Costs more money for gym would mean I might not go” Low impact – “Don’t want price rises!” Impact – possible effect on clubs using facilities. Possible no NASA days due to na access to the halls. “I go skating and my wee brothers and sisters do as well” “Me and my mates go swimming sometimes and it gives us something to do” “My whole family use Harvie’s and it would be rubbish if it was too expensive” “I go to the gym at Harvies and wouldn’t travel to any other gym” “I go to the gym at Harvies and sometimes go to the Portal for Badminton” “We go to Young Ambassador things at KA Leisure and if the costs of facilities went up, we might not get that” Already expensive to use facilities North Ayrshire Champions Board - It would have an impact as people like to go for free during summer, it may discourage people from going- Swimming lessons may be affected which has a big impact- If you are a higher earner then you should pay more but not if you earn less than a certain amount, they should removal council staff memberships to make more money- It would affect me as this is my main hobby and I might not be able to afford an increase - This is many people’s safe space, if they can’t attend it could cause mental health issues or isolation from friends - The centre’s probably wouldn’t be as busy and people would go elsewhere, maybe you can charge more for certain things. Joint Cabinet and Youth Cabinet Nov 2024 KA Leisure is already costly to access its facilities, many people in community do not act on how much it costs will be unlikely to affect the community too badly if amenities which are not as vital to children’s education. Parent Council Chairs Noting that the increase in prices would have significant impact on affordability for many and may as a result be counter-productive and have the effect of worsening health outcomes.
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 15 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Public Libraries – Retention of all locality hub libraries and Cumbrae Library 7. This proposal will involve the closure of the following six branches – Skelmorlie, Fairlie, Dalry, Beith, Saltcoats and Dreghorn 8. Have you any additional comments you wish to make on the proposed closure of Skelmorlie Library and on how you think communities will be impacted? SUMMARY: The comments underscore the role libraries play as community hubs, providing vital resources beyond books, such as access to technology, educational activities, social interaction, and warm spaces for vulnerable populations. Concerns were raised about the disproportionate impact of closures on disadvantaged and rural communities, such as Skelmorlie, with perceived inadequate public transport making it difficult to access alternative facilities. In particular, the comments say that libraries are seen as lifelines for elderly people, children, and those facing financial hardship, offering free resources and social support during the cost-of- living crisis. Suggestions included exploring mobile libraries. “Skelmorlie, like all our libraries are more like community hubs now. They are not just libraries, losing libraries will impact people of all ages who attend for booking, peep, homework, lego, and other community clubs” “Skelmorlie library is part of a larger community hub. The librarians work hard to create a welcoming environment for those in the surrounding areas and it is utilised by the school and community. It is already on such reduced hours compared to other facilities” “How do the elderly who no longer drive get to the library in another town. Parents with young kids who use the local library for the kids, especially in winter months when they can be stuck indoors. Those who depend on the computers who don’t own their own or have the Internet available at home?”
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 16 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION “If there has been significant results showing low usage and savings can be made with the closure of the building, then makes economic sense doing so.” “Local easily accessible libraries are vital to the community. Given the levels of poverty and the attainment gap in schools we should be encouraging use of local libraries rather than making access more difficult.” “The same answer is applicable to all these libraries. Libraries are not just a place to borrow books any more they have become a place of community with many groups meeting within the libraries. Not all the people attending these activities will be able to access other libraries in the locality due to potential lack of public transport or times of opening elsewhere. This will ensure that people become more socially isolated resulting in eventual increasing costs for the council. The library in Skelmorlie is a focal point for the community and its loss would likely have a severe impact on those who most use it i.e. the elderly and youngest. Perhaps a better option would be to work with the community to redevelop the library into a smaller space but incorporate a community café.” “Skelmorlie is already geographically disadvantaged within North Ayrshire and removing the library will make it exceedingly difficult for people using public transport to access the library services.” 9. Have you any additional comments you wish to make on the proposed closure of Fairlie Library and on how you think communities will be impacted? SUMMARY: The comments reflect community opposition to any potential closure of Fairlie Library (and other libraries in North Ayrshire), highlighting libraries as vital hubs for education, social interaction, and essential services like internet access and community programmes. Concerns focus on the disproportionate impact on vulnerable populations, including the elderly, children, and low-income families, especially in areas with limited public transport. Alternatives like mobile libraries and integrating libraries into schools are suggested. “Libraries are a safe space and a hub of learning and knowledge for people of all ages, the closure of which in small towns will lead to the community having less and will take away from their opportunities for learning and community engagement.” “Perhaps if a mobile library serviced the village the impact may be minimal.” “Fairlie is a small town and although the library is only open 2 days a week, it is very busy on both days. Libraries are not just about books, it’s a hub for old people to come and get help completing forms, help with computers and even just for someone to talk to while picking a new book. Closing libraries is a stupid thing to do. How do these old and perhaps not very mobile people get to their nearest library now? How does a young school child get from Fairlie to West Kilbride or Largs to get a new book?” “It's a tiny library and possibly low footfall. People in Fairlie probably travel larger towns already for shopping so no reason not to go to their libraries too.” “Fairlie library is already only open for a very short amount of time per week. This provides a vital service for many in Fairlie, particularly for older people, not just for accessing books, but is a community resource to help reduce loneliness. It also provided free lunches for children over the holidays. It provides toys and crafts for children for free access. This is an important facility
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 17 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION for families particularly with the cost of living high. The library is in the middle of the village and within walking distance for most. The other libraries in neighbouring towns are not necessarily accessible for all, particularly for those with mobility issues. There are very few services in Fairlie provided by the council as it is. I use Fairlie library with my young children, I wouldn't travel to neighbouring towns to use their libraries.” “Reducing the services in the village will just increase transport miles for villagers to Largs, the bus service is expensive, the train once per hour and no 100% off road cycle route available.” “By closing Fairlie Library you are taking away the opportunity for people to access wi-fi printing, books, computers and free children and adult activities. In our current economic climate these are things that people in the town rely on. The library can be a safe place where people can socialise, educate, learn and enjoy, by closing this library you are taking that away from the people of North Ayrshire. Not everyone has access to transport or the means to fund a bus, taxi or train to travel elsewhere to access these facilities are most are not within walking distance. The people of Fairlie deserve their library and the facilities to be accessible within their town without adding an extra cost to their day to day life. By closing the library you are removing this accessibility for those who are elderly, disabled, low income, English as additional language and many others.” “Fairlie library is important to not only the more elderly community who don’t venture to Largs or west Kilbride but also for our children. The space is a part of the community and removing these services starts to remove the heart of the community as spaces to come together are removed.” 10. Have you any additional comments you wish to make on the proposed closure of Dalry Library and on how you think communities will be impacted? SUMMARY: Survey respondents emphasised the importance of libraries as community hubs offering access to computers, educational resources, social support, and safe spaces. Concerns are raised about the negative impact on vulnerable groups, including the elderly, children, and those with low incomes who rely on libraries for educational and social services. It was felt that any closure in Dalry would potentially further isolate these groups, especially because of the limited transport connections. Many comments suggested alternative solutions, such as integration with community centres, to maintain a library service in the town. “Three libraries in Garnock Valley are NOT needed” “Dalry library is a listed building in the centre of the town. The library provides access to computers for those without in such a time where ICT is imperative to everything in life such as job applications taking this away from those on low incomes and benefits from Dalry will impact people’s ability to access employment and could negatively impact their ability to claim benefits or stay online with their benefit agreements. The library provides a safe quiet space to meet and there are several free clubs run from the library to enhance learning for children and engage parents in their learning with book big and school holiday classes.” “As a parent I frequently use the library with my child. It provides access to a range of different books with no additional cost to us. also enjoys going to the library to play, do crafts and meet with others. He was very upset when Dalry Library was shut recently due to flooding. There is limited public transport to Kilbirnie, and not everyone has access to a car. Only having one
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 18 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION library in the Garnock Valley will have a huge impact on an area that has high level of deprivation.” “The library is a vital part of the community, people of Dalry are yet again being isolated from access to library not everyone can travel 45-60 minutes to access library services. There is also groups that meet in library during opening times & others who key hold they are being targeted yet again.” “Dalry is one of the most deprived communities in North Ayrshire and closing the library will mean another closed building in the centre of town (No sense of “Place”), a loss of a community hub (no sense of “community “), no extra-curricular reading available for the schools in Dalry, no warm building for the poor and aged in winter. This is not acceptable.” “Dalry Library must remain open in our already dying high street. I've used the services in there many times. You should look to renting out and repairing the upstairs to be used for events etc or as a training space” “Dalry needs its beautiful high street buildings to be open and used as it is struggling. The library provides toilets and refuge for people waiting for the buses in addition to the library users. Some people use the building the sit in and spend time outside their homes. Sometimes keeping warm. The transport links for some people from Dalry to the remaining libraries are difficult. “Environmental issues if library users now need to drive to reach services. Dalry, however, does have the KA leisure faculty within one of the towns TWO primary schools. This means there is potential for relocation of the library service into an existing council facility and so will minimise impact.” 11. Have you any additional comments you wish to make on the proposed closure of Beith Library and on how you think communities will be impacted? SUMMARY: The comments received highlighted Beith Library as a crucial community hub, providing essential services such as access to books, computers, and a safe, warm space for social interaction. Many emphasised the library's role in supporting community spirit, offering programmes for all ages, and supporting vulnerable groups like the elderly, low-income families, and those without internet access. Concerns were raised about public transport links to nearby libraries and the impact on local groups and services are prominent, with a number of comments expressing fears regarding social isolation should the library close. A number of comments suggested alternative solutions, such as renting out library space or reorganising services to preserve this vital community asset. “Beith already has limited resources and, closing the library would impact hugely on the residents. The staff try to encourage footfall but really people should be aware of the wonderful world of books and the joy and learning that reading brings. There seems to be less choice of books and book related activities. We need libraries!!” “feel it would be a huge mistake to close Beith library. It is in the heart of the community and it is a relatively far distance to travel to Kilbirnie. It is a good sized building and whenever I visit there are others using the service too. The staff are lovely and supportive. I feel it would be easy to cheaply increase events at Beith library (for example their Bookbug sessions are infrequent. These could be at least weekly and would be an asset to the community and supporting
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 19 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION parents/carers of young children and developing friendships, they could even be followed by coffee and chat. More social clubs such as craft clubs to increase friendships and reduce loneliness in the community would be valuable. Greater advertising of events aimed at children to get the children of the community reading more would be impactful. It would be a travesty for yet another lovely building in Beith to lie empty and go to ruin.” “I have recently just had a baby, we have been using the Beith library for books to read to my baby and also going to the book bug classes and sensory classes. It’s helps both myself and my baby socially. As I live in Beith it’s very easy to access as I can easily walk to the library. If the library wasn’t in the town I would have to travel by car or bus to the next local library and this is more harder to do with a baby. The staff in the Beith library are very friendly and it’s a welcome environment. It would be very sad to see it close especially as my child has just joined and there isn’t much else in the town of Beith for babies so young.” “I'm a Beith library user and it is a fantastic community asset, has moved far beyond a traditional library and is friendly, welcoming, a warm and safe space for people to read, learn, do homework, use PCs as well as borrow books.” “This is possibly the only council facility in Beith. Apart from access to books and computers it is a place where people can gather in small groups. As a resident of Beith with access to a car and able to drive. I can make use of the council facilities across NA, these are all out of the town - swimming, yoga class, adult education class. The Library provides a place where people can walk to their group activities. It also provides a warm hub.” “There is very little public transport into and out of Beith- therefore the proposal will disproportionately affect those who cannot drive- young people, the elderly, those who cannot afford a car, those with disabilities that prevent them from driving. Many community groups for younger and older people use the library- e.g. knitting group on a Thursday.” 12. Have you any additional comments you wish to make on the proposed closure of Saltcoats Library and on how you think communities will be impacted? SUMMARY: Respondents highlighted the importance of Saltcoats Library for educational and social purposes, such as providing access to books, technology, community groups, and various activities for children, seniors, and people with disabilities. The library is seen as a safe, inclusive space that fosters learning, socialisation, and well-being, especially for those who cannot afford other resources. Many survey respondents felt that closing the library would have detrimental effects on mental health and social isolation for the elderly users. “Saltcoats library is easily accessed by public transport and has good car parking. Many groups are held in the library and there are groups from babies to the elderly, as well as book groups, craft groups and language classes. The closure would leave groups and individuals bereft and could have a bad effect on mental health and wellbeing. The closure would rip the heart out of Saltcoats.” “In the wrong location when dark and NO need for Three libraries in Three towns One would be ideal” “Three libraries in three towns too close together to justify” “This will severely impact pensioners who have already lost their winter fuel allowance. Many already meet in Saltcoats library attending various groups. Book club, philosophy group, mindful
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 20 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION makers, football memories etc. Also young families, single parents and toddlers. This will seriously impact and discriminate against the poorest people in our community. Saltcoats library is accessible to local people. Where are we to go if it closes? How are we to get to another library? Many users have to use mobility aids and find it hard to use public transport. Saltcoats library is a warm, well used, vibrant community hub in a central and accessible location. It is cruel and heartless to even consider closing it. N.A. Council has a very good record of tackling poverty and has always shown courage in taking innovative decisions. Closing Saltcoats library will cause further hardship to the poorest and greatly increase social isolation across all age groups, often leading to worsening mental health. In the long term, this then adds to your liability to provide statutory services. Please, Please, Please use some joined up thinking and keep Saltcoats library open.” “Libraries have not opened to pre covid opening times and with user numbers falling with the impact of the internet and online book it hard for NAC to justify this service. The library could potentially moved to Auchenharvie Leisure Centre and provide access to residents from the three towns.” “Saltcoats library is a vital community hub which is well utilised. It's closure would be a devastating blow to the local community and result in many people becoming more isolated and socially impoverished in an area of deprivation.” “Saltcoats library is highly used and a hub community centre . Will be very detrimental to older people and their connection to the community and therefore their mental health. Also as the hearing allowance is being cut for many older people they may need to use the library to keep warm.” 13. Have you any additional comments you wish to make on the proposed closure of Dreghorn Library and on how you think communities will be impacted? SUMMARY: The survey comments highlighted Dreghorn Library as a vital community resource, particularly for elderly individuals, children, and those with limited access to transport or financial resources. Many comments mentioned that the library serves as a social hub, offering a safe, warm space for people to gather, and access books, IT services, and attend community events. The comments reflected that Dreghorn was seen as being at the heart of the village community and that while there might be alternatives not too far away, such as Irvine, these would not be easily accessible for many, particularly elderly residents. “Dreghorn library is a busy library which serves multiple schools in a deprived area. Closing Dreghorn will have a massive impact on disabled youngsters in particular.” “I have recently moved to Dreghorn. We use the library for taking out books, printing and as a community space. we notice children and young people accessing the space. The only disappointment is the already limited opening hours. They should be increased not removed. There is very little in Dreghorn and removing this community space would be a nail in the coffin of the community at a time when community links and spirit must be encouraged and developed. To close this library would be a travesty contributing to isolation, the poverty related attainment gap and mental and physical ill health.” “By closing Dreghorn Library you are taking away the opportunity for people to access wi-fi printing, books, computers and free children and adult activities. In our current economic
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 21 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION climate these are things that people in the town rely on. The library can be a safe place where people can socialise, educate, learn and enjoy, by closing this library you are taking that away from the people of North Ayrshire. Not everyone has access to transport or the means to fund a bus, taxi or train to travel elsewhere to access these facilities are most are not within walking distance. The people of Dreghorn deserve their library and the facilities to be accessible within their town without adding an extra cost to their day to day life. By closing the library you are removing this accessibility for those who are elderly, disabled, low income, English as additional language and many others.” “Having already lost Bourtreehill and Springside, Dreghorn is the last community library left in this area. The staff work so hard to create a welcoming space which helped me through both my pregnancies and postpartum period. We now attend regularly with my children who get so much both socially and academically from the library. The next closest library would be Irvine but this would require having to drive and find a parking space which is becoming increasingly difficult in the town centre. Furthermore, the library often has events on which require the children's area to be closed. This is great however very frustrating to have travelled there and not be able to gain access. At least at Dreghorn we are able to go home and come back later.” “Dreghorn library is an important lifeline for young and old in the community. Meeting place for young mums and toddlers , knitting clubs , seasonal activities throughout the year and many more services to the Dreghorn community. What will all the users do now sit in the house lonely, we should be encouraging social interaction to support mental health.” “I don’t think Dreghorn will be impacted on closing the library, it is not used to its full potential services could be merged with Irvine library” “I am a regular user of Dreghorn library. The library is used as a meeting hub for various groups (including children whom we should be encouraging from an early age to read books) and therefore would be a huge social and educational loss to the village.”
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 23 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 15. Please use this space if you wish to provide further information on your answer(s) above SUMMARY: Many respondents felt that those categories most affected by any potential change to library provision would people with low incomes, the elderly, disabled individuals, and those facing social isolation. Comments suggested that closures could worsen social inequalities and diminish access to key services, including information and support, with smaller, more rural communities likely to be most affected. “Closure of libraries is likely to impact on low income, children and elderly in the most deprived areas.” “Older and disabled individuals are less like to be able to travel further for library services . Maybe this could be negated by introducing a travelling library service.” “This will affect mostly elderly who cannot access digital services . This needs to be considered otherwise it’s unfair to our older members of our communities.” “People of all ages use the libraries but it is vital to the older and younger communities as they live more of their lives in the community close to their homes as they have less access to transport and often have restricted incomes. Small businesses often use the printing and computer services offered by libraries to run their admin.” “The library is the only place in the town where low income families don't have to spend money.” “Negative impact on children. Many children need much encouragement to love books and removing Libraries isn't the answer.” “The library offers a non-judgemental, safe and inclusive space. No matter what your race, sexuality, gender, disability, home life is like you know that the library is place that will welcome you and listen without prejudice. This is because the staff actually care about their role in the library and have worked hard at creating this environment.” “Older people, school children and those with a disability may stop using the facilities a library and associated community centre provide if it is not readily available. This could make social exclusion even more of a problem.” 16. Do you think the proposal is likely to have an effect on any island communities which is significantly different from its effect on other communities (including other island communities) in North Ayrshire?
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 24 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 17. If you answered “yes” to the above question, please use this space to provide further information SUMMARY: Respondents noted that the island libraries would continue to remain open and would not necessarily be affected by closures on the mainland. However, many people commented that a reduced library service on the mainland may lead to increased strain on remaining libraries, including those on Arran and Cumbrae. “Although there are no proposed closure of island libraries, closure of mainland libraries might still impact our island communities with additional strain and demand on remaining libraries.” “The island communities don’t have the access to other facilities without the need for extensive travel.” “Ensuring Brodick library remains open is essential.” “I'm relieved that Arran will be retaining its mobile and public libraries, however I do find it already at a loss that the entire island is serviced by only one public library. This makes it difficult for residents, particularly in winter months, to access their public library without a car.” “People on islands don't have access to an alternative library, if the one on the island is closed, without having to undertake a significant journey first” “The island communities rely on resources and books from other communities and means that there would be a further journey to collect books from the main island” “Access to books. I frequently order books which are obtained from other libraries in North Ayrshire. Also, although Arran library is staying open, which is a great relief, any reductions in staffing or opening hours would have a detrimental effect on the service which as it is, is only open for three and a half days. I welcome the retention of the mobile library on Arran to reach isolated members of the community.”
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 25 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Feedback on the ‘Public Libraries – Retention of all locality hub libraries and Cumbrae Library’ from engagement groups Name of Group Feedback Redburn Grove Tenants Group The members felt that there would be a significant impact to the wider community, especially in Saltcoats where “the library is the heart of the town, and the Council would be ripping this out.” They explained the library is used for a range of activities and various groups meet on a regular basis. The closure of Saltcoats in particular would have a damaging effect on the community. It was highlighted that Saltcoats has the greatest number of books borrowed last year, so they couldn’t understand why such a well used facility would be considered. However the group felt this would not affect their own community as all resources are brought on site. 3T Community Shed • The Chest heart and stroke group runs from Saltcoats library. It would be impossible for individuals to travel elsewhere and result in a huge loss of a valuable service if closed. • There will be an outcry by taking community facilities away and taking jobs away. • Remove vacant council properties first before taking key services away. • Move services and maximise space rather than losing services as well as prioritise staff. North Coast Youth Forum Young people are not using libraries outside of school but would feel it would be a massive impact if that were to close. At the moment the group don’t really utilise the library out with a Wednesday night, if this were different and more groups etc ran from library would be of higher impact. All group feel it doesn’t have much of an impact. Equal Supported Employment – Creative Writing Group The group have a limited experience of paying for services such as Waste disposal and Bulky Disposal rates however all felt strongly about the loss of libraries and the reduction in KA Leisure services. Most use libraries regularly and some use KA Leisure facilities and they all felt that the social and therapeutic benefits of these services should really be retained especially for those with health / mental health issues. A suggestion was made to provide a mobile library service to replace rather than completely reduce this service and maybe the KA Leisure bus could be used to facilitate additional services such as chair yoga. These could be facilitated in different geographical areas throughout the week / month. In terms of some of the other services listed they felt that these could be reduced with any major impact to this group. Healing Hearts Group No impact on us but will impact on others who use these libraries. Arran Youth Foundation • Regarding libraries, one young person said it “would be really sad if it closed”. Scottish Syrian Roses Two participants attend ESOL classes in Saltcoats library and so its closure would have a high impact on them. The participant who declared it would have no impact is a full-time housewife and does not attend the ESOL class.
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 26 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Equal – Heads Up! Group Comments made relating to proposals for libraries and indicated that the group feel that libraries are now more than just somewhere to get a book but it is also a social safe space for those who are vulnerable. ASN Friday Night Youth Group Some young people visit the library to use computers and go to groups there so that would have an impact, but others do not currently utilise therefore no impact for them. Big ESOL class Ukrainian table • One grandmother frequently uses the library for books, internet access, and other services. • None of the attendees use the library themselves, but one person mentioned they were considering others’ needs. • One person suggested that libraries should consider charging fees for certain services and finding ways to generate income. Long Covid Group A lot of people use Dalry Library for job searching, children’s learning, computer access. This would be another disastrous building to close in Dalry – we’ve already lost banks, what incentive would there be to visit? The library is the community hub of Dalry, the hub of the town. The library is more important to the community than Arran Outdoor Education Centre. I don’t think the current building is fit for the purpose of a library, it is a listed building. Could another building in Dalry be considered? Kilbirnie Residents – Syrian & Ukrainian New Scots Women This is no issue for them as they live in Kilbirnie which is not one of the areas where the library is to be closed. A participant did point out however that her daughter goes to the library every week after school. Children borrow books as they are expensive to buy but free to borrow. The implication was that closing libraries in other places will impact the children living in those towns. Big ESOL class, Syrian, Afghan learners - Learners use the libraries regularly for computer access, printing, copying. - None of the learners live in towns directly affected by proposed closures. - Some learners use library regularly with their children (Kilbirnie) Garnock Community Campus Umbrella Club Group directed to QR Code survey as ran out of time She Shed Where would Garnock Valley residents travel to go to the library, the current proposal includes all libraries in other areas which are on a bus route. Our libraries are a hub for the community not everyone can travel to the next town to access a library, the bus service is not always accessible. Newtown Men’s Shed For: This is understandable and as long as there is a library within a reasonable travelling distance then there isn’t a problem. Against: This is unfair. It is a very valuable service and will hit the local community hard. Harbourside Men’s Shed Group are totally against library closures. This is a safe warm place to go for community members. The elderly will be hardest hit by library closures. Children who don’t have access to Wi-Fi at home should be able to go to the library. Nothing beats an actual physical book. New Scots Adventure Group • Group did not use local library Online Consultation – Ukrainian • One participant specifically disagrees with closing the library in Saltcoats. • One participant views closing libraries as a bad idea, associating it with reduced access to knowledge and resources. • Two participants support closing libraries, one considering them a waste of money. • One participant is neutral or unable to provide an opinion due to not living in the area.
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 27 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION NAFCO We accept budgets are challenge and difficult decisions need to be made, this is does not detract from the fact that library closures are unacceptable. Libraries are no longer a traditional service and are now a central hub to a range of services, including access to consultations such as this. They provide access to information, guidance and access to other crucial services, including vital access to printing of documents. There are wide range of models that need considered before closure including, community ownership, social enterprise and key holding which is currently in use in some this could be rolled out with volunteer recruitment and training. Transport to the remaining libraries is an absolute concern and detracts from the 20-minute community model and in fact removes it from areas where it is existing, is this not against the recommendations of S.G. Skelmorlie residents will require 4 buses for a round trip to Largs library. Accessibility for older people, those with disabilities and children is an issue, and also for school kids who can currently access straight after school, due to location. Concern on how and why you chose the locations, example being, Largs is not necessarily the centre point for North Coast its is a large locality with transport issues. The Largs library is not even in main street of Largs, this is also relevant for the Garnock valley, why chose Kilbirnie. The closures do not seem to represent any savings that will have significant impact on the budget gap. ESOL Class, Ukrainian/Russian speakers How can we say what the impact is if we don’t have data on how many people use these facilities. ‘For me there is no impact as I live in Kilwinning’, says one participant. There are libraries in the schools so reduced hours in the public libraries would not have such a big impact. If the libraries were open for 3 days a week this would be fine. The libraries should not be permanently closed, however. One participant suggests adding some paid services to libraries to generate money for the council, e.g. organised games nights in the evening. If there are workshops and other activities people can attend, then people come and can be encouraged to read books. If the libraries closed there would be a big impact on culture. A suggestion is combining community centres and libraries together. The participants have seen that women with young children not in official childcare, visit the library to spend time there, play in the warmth, drink tea and socialise, rather than reading books. For small towns, one community centre / library could be a good solution. Overall, the participants said the proposal would have no impact on them personally as they do not live in the towns where libraries will be closed. Can there not be a method for heating them more efficiently to reduce costs? Employee Disability Forum Saltcoats Library is well used for groups that are ‘social isolation busters’ and by communities e.g. For mother and toddler groups and so where would these groups go? Need to consider overall deprivation of the specific town as there are lots of places already closed. Some schools/early years visit libraries and so it would affect them. Some kids also use the library after school if parents are at work. Some libraries are better used than others, would be helpful to see usage figures. Need to consider ease of access to lessen impact – if you are disabled and struggle to get on and off public transport, it has an impact if you have to travel too far to access a library. Ardrossan library is difficult to access, very busy road, bad
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 28 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION pavements could therefore be the library you are least likely to go, whereas Stevenston is much easier to access. Older Peoples Voice Network (Irvine) Libraries are key resources in the community. Locality libraries and hubs provide warm welcoming area. Older people in particular value these resources. Information is accessed which is very important to the community. Invaluable resource for all ages. Joint Cabinet Conversation Café • People that use the libraries won’t have the same opportunities • Should not be happening as there is not enough places to have to study • some people have not got an access to library’s further afield • Have 1 in each locality can be fine that they can travel to • Young people don’t have a place to study outside of school if they don’t have access to WIFI • If Saltcoats lib shut they would have to travel further. • Some People don’t drive therefore you will have travel costs. • Having to find other places to print things due to not having printer at home. • Many other services use libraries such as Nurseries and younger children • Closing libraries takes away the connection from all schools community’s, groups and the council- libraries • Could be a chance for the space to be used for different things. • Possible budget saving- putting money for something else • School librarians, are a big problem for young people, Its a safe space for young people to go, They help with further in life, Such as CVs etc • mobile libraries would be more beneficial North Ayrshire Youth Executive • One group member believes libraries could be reduced more than the proposal, should keep one per locality and keep school libraries. • If the mobile library costs less to maintain than a library, could this be implemented on Arran and Cumbrae? • Moving resources further away will impact people by additional costs and time. • In our experience, they are well used not only to borrow books but also as a study space providing access to computers. North Ayrshire Young Ambassadors “I use the library as a place for study outside of the school, it’s always quiet and helps me prepare for my exams.” “I have family members that use the library for the Wi-Fi to get internet access at no cost.” “This would discourage young people from reading and socialising in a safe environment without being judged.” “This would keep both young and older people from accessing modern technology such as laptops and computers as this is some peoples only option to use this type of technology.” “My Gran would be highly impacted as she meets her friends at the library every week to catch up and discuss their favourite books.” The group do not really access library services due to access online to everything they need, a couple of pupils identified it would marginally affect other members of their family both young and elderly. The group had no pupils from Cumbrae attend so no opinion on closure of facility was given No Impact – “Use school library anyway. Not been to public one.” No impact – “Don’t go”, “I don’t read” Impact – if less accessible it might be a barrier to get the bus. Takes away access to books. North Ayrshire Champions Board - Happy for these to be shut as at least there is still one’s open close by and the busses for free, might encourage people to use them more and make
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 29 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION the venues still open busier- Happy to travel to one near me, maybe we could do a mobile library in the towns that are closing. - If your adult doesn’t have money to travel with you, you could be missing out. - This is a good idea, travel isn’t an issue to me and at least there is at least one local to everyone. Joint Cabinet and Youth Cabinet Nov 2024 Safe space and community gathering space / Safe space and community gathering space / Libraries provide a great space for people to access education, improve their essay abilities. It also provides a safe comfortable space for young people to relax in even without the interest of the facilities provided by libraries.
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 30 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Closure of Arran Outdoor Education Centre 18. Arran Outdoor Education Centre provides residential and day experiences for leadership, team building and resilience through access to a range of outdoor education and water based activities for children, young people and adults at a reduced rate for North Ayrshire residents. It currently costs £298,000 per annum to run the centre. The Council is considering closing the facility. This proposal presents a possibility for alternative uses on the island, including commercial opportunities. 19. Have you any additional comments you wish to make on the closer of Arran Outdoor Education Centre and on how you think communities will be impacted? SUMMARY: - Education. The comments received in general say that AOEC provides vital outdoor education experiences that foster skills such as teamwork, resilience, leadership, and environmental awareness. These opportunities, particularly for children from lower-income families, can be life-changing, helping to build confidence and independence. - Economy. Many people felt that the AOEC plays a crucial role in the economy of Arran, supporting businesses and providing employment, especially for younger people. Many respondents expressed fears that its closure would result in significant job losses and a decline in tourism. Some suggest exploring public-private partnerships, marketing to external groups, or expanding its use to sustain its operations. - Accessibility. The facility is seen as a key resource for North Ayrshire, offering affordable outdoor education that might otherwise be inaccessible to many families. Many comments suggested that closing the centre would disproportionately impact disadvantaged children. “This brings people to Arran and money to the economy. Plus schools all over Ayrshire use this service….which would mean numerous children would miss out on this experience.” “£298,000 seems a small amount of money compared to the benefits the centre offers to the whole of North Ayrshire”
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 31 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION “Arran outdoor Education centre is massively important to local school children. It gives them the opportunity to access outdoor activities they would not be able to otherwise. For some children it will be the only break they get away from home. It encourages team building, achievements, outdoor skills and personal development. This would be detrimental to the wellbeing of children which is utterly unacceptable.” “As someone who has visited the AOEC with around 100 young people from North Ayrshire, I have seen first-hand the fantastic difference that it makes to their lives and continue to see the long term benefits it has had on young people’s attitudes and values. Many young people are struggling with education, coming out of covid social skills are lacking with many more young people and a resource such as this should be receiving investment rather than repeatedly put up for closure.” “Arran Outdoor Centre is an excellent facility but comes up year after year as a budget cut proposal. maybe it would be good as a commercial opportunity.” “I would be sad to see it close, but also know the council does need to make savings. Could it be run by a charity that would make using the facilities low cost? Any change it could be self- sustainable by offering activities to general public (this might already happen, like work team building days/weekends)” “People will be less inclined to visit the island without this facility and will have a further detrimental impact on shops/businesses already suffering” “The opportunities children get here are ones that will stay for life in a world with high obesity and poor mental health why would it be shut. Kids get the opportunity to get out of their comfort zone, have a new appreciation for nature, have some independence. Kids with more appreciation for nature at a young age will carry that into adulthood (second thoughts on littering, climate conscious). Not to mention the mental health benefits of a week away from technology and family to have fun. The social benefit - these weeks are invaluable bonding experiences for year groups.” “The Outdoor education centre makes a huge difference especially for children/teenagers from low-income families or deprived areas. It is important for the wellbeing and mental health of young people to have facilities like the outdoor education centre” “The facility offers a valuable learning centre that currently (and hopefully will continue to) upskill and train the next generation of environmental professionals required to respond to the Global Biodiversity Framework crisis that NAC have specific requirements to meet and contribute towards.”
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 33 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 21. Please use this space if you wish to provide further information on your answer(s) above SUMMARY: A large number of respondents felt that closing AOEC would disproportionately harm young people and low-income families who rely on it for affordable and enriching experiences. Additionally, it was felt that the closure would negatively impact local businesses and the wider island economy, who benefit from its presence. “I have been to the centre on residentials with people who have all the above characteristics. The ethos of the centre and the way that groups work together is completely unique to Arran and the AOEC - one which I have never experienced anywhere else in Scotland, other outdoor centres or other residential venues. People come together at the AOEC and any social stigmas or barriers people face in their day to day life doesn’t matter at the AOEC - people of all ages come together for a once in a lifetime experience for enjoyment, team building, mental health or whatever the focus is of their visit.” “We have some if the lowest income families and therefore schools in north Ayrshire. These children need exposure to experiences that challenge them in order to build their resilience and self worth, enabling them to better see a path out of the poverty cycle as they grow up.” “Many children in our school would never be able to do anything like this due to economic or social issues.” “AOEC is key to providing opportunity to school pupils experiencing low income, low wealth or deprivation. This cannot be understated.” “If there is one Service within the councils portfolio that serves all the [characteristics] is AOEC, let’s not forget what AOEC did during Covid, how its staff team supported the Island community, by providing a community hub, support the islands most needy, in a time of national crisis, set up a good voucher scheme, engaged with other community groups. Its staff team still continued to deliver meaningful outdoor education to schools, visiting schools on the mainland, whilst still supporting those most vulnerable on Arran.” “Could consider using it for care experienced children for holidays and to those on low incomes. It costs the same - more or less - to run whether it is full or not. The council should be thinking of how to use it for the benefit of all of North Ayrshire - particularly the poorer and more disadvantaged.” “Closure has a knock on effect for local business who provide services to the centre and schools use the centre to the benefit of all children in all income brackets.”
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 34 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 22. Do you think the proposal is likely to have an effect on any island communities which is significantly different from its effect on other communities (including other island communities) in North Ayrshire? 23. If you answered "yes" to the above question, please use this space to provide further information. SUMMARY: The comments received suggest that Arran would be significantly impacted by its closure. Many of the comments said the centre was a unique facility that offered recreational opportunities for children, many of whom come from disadvantaged backgrounds and might never have the chance to experience such opportunities. Many also felt that any closure would have a negative effect on the island's economy, which relies heavily on tourism. “Arran is already struggling with drawing tourists to the island due to unreliable ferry service. Removing a large outdoor activity centre is not helping them.” “Shutting a facility on an island is obviously going to have an impact both directly and indirectly. Small businesses will suffer, young people are being deprived of opportunities to see a truly beautiful place and gain positive life experiences that may mean they keep coming back through their lives.” “It’s an integral part of the arrangement community and helping children learn about the island will help promote sympathetic use of the island outdoor resources” “Arran Outdoor is a huge part of the life of the island and will have a significantly detrimental effect on the local community.” “The centre brings many visitors to the island which in turn supports employment on the island community.” “Arran has a fragile local economy that is largely dependent on the summer months. The AOEC directly feeds into the circular economy on Arran; by placing orders locally, they directly support many small and family run businesses, which in turn allows them to provide year-round jobs to locals, many of whom who then run their own side businesses, which use services from other island-based organisations. The island desperately needs places like the Arran Outdoor Education Centre, not only provide jobs and opportunities but to benefit the whole community by providing a physical venue for crisis events, meeting and workshops, collaborations with other island organisations, and emergency accommodation. Closing the centre would be a mistake and many of the alternatives for the buildings use are not practical or feasible.”
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 35 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION “The outdoor centre is a huge part of island life and often used as a hub for various groups, charities and organisation taking this away from the island will have a significant detrimental effect, the money ‘saved’ is unlikely to be put back into arran meaning the island community will be missing out again on a facility that is so important to so many” “The AOEC is an Employment provider on the island where work is hard to find. Skilled instructors are attracted to it and thereby raise its profile as a prime outdoor sports centre.” Feedback on the ‘Closure of Arran Outdoor Education Centre” from engagement groups Name of Group Feedback Received Redburn Grove Tenants Group The Redburn Grove members were disappointed to hear of these potential impacts in this engagement exercise as they feel this resource is extremely valuable to the young people within all communities and will have further impact on the next generation. 3T Community Shed • Where do young people go to learn if this is closed? • Would the council consider relocating the facility to keep it? • This would help make it more accessible especially if the ferry service continues as is, unreliable. North Coast Youth Forum Group have been to the centre multiple times and been successful in PB Funding to go to the centre as a residential trip, they all agree that this is a well utilised facility and would directly impact them greatly. Limited for other options locally for future residentials. Sleepover location for Arran Pride. Opportunity to bond and team build with other young people. A variety of different activities and experiences that are not accessible locally. North Ayrshire Sports Academy • “One of the best experiences in school” • “Loved the instructors” Healing Hearts Group No impact on us but shame to lose the facility, especially for young people. Feel sorry for the people on Arran. Arran Youth Foundation • "Important" • "Community space used for a lot of other things" • "Important for residentials and way it was used in Covid" • "Booo!" • "I like doing stuff there because it is stuff you don't normally do like in the water and the climbing wall" • "It is a fun place and gives people from Arran and the mainland opportunities to do stuff they don't normally do" • "It is used for lots of things not just outdoor things" ASN Friday Night Youth Group Most young people have been and would be very upset if they couldn’t do this again and other young people that haven’t already are looking forward to going. Young people voiced the centre gives young people opportunities to create memories and experiences that they wouldn’t otherwise have some young people also said ‘it created memories to last a lifetime!’ Long Covid Group High impact on schools. It’s a chance to go away. Funding for children to go. Teaches/helps children to socialise in their own groups. Kilbirnie Residents - Syrian & Ukrainian New Scots Women One participant indicated this would impact them as they like outdoor sports.
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 36 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Big ESOL class, Syrian, Afghan learners The group felt this will affect their children’s learning in the future. Garnock Community Campus Umbrella Club Group directed to QR Code survey as ran out of time Newtown Men’s Shed Split Opinion: For: Unnecessary service and given the budget restraints, it could close. Partner organisations could come together and offer a similar service potentially. Against: An amazing experience for young people that they should not be deprived of. North Ayrshire has so many areas of depravation, give the children something to look forward to and some don’t have any other holidays with family etc. Harbourside Men’s Shed This is the only chance some children get to really enjoy and experience the outdoors. New Scots Adventure Group Group felt arran outdoor was a good facility and should be an opportunity open to everyone Online Consultation - Ukrainian • 3 support this decision. • One believes it should be the decision of Arran residents. • One is totally against the idea stating: Definitely against. Such a great place should work and bring in income. My child went to a school trip here this year - these are unforgettable memories. Moreover, I talked with young people who have long since finished school, but they remember trips to this place with school as a bright moment of their lives. I would suggest that you better consider the possibility of attracting private business: for example, renting out the centre for the summer and the period when there are no school shifts here. NAFCO This will impact all schools that use the centre and shows the lack of importance considered and the value of outdoor education, which is so important for children. What about sharing this with the other Ayrshire as part of shared services? Where else could kids get access to experience sailing, gorge walking and all the other important skills and experiences, you going to pay more for them to go out of North Ayrshire. Recruit more volunteers to help run the facility Target private schools for weekend use. Change the model to more commercial use for weekends and summer. Employee Disability Forum Travel is always an issue with the ferries breaking down and therefore people are not using it to the same capacity - would be a sad loss if it were to go. Unsure of the various groups who may use it and disability groups and the centre’s current capacity to deliver accessible activities. P7 House Captains - Lawthorn Primary • This will affect all Primary sevens! • It can be our only chance to take part in outdoor activities and water sports. • It makes young people more responsible and increases confidence and citizenship. • It’s not fair for future primary sevens! • People with these skills will lose their jobs • Young people will miss out on amazing opportunities • The residential helps build and strengthen friendships. • It makes you face your fears, activities push you outside your comfort zone. • It is the only outdoor centre that gives water sports as part of the experience,
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 37 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Joint Cabinet Conversation Café • Lack of opportunities for young people. • Less confidence building. • Not the same opportunities as people that been to arran. • Development of relationships and friendships that young people build going to Arran. • Not a chance to do things that you might not get the opportunities to do such as the activities- Abseiling Etc North Ayrshire Youth Executive • For many young people, this is the first opportunity to develop independence and stay away from home. • It helped with reducing stress and developing friendships when prelims were complete. • This group has fond memories of attending the centre, they developed skills, made friendships, and went through personal growth developing their confidence. Young people spoke at length about their memories and development through attending the centre. Pupil Feedback - No experience of the joy of arran - Been and really good - Gained confidence and to be respectful, life skills and independence - Really lovely place - Be more resilient North Ayrshire Young Ambassadors “We went on our P7 school trip, every P7 gets the experience, it was a great trip.” “We got to go out on the boats and go up a climbing wall at the club, it was the first time I had ever done this.” “Our P7 trip was in arran, it was a great experience, couldn’t imagine P7 without it.” “Great experience that would not allow young people in schools to grow and develop life skills” “My little cousin would suffer as they would not be able to have a residential experience should Arran Outdoor Centre close” “My bother has just been and had an amazing time with his friends, it would be rubbish if the centre was to close and my friends brothers and sisters couldn’t go.” The pupils interviewed had no real knowledge of the facility. No pupils had ever attended the facility throughout their time in education therefore no impact was selected with a couple understanding it would be a great facility /option if accessed. “I remember going to the outdoor centre when I was in primary and loved it” “I’ve used this lots in primary and go there during summer for activities too” High Impact – “We go trips there and I like it.” “It’s a nice place”. Low Impact – “It’s a nice place but we usually go to Inverclyde instead.” “would be sad to go but does not affect me” “love the place” “People will lose their jobs” “My wee brothers are still to get their residential so if Arran closed they wouldn’t get that and it would be sad” “We went to Arran in P7 and it was class. We learned loads of stuff and got good experiences that we will remember forever”
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 38 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION North Ayrshire Champions Board - Happy to shut this as there is other places you can do similar activities like Inverclyde sports centre, or you can travel to other places -Missing out on the Primary 7 Experience would be a shame but I think it would be okay as you can do the activities mostly elsewhere -You can do these activities in lots of places, and you can still go over and climb the mountain as part of an experience. Joint Cabinet and Youth Cabinet Nov 2024 Shows children how to survive. Gives young people taste of independence / Ceasing the Arran Outdoor Centre would have a massive impact on young people as it is mostly for only opportunity for young people could have to a vacation. Not realising only opportunity to have an outdoor experience. Or opportunity to make new relationships for life Arran Outdoor Education Centre specific engagement session Overall, the full group questions the financial impact assessment of this proposal, not just for all the schools and young people accessing the centre at the subsided cost to North Ayrshire residents, also the financial impact in terms of job losses on the island and impact on all stakeholders. The centre puts North Ayrshire Council as a leader in the residential outdoor education landscape and needs to be recognised as the asset it is and that asset clearly outweighs the financial savings. The Outdoor Education bill is currently at its second reading at parliament, again this puts the council at the forefront across Scotland with this purpose- built centre. We also question this proposal in terms of the Islands Bill and the protection, growth and recommendations. Where is the recognition that the centre in March this year had made a further reduction on its running costs through the restructure of staffing. The whole group strongly felt that the Arran Outdoor Education Centre is so much more than just a residential opportunity for young people. It is an integral part of island and community resilience, which would be significantly weakened if the Centre was to close. The centre has played crucial roles in snowstorm blackouts, COVID response, ferry cancellations and large-scale casualty incidents (Waverley crash 2020). It has key infrastructure (transport, accommodation and catering) and employs a number of instructors with key skills to respond to emergencies. The group also felt that Arran has an extremely fragile local economy that is largely dependent on the summer months. The AOEC directly feeds into the circular economy on Arran; by placing orders locally, they directly support many small and family run businesses, which in turn allows them to provide year- round jobs to locals, many of whom who then run their own side businesses, which use services from other island-based organisations. Without the AOEC providing this year-round business, many would struggle to continue. From the meeting it was clear that the Arran Outdoor Education Centre supports a number of small and large community groups and environmental charity organisations. The closure of this infrastructure on the island will directly lead to the demise of these groups and organisations. It directly facilitates food security, food distribution and zero-waste cafes across the island (which directly help those with mobility difficulties in remote areas and those experiencing low income and deprivation).
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 39 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Review of Services at Eglinton Country Park 24. It is proposed to review the Countryside Rangers Service based at Eglinton Country Park. The current service includes engagement with schools, community groups and partners in relation to nature conservation, biodiversity, preservation, green health and nature-based learning. Eglinton Community Garden would be closed. Volunteering opportunities, including those related to maintenance of the park would be impacted 25. Have you any additional comments you wish to make on the removal of services at Eglington Country Park and on how you think communities will be impacted? SUMMARY: The key themes that emerge from the comments focus largely on the importance of Eglinton Park and its Ranger Service, particularly in terms of education, mental health, and environmental stewardship. The park is seen as a vital space for learning about nature, promoting physical and mental well-being, and fostering social inclusion, especially for disadvantaged or vulnerable groups such as children with additional needs, those from low- income backgrounds, and volunteers. Many comments praised the Ranger Service for its role in educating people of all ages about environmental conservation, biodiversity, and sustainable practices. There is significant concern that reducing funding or removing these services would negatively impact both the park's upkeep and the educational and community benefits it provides. Many respondents comment ed on how the loss of these services could impact mental health and wellbeing for park users. “The park rangers service is essential in providing educational experiences to young people, families and groups who visit the park. They have already suffered at the hands of budget cuts and the savings from this closure are minuscule compared to other savings offered as part of this consultation. Where as the impact on the community is massive, including the closure of the community gardens which creates partnerships between employability organisations and others and literally feeds the community with locally grown produce into our larder network (as advertised on Facebook directly before this engagement). I believe there may be an opinion that groups like the path stewards will just pick up the work of the paid rangers service - but this is again neglectful of the fact that volunteers will quickly become burnt out if they are asked or expected to take on the remit of paid staff.”
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 40 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION “Being a member of the path stewardship volunteering program this would impact our group immensely. We work to keep paths accessible to all users through the support and empowerment of the park ranger. Ten volunteers give our services , free, on a weekly basis resulting in vast improvements within the park. Removal of services within Eglinton Park would result in overgrown, inaccessible dangerous pathways. We cannot allow North Ayrshire's flagship attraction to be abandoned!” “This park is the jewel in the crown for North Ayrshire & services should remain in place for everyone who lives here. There are so many people & groups who use these facilities & it would be a travesty if services were removed.” “I love Eglinton park and highly value the work of the rangers. Children need to learn about nature and how to look after our planet. I love that the park is free to visit, but is there anything that could generate income for the park? Small charge for activities organised? Any outside grants you can apply for?” “Health and wellbeing are closely linked to open green spaces, this is an essential service to the community” “Perhaps a scaled back service could be retained in order not to lose the skills base, and then reintroduced at a later date.” “The Rangers are a good thing but, really, they are a luxury during hard times and I think the closure of the service would affect fewer people than some of the other cuts suggested. Surely schools themselves or volunteers could take on the community engagement and education role? It is a pity to reduce volunteering opportunities but there are other nature based organisations who would welcome volunteers “ “I think this is an important service as learning about Sustainability and Biodiversity is very important to the community. The facility has already impacted on me as a local teacher. We used to have Rangers visiting the school, giving advice on any nature topics as well as fantastic trips. The community garden has been established and always seems busy. I think this is important for many groups.” “Without the Ranger service the council will not meet its statutory Biodiversity Duty. Environmental education will be adversely affected, with opportunities for disadvantaged/ care experienced young people particularly impacted. The loss of volunteer opportunities will have negative outcomes for health and wellbeing of all age groups, and socially disadvantaged groups. Years of excellent work by the Green Health partnership will be undone, and is exceptionally short sighted in terms of long term positive outcomes delivered by social interventions.” “This is a service that provides huge learning and significant physical and mental health opportunities to a community. It is also an exceptionally beautiful tourist attraction. Perhaps it might again be better to think if money generating ideas around the park than cutting services that will simply turn it into an eyesore resulting in the loss of tourist income to the local economy.” “This service is very beneficial in educating regarding nature and wildlife in area. It also supports people who have mental health issues such as depression and anxiety in regards to providing opportunities for walks etc. Eglington Park is vast and requires upkeep”
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 41 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION “Without rangers the park will feel less safe. It would also mean missed opportunities to educate people on the environment and behaving responsibly. No doubt littering and anti-social behaviour would also increase. If anything, the ranger service should be expanded. “
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 43 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 27. Please use this space if you wish to provide further information on your answer(s) above SUMMARY: The comments highlight the significant impact that Eglinton Park, its Ranger Service, and the Community Garden have on various vulnerable groups, including children, the elderly, disabled individuals, those with mental health challenges, and low-income families. The park is seen to provide opportunities for education, socialisation, and connection with nature, which contribute positively to mental and physical well-being. Because entry is free, it is felt that any impact on the ranger service is likely, in particular, to affect those on low income. Many comments mention the potential negative consequences of service reductions, particularly for marginalised and at-risk populations, in addition to the broader environmental impact. “Disabled volunteers and elderly volunteers give their time to Eglinton Park, and this is important for socialisation.” “I think it is an important service for young people learning about nature as well as the schools. People who are retired or have mental health difficulties use the garden and give them a purpose as well as company.” “All these groups of vulnerable people benefit hugely from this service. Accessibility is a gift without which many would be stuck inside the four walls of their home - having a significant and negative impact in their physical and mental wellbeing as a relationship with nature would not be supported.” “It is a great experience for children especially from poor homes.” “This would affect everyone - protected characteristics or not” “Low income, poor, older and young groups are more impacted. So are women, those in poor health, the disabled, those marginalised by society. In fact those people who should be getting Council services” “Losing the Ranger Service and Community Garden would impact all ages and abilities as they work with everyone.” “A necessity for young, old and especially low-income families” Feedback on the ‘Review of services at Eglinton Country Park” from engagement groups Name of Group Feedback Received Redburn Grove Tenants Group The members were really sad to hear of these potential impacts in this engagement exercise as they feel this resource is extremely valuable to their community and will have a massive impact on the wider community within North Ayrshire. This is an option the group did not want to see being reduced. They also mentioned a number of their relations volunteered with this project and it will have an impact on mental health especially after covid. 3T Community Shed • Taking away the ability to learn about nature, where will they learn if removed? • Tree planting opportunities would also stop if the service was removed
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 44 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION North Coast Youth Forum The group feel it doesn’t affect North Coast young people due to travel etc, there are parks closer by that can be utilised but understand this may be an issue for young people in different locations. 1 young person explained she enjoys a trip to Eglinton Park as this is something she does regularly and if this was not maintained she may not enjoy a trip to the park therefore this would be of high impact fir her. Young people have also previously worked with the rangers within Eglinton Park and felt this was beneficial for them as the ‘bat walk’ that was done if something they haven’t done before and unsure of other partners would be able to deliver this. Healing Hearts Group Shame people will lose their jobs. People are interested in the activities that they offer. Without the work of the volunteers, areas will be overgrown. Children won’t learn about nature. Older Peoples Network How can we teach our children and ourselves about climate change/biodiversity and keep our promise to help reduce climate change if this type of education and learning is removed. This seems like a bad decision. ASN Friday Night Youth Group Most young people feel this would affect them and the group directly as they sometimes go a trip to Eglinton Park over the summer and they wouldn’t have another close by park or accessible park equipment. Big ESOL class Ukrainian table One person has no issue with the purple bin being collected every 4 weeks, as it’s not always full after 2 weeks. However, the blue bin is always full after 4 weeks, especially for those of us with larger families, which is problematic. Long Covid Group Will the café still be there if the Ranger Service goes? Kilbirnie Residents - Syrian & Ukrainian New Scots Women This will have no impact on the participants as they live in Kilbirnie and so do not generally visit this park. Big ESOL class, Syrian, Afghan learners - Nobody will go to the park if it isn’t cleaned etc Garnock Community Campus Umbrella Club Group directed to QR Code survey as ran out of time Newtown Men’s Shed Understandable. Encourage volunteers to help out. Ensure the current staff are redeployed to street scene for example. New Scots Adventure Group Some of the group stated they had never seen a ranger at Eglinton Park so did not feel it would have an impact on them. Online Consultation - Ukrainian • Two disagreed with the proposal with one stating: ‘Eglinton is a great place for outdoor activities. I do not support the closing of the public garden. The number of service personnel can be reduced.’ • 3 participants provided more neutral feedback saying that, ‘It is difficult to answer, because I do not understand how much this service can be replaced by other volunteers or, again, a private business in their place.’ Another said that they were not aware of the activities on offer and so could not have a more definitive opinion. • One participant fully supports the close. NAFCO This is a free service, which is highly valued Outdoor Education is important and valuable, Why would you even consider closing community garden, what could be the saving there. Provides valuable mental health and wellbeing opportunities. Loss of such an amazing range of skills, which really help people. The review needs to consider that it could increase vandalism and end up costing more.
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 45 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Employee Disability Forum The bikes programme was great, included power wheelchairs or bikes that you could take out, it was free and for people who struggle to get out and about in nature. One of the best things for people’s health and wellbeing is to be out in nature and it is quite difficult for people with disabilities to do that so the loss would be massive. The Ranger Service have made a difference in making the park accessible for those with disabilities and the changes are very significant, with TACT using the garden etc. You can see the difference and it’s life changing for some people, they have made huge headway for disabilities. Would there be an opportunity to make it seasonal rather than lose altogether? P7 House Captains - Lawthorn Primary • Keep the rangers! • It would become unsafe if it isn’t looked after • Would the café be shut? • It will become dangerous and overgrown. • Overgrown trees and bushes are dangerous Joint Cabinet Conversation Café • Remove another space that YP socialise. • Likely to get vandalised due to less maintenance and staff. • The park would get ruined. • There are already volunteers working without a park ranger, therefore the volunteers are going to have to do more hours and take on more roles and hours. • The park will need updated in a few years time due to maintenance upkeep being reduced, therefore more money will have to be spent in the future to update and keep the park safe. • Taking away a safe place for young people to go with friends and socialise. North Ayrshire Youth Executive Reduction in Park Rangers might have a low impact on park users but a higher impact on park maintenance. Other groups such as Duke of Edinburgh, Active schools, and community groups could volunteer to complete park maintenance. North Ayrshire Young Ambassadors “I go to the park runs every weekend with my dad then we sit by the café, it’s our weekly tradition.” “We had an experience day at Eglinton Park where they took us through online safety as well as other activities at the park.” “My family attended a summer fun day at the park last summer in 2023, it was such a good day.” “The park has an amazing swing park next to it that is always busy, I always see it when we are walking the dog, especially in the summer.” Although most pupils have attended the park they do not on a regular basis therefore, felt this was not a massive concern to them or family members. “love the park” “café might be effected” “favourite running route” North Ayrshire Champions Board - High impact as visitors won’t know where to go when they visit our towns - Outdoor learning is a big part of childhood, and this would be affected - If you are going on a trip there, it may not be the same experience without the rangers to guide you and help you learn - Big impact as it’s one of the main places for outdoor learning and to be helped by the rangers, people would struggle. Joint Cabinet and Youth Cabinet Nov 2024 More important stuff / Eglinton Park provides valuable education for many children in Kilwinning and the surrounding area but we feel their removal is minimal compared to the other services. If there is a lack of employees to pick up litter. Is a costly the country park could be a good solution.
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 46 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Introduction of Car Parking Charges at Council Owned Car Parks 28. Following the introduction of Decriminalised Parking Enforcement across North Ayrshire, it is proposed to introduce charging for car parking at Council owned car parks. The car parks include: Irvine - Kirkgate, West Road and East Road Kilwinning - Almswall Road and at Oxenward Saltcoats - Vernon Street, and Kirkgate Largs - Gateside Street Up to 1 hour - £1.50 2 hours - £2.00 4 hours - £3.50 It is anticipated that through this proposal a more regular flow of car parking availability would be achieved at Council owned car parks and improve accessibility to town centres 29. Have you any additional comments you wish to make on the introduction of parking charges at Council owned car parks in Irvine (Kirkgate, West Road and East Road) and on how you think communities will be impacted? SUMMARY – these comments apply to all car parks: - Impact on local businesses. Many comments express concern that parking charges will deter shoppers from visiting town centres, leading to reduced foot traffic for small businesses, which are already struggling. They believe that this could result in closures and a shift to out-of-town shopping centres like Silverburn and Braehead, where parking is free. - Financial impact. Many comments expressed the view that parking charges are unwarranted, particularly during a cost-of-living crisis. They said that many people, particularly those on low
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 47 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION incomes, the elderly, and people with mobility issues, would face additional financial strain, potentially discouraging them from using local services and town centres. - Moving parking into residential areas. Some respondents felt that the charges might push people to park in surrounding residential areas or drive to retail parks, exacerbating congestion and making it harder for local residents to park and highlighted that current public transport links are not adequate, although a number of residents did suggest that it could be a positive move for the environment to encourage people to use public transport more while freeing up spaces for shoppers rather than workers. “Paying for parking will just mean people will not visit the towns. They will instead head to big shopping centres and retail parks. Public transport is awful, unreliable, limited and expensive so is not a viable option” “When council policy is town centred why would anyone visit to be hit with parking charges? Irvine has a high rate of deprivation and making people pay to park for work, going to church is wrong” “I can imagine that this is an unpopular idea for a lot of people but I would say, anything to reduce the use of cars is a good thing! I’m happy for car parking charges to be put in place.” “Parking should be free for the first hour at least and introduce a charge after this time limit. Otherwise you are going to kill the small businesses in the High Street. Look at Kilmarnock & Ayr town centres - so quiet! £1.50 is too expensive for one hour.” “This would hopefully encourage people to change their mindset from the default of using the car for errands to using public transport, bikes or their feet. That seems the right direction of travel given the ecological challenges we face.” “Local businesses are already negatively impacted by rising costs. Charging potential customers to park, is another incentive for people to shop online and not support local businesses. People should be getting incentives to shop locally, not being given further reasons to shop elsewhere.” “I think charging for car parking is a good idea. Too many workers hog spaces meaning shoppers struggle to get parked.” “Restricting car usage (e.g. through charging for parking) may contribute to sustainability aspirations but people may need better alternatives/options in public transport. Money raised by parking charges in the town should be ring fenced for investment in the town” “I feel that 2 permits per household should be available as many households have more than one car. I think parking charges could be a way of generating income if it allows other services to remain.” “Charging for use of these facilities will reduce the footfall therefore having a large impact on businesses . Our town businesses are already struggling, adding charges to carparks will see businesses closing and our towns just being empty buildings.” “Absolutely introduce parking charges. Most other councils do it. It may also have the added benefit of encouraging people to take public transport.” “Less people will visit these towns as many larger out of town shopping areas are free to park. It will affect all traders nearby and local people who are the life blood of the towns.” “The additional permits will be expensive for residents but I don’t think the charges for other parking in these areas is unreasonable” “Paying for parking is no bad thing but could it be more reasonable .. £1 per hour, £3 for 4 hours”
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 48 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 30. Have you any additional comments you wish to make on the introduction of parking charges at Council owned car parks in Kilwinning (Almswall Road and at Oxenward) and on how you think communities will be impacted? SUMMARY: The comments focus largely on a perceived negative impact on local businesses. Many comments put forward the argument that the charges will reduce foot traffic in Kilwinning, already struggling with low shop activity, and push customers to free parking alternatives in nearby areas, particularly retail parks. There is concern about the added financial burden on low-income residents, people with disabilities, and those relying on cars for essential services, such doctor visits. “Awful idea. Kilwinning is full of small business who will be sorely affected by the parking charges being introduced.” “Parking should be free for the first hour at least and introduce a charge after this time limit. Otherwise you are going to kill the small businesses in the High Street. Look at Kilmarnock & Ayr town centres - so quiet! £1.50 is too expensive for one hour.” “This introduction will be devastating to all he businesses on our Main Street” “This will kill off small businesses in the town who are already struggling to remain open if people can't park for free they will shop elsewhere” “This will impact local residents again using the local shops and doctors surgery. The footfall for the shops will drop and shops forced to close which will mean the Main Street will look very poor indeed. We know that this then leads to more young people gathering in the main street” “Honestly, great idea. The issue is enforcement. Perhaps bring in a Ringo type service to ensure compliance without the need for as many parking enforcement officers?” “I think the residents parking pass is great, this was not part of the proposal previously. How can residents deal with visitors? Do they need to pay £100 for a pass or would there be a short term additional pass available (thinking overnight or weekend visits). Will there be additional parking attendants to ensure the rules are followed?” “I wouldn’t consider getting the bus and charging for this parking would encourage me to buy shopping in Glasgow after work before I come home. At the moment I’d stop in Kilwinning for essential groceries” “I actually think that this is a great idea! I often travel to town and can never get parked. I also think that there should be penalties for parking in disabled or parent parking spaces if you have no right to use them.” “These charges will see the loss of revenue within Kilwinning as people will or cannot afford charges such as these, people should be encouraged to shop locally wherever possible” “I think any parking charges have an impact on the amount of people that will use the local resources in the area. Limiting time may be a better decision e.g. parking restrictions of an hour, two hours, four hours allow the reduction of parking traffic for longer period but still provide an opportunity to park for free”
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 49 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 31. Have you any additional comments you wish to make on the introduction of parking charges at Council owned car parks in Saltcoats (Vernon Street and Kirkgate) and on how you think communities will be impacted? SUMMARY: The comments received showed concern about the impact of proposed parking charges on Saltcoats with the fear that they could drive away shoppers, further harm struggling high streets, and reduce foot traffic, especially for small businesses. Many comments pointed out that a paid-for car park already exists in the town centre and is not used to the same extent that other free cars are. “There is little to no free parking anywhere left in Saltcoats” “Saltcoats high street is struggling, pay to park would exacerbate this.” “Saltcoats town is already a deprived town and may shops closing over the past few years, parking charges will push more people away from the town and to other areas such as Silverburn or online only shopping. Public transport is not a good enough service to encourage people not to drive, our local services are limited and unreliable.” “Saltcoats used to be a lovely seaside town but with the amount of closures already taken place this wouldn't help at all. How are you supposed to attract visitors with additional charges” “Fully support car park charging and parking should be used for income maximisation. The use of residential areas for free parking would be a risk and this must be monitored” “There is already a lack of free parking in Saltcoats town centre, especially if you don't have a blue badge, this just discourages people from using the town centre and will therefore have a negative effect on local businesses, the council should abolish parking charges completely to encourage people to shop local.” “Parking at Vernon Street is already a huge issue, introducing this measure will escalate it further. We are making it difficult for people to come into the town and find suitable parking at little or no cost.” “The areas in which the proposed parking charges are being implemented area facing deprivation and higher rates of unemployment and closures of shops and businesses. Those working in the area who relying on their car as the main mode of transport will be spending more of their wages on parking charges and may face financial implications as a result. Local residents who have mobility or health issues that do not meet the blue badge scheme requirements, the older generation and those reliant on cars will be penalised when parking to do their shopping, visiting GP or dentist or for treating themselves to a hair cut or a meal out with friends.” 32. Have you any additional comments you wish to make on the introduction of parking charges at Council owned car parks in Largs (Gateside Street) and on how you think communities will be impacted? SUMMARY: Many of the comments focused on a perceived lack of parking spaces within Largs, with the problem getting worse during the tourist season when many visitors drive to the town and take up available spaces. The respondents felt that there was already too much competition for a parking space in the town and local people will now be made to suffer by having to pay for parking in previously free car parks. A number of survey responses indicated that parking fees will discourage people from visiting the town, leading to decreased foot traffic, shop closures,
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 50 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION and a move towards online shopping or retail parks. Some also suggested that the charges could be justified if funds were used to improve parking infrastructure and enforcement. “I already avoid Largs due to your parking wardens and overcharging in the few car parks there are. Parking charges destroy small businesses and communities” “This will massively increase parking on local streets, increasing congestion. If you made a scheme whereby people could claim the money back from parking when they used a local shop or cafe that would be different. This is limiting people's access to the town.” “Parking in Largs is already difficult enough. Free parking is a must for better accessibility and to keep the town shops thriving.” “I think this is a completely acceptable idea. Very few towns have free parking.” “As I business owner in the town I feel bringing charges into the gate side street car park will be detrimental to my business. I think it will encourage residents to travel to shopping centres out with the town which in turn could put several shops at risk of closure. Also for staff members who do not live in town there will be no provision for all day parking near the town centre.” “It will discourage visitors coming to Largs as it is an increased cost to a day out. Largs residents who use the carpark frequently will be financially disadvantaged.” “Largs is popular with tourists and people from across Ayrshire and further afield during the summer months. Introducing car parking fees only deters people to visit the town and again, will almost certainly impact local businesses. Perhaps to help with traffic flow and availability of parking, you could offer so many hours free parking during peak times of the year, and if they overstay this time, then pay.” “People should be encouraged into Largs, through free parking, to support the local shops. Shops have been closing. Allowing people to park for free and utilise what is on their doorstep is important to keep open the remaining stores. Local high streets should be supported in a world of online shopping.” “Gateside Street is the only free car park at the moment & it’s often difficult to find a space. Many towns have ageing populations and are dependent on their cars to get them out & about. Any parking fees add to the cost of shopping, coffees & lunches so this has an effect on businesses. If you have to add parking fees then people may not go to the shops/ cafes as often as it’ll become unaffordable thus another impact on local businesses!” “This is a positive measure - provided that there is adequate parking available for blue badge holders and that parking restrictions are effectively enforced outside the fee paying car park areas.”
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 52 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 34. Please use this space if you wish to provide further information on your answer(s) above. SUMMARY: Many responses focused on the potential impact any charges could have on small businesses, already struggling economically. Specific groups, such as low-income families, the elderly, and those with disabilities were highlighted as particularly vulnerable to the parking charges. “Businesses won’t survive as people will shop elsewhere because they can get free parking” “This will have a big impact on small businesses and also on families.” “Restricted parking charges will have an impact on business owners and workers who use their own transport to travel to and from their place of work. There should be permits available to workers/owner while at work” “If blue badge exemptions still apply the impact could be positive for disabled people” “This policy will affect the elderly and disabled accessing their local high street. It could also impact local traders and small businesses in reducing footfall to the high street.” “People on a low income struggle enough financially without having to pay to park in their own home town, particularly the elderly, if they are unable to walk without a mobility aid and they do not qualify for a parking badge.” Feedback on the proposed introduction of charging for car parking at Council owned car parks” from engagement groups Name of Group Feedback Received Redburn Grove Tenants Group The Redburn Grove members were disappointed to hear of this proposal as they feel this charge will force people to use other towns to shop and socialise in. There were some queries over whether blue badge holders may need to pay. 3T Community Shed • Will drive local shoppers out of town • Local shops would lose trade • Will have a very negative impact • Would it be cash or card for parking fees? • You would need to increase parking spaces, already struggling • Limit time to park • Limit business owners parking to free up spaces • If business owners need to pay, this would cripple them or make them move localities/local authorities • Stagecoach will benefit when people start taking the bus more Healing Hearts Group No to this – totally against parking charges. Moving from carpark to carpark to access different parts of the town will increase costs. Older Peoples Network Feedback on impact: Shops will die off, reduce footfall in town centres. Big ESOL class Ukrainian table • All seven people said there would be no impact on them because none of them drive. • Some suggested that adding more speed cameras would be a better option than introducing parking charges. Long Covid Group Absolutely horrendous – especially as a blue badge holder. Car parking times are a real issue. Charge tourists not residents for parking – appreciate this is difficult to implement. More disabled spaces would be needed.
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Community Facilities and Car Parking Page 53 of 53 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Kilbirnie Residents - Syrian & Ukrainian New Scots Women Every week the participants visit Irvine or Saltcoats to go shopping or when they/family members attend the mosque so parking charges would have a high impact. Big ESOL class, Syrian, Afghan learners - Low-income families will be greatly affected by the proposed charges. - Income will be impacted. - High impact for day-to-day costs (shopping). - Would impact ESOL class attendance. Garnock Community Campus Umbrella Club Group directed to QR Code survey as ran out of time. Newtown Men’s Shed Terrible idea. Will drive visitors/shoppers away from town centres. Carers who are parking to go into client homes would need to be issued with passes, as would other NAC staff. Would disabled drivers be expected to pay also? Also, the proposed charges are far too much. If this does go ahead, could a blanket fee of £1 be introduced? Harbourside Men’s Shed Common place these days however is the set up cost worth the amount of revenue this will bring in. Online Consultation - Ukrainian • 2 participants fully support the proposal. • 2 were undecided with one stating that, ‘It's hard to answer because I don't have a car.’ • 2 disagree with the proposal with one commenting that, ‘It will ruin local businesses and distract tourists from the region. Why not to think how to attract tourists to the region and get some money from this sector?’. NAFCO Should still be free for between 30 mins or an hour. Should have cash options Could have negative impact on small businesses if not free for 30min-1hr Most places you expect to pay for Car parking The Kilwinning one is close to doctors, so needs to have that up to an hour free. The permits are going to cause confusion Largs already pay for car parking Still free at supermarkets Parking attendants going to have increased bad and illegal parking in other places ESOL Class, Ukrainian/Russian speakers This is a very bad idea. There will be parked cars everywhere else to avoid the car park where you need to pay. As two participants don’t have a car this will not affect them. Employee Disability Forum Blue badges are not exempt from charges. It’s confusing for people and it’s not always clear who they are applicable to and who is exempt from them - need to make it clear. Should you be paying for parking in town centre if you have a blue badge? Low Impact (but from a disability point of view all car parks shouldn’t charge people with blue badges for parking in blue bays and information should be made available on website to make it clear). Older Peoples Voice Network (Irvine) No clarity on impact for disabled drivers, are they liable to pay? It will affect the local economy and will impact people going to work.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 1 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 2025 to 2026 Budget Engagement Findings Schools and related services for Children and Young People Appendix 3
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 1 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Contents About this Document / Method ........................................................................................... 2 Demographics .................................................................................................................... 3 Realign the level of teaching resource across North Ayrshire ................................................ 5 Survey responses ............................................................................................................ 5 Engagement Group Feedback ........................................................................................ 11 Realign the level of Pupil Support Assistants in schools ..................................................... 16 Survey Responses ......................................................................................................... 16 Engagement Group Feedback ........................................................................................ 21 Review of Provision of Area Inclusion Workers ................................................................... 26 Survey Responses ......................................................................................................... 26 Engagement Group Feedback ........................................................................................ 30 Redesign of Music Service ................................................................................................ 33 Survey Responses ......................................................................................................... 33 Engagement Group Feedback ........................................................................................ 38 Review of Campus Police Officer Arrangements ................................................................ 40 Survey Responses ......................................................................................................... 40 Engagement Group Feedback ........................................................................................ 44 Review of School Crossing Patrollers ................................................................................. 47 Survey Responses ......................................................................................................... 47 Engagement Group Feedback ........................................................................................ 51 Cleaning Reduction in School/Early Years Centres ............................................................. 55 Survey Responses ......................................................................................................... 55 Engagement Group Feedback ........................................................................................ 59 Review of Educational Psychology Service ......................................................................... 62 Survey Responses ......................................................................................................... 62 Engagement Group Feedback ........................................................................................ 67 Feedback from Unison ...................................................................................................... 69 Feedback from North Ayrshire EIS – Extraordinary LNCT Meeting on Friday 29th November 2024 ................................................................................................................................ 71 Savings Proposals – Education ...................................................................................... 71 Savings proposals – Facilities Management.................................................................... 73
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 2 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION About this Document / Method This document contains the summarised feedback from the 2025 to 2026 Council Budget Engagement undertaken between 10th October and 25th November 2024. It contains survey findings, engagement group feedback and where relevant, comments from trade unions. Due to the scale of the consultation, information has been analysed by theme as per the surveys issued: 1. Additional Council Tax Levy on Second Homes 2. Community Facilities and Car Parking 3. Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People (this report) 4. Service Delivery 5. Taxes and Levies 6. Waste Services This approach is more comprehensive than providing a single statistics or feedback document and enables quicker distribution to Elected Members and Officers for consideration. Please note: As the survey was divided by theme, if there is a need to combine findings across the engagement exercise caution should be used to ensure reference is made to the number of responses, rather than number of respondents. Open field questions produced an extensive amount of feedback, running to at least 10,000 words per survey. To make this manageable, this feedback has been examined manually and summarised for each question. As well as the summary, key examples of feedback are then quoted for each question to ensure the voices of our communities are directly visible. This text is as received by our respondents.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 5 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Realign the level of teaching resource across North Ayrshire Survey responses 1. North Ayrshire’s pupil-teacher ratio in 2023 was 12.3 pupils to each teacher, significantly lower than the national pupil-teacher ratio of 13:2. With the ongoing fall in the pupil roll, we propose to reduce 50 teachers from August 2025 across mainstream primary and secondary schools, which would result in a pupil-teacher ratio of approximately 13.0 in 2025/26. This is still better than the current national average. The proposal would see more efficient classes in mainstream primary schools and align the allocation of teachers numbers in secondary schools, based on the school roll. A review of the advanced higher delivery models will also contribute to this efficiency. What impact will this have on your community? 2. Have you any additional comments you wish to make on the realignment of teaching resource and on how you think communities will be impacted? SUMMARY OF RESPONSES: - Impact on staff. Many comments highlighted the pressure on teachers, with regard to class sizes, workloads. There is concern that reducing teacher numbers will worsen these issues, affecting their wellbeing, leading to increased absenteeism and higher turnover rates.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 6 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION - Effect on pupils, especially those with Additional Needs. A recurring comment was that reducing teacher numbers will particularly harm students with additional support needs (ASN). Respondents said these pupils require more one-to-one support, which will be harder to provide with fewer staff. They felt that this could further widen the attainment gap, particularly in areas of deprivation. - Quality of Education. Many comments said that any reduction in teaching staff will lead to larger class sizes, reduce subject offerings, and fewer extracurricular opportunities, such as school trips. In turn, they felt that a reduction in support and resources could compromise the quality of education and overall learning experiences for students. Teachers are already over stretched and with multiple children with ASN in mainstream classes, is extremely short sighted Attainment is already below national average. How is reducing teachers going to help this? Closing additional support needs schools has led to an increase in ASN students attending mainstream schools meaning an increase in staff is essential to ensure that the children are receiving the education that staff is expected to teach, cutting staff whether it be teachers or pupil support staff is not helping the children to learn. This is not good enough for our children. The teachers are run off their feet, personally for daughter to lose her support teachers will put a big impact on her education, not just my daughter but all of the children with special needs. Shocking to think the council would even consider this. Teachers are already struggling, the removal of classroom assistants and the extra additional support needed will have a massive impact on teachers workload. It will also have a massive impact on the standard of education that our children receive. These cuts will have a long-term impact on the children of north Ayrshire and their future. An effective Pupil-Teacher ratio goes beyond just numbers and is impacted by the needs of the class. North Ayrshire has a high level of children affected by the poverty related attainment gap compared to other areas of Scotland. Data also shows an increase each year of children presenting with additional support needs including social and communication needs and behavioural needs. Teachers and support staff already struggle to meet the needs of both individuals with ASN and the rest of the class. Reducing the number of teachers can only have a negative impact on this. This is a very reasonable proposal. Furthermore, in my opinion, the ratios are too generous. When I was at school the ratio was often 1 teacher for as many as 30 pupils and we had no classroom assistants. Everyone seemed to manage well enough and I see no reason why people of today would be any less able to manage. I am a primary teacher and although class sizes have reduced slightly the amount of extra support has significantly reduced. The number of ASN pupils and those with behaviour issues has increased in the main sector due to inclusion. Many of these pupils need one to one support which means the other children get nothing. Teachers are absolutely on their knees and are trying to catch up with the impact of Covid with less and less support. We cannot loose anymore of our resources without it having a hugely significant impact on our young people and our community in the future.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 7 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION NA has the second highest rate of child poverty in Scotland, 29% of children are living in poverty in North Ayrshire. Schools help to mitigate risks associated with child poverty by identifying needs of individual children and providing them with a safe space to learn. North Ayrshire also has the highest level of youth unemployment in Scotland. The important role that schools and teachers play in reducing that number is obvious. It is unfair to use the national average of pupil/teacher ratios as a reason to strip funds from NA’s education services because the needs of pupils in NA are not the same as the needs of pupils in other local authorities. It’s like comparing apples to oranges. We need more teachers, not less.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 8 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 3. The next question relates to the impact that the proposal will have on people with protected characteristics, people who are care experienced, people who are in certain socio-economic positions and small business owners. Do you think the proposal will have a particular impact on any of the groups below?
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 9 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 4. Please use this space if you wish to provide further information on your answer(s) above. SUMMARY OF RESPONSES: The main focus of responses in this section referred to children with additional needs. Many emphasised the importance of individual attention and care, particularly for neurodiverse children and those with behavioural or emotional difficulties. Many felt that children from deprived backgrounds or care-experienced would be largely affected saying that reduced staff and support would further hinder their learning and wellbeing. Children, particularly those with disability, additional support needs, or low household income will be adversely affected with this proposed cut. Children with increased needs include those with asn, eal, care experienced, child protection and affected by the attainment gap, these are all high in North Ayrshire and our children require more support not less. This should be a priority to impact on the future of children and young people living within NAC. Will affect pupils in SIMD areas where teachers are reduced as their needs will only increase. Also reduction for those with any support need will suffer as it is long term support which is required. Children with additional support needs will be severely affected by this and will ultimately not get the support they need to access education which is their legal right. Children who may be suffering from abuse at home will be more likely to fall under the radar as teachers will be overworked and may not see signs. Vulnerable children who require support for their emotional wellbeing will be affected as their will be less staff available to offer support Again, the level of care experienced young people and additional need continues to rise. In North Ayrshire where the level of deprivation is among the highest in Scotland, reducing any education supports will be detrimental to the outcomes for our most vulnerable children. Our island community relies on hospitality, tourism and farming for the majority of jobs. We also desperately need more tradespeople on the island. Our curriculum does not offer entry paths into many of these areas as it is unable to offer enough variation. Certain age ranges will be impacted by this more than others, I imagine possibly secondary age children in my area. I also feel that those on a low income etc may be impacted as they cannot move home easily or afford to travel further to take their children to another school that suits their needs better.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 10 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 5. Do you think the proposal is likely to have an effect on any island communities which is significantly different from its effect on other communities (including other island communities) in North Ayrshire? 6. If you answered "yes" to the above question, please use this space to provide further information. SUMMARY OF RESPONSES: The key concerns expressed in the survey responses suggest that islands already face an issue with attracting and retaining staff and not having the same range of subject as the mainland and these issues would be further exacerbated by reduced teacher numbers. A number of respondents felt that some schools already struggling to meet the needs of students, especially those with additional support needs (ASN). They said a reduction in staff would limit educational opportunities, increase strain on existing staff, and further isolate these communities, as island students have fewer alternatives for support or education compared to mainland students. Additionally, an apparent lack of access to specialised services, such as child psychologists, is a particular concern. Once again Arran has significantly less resources at hand than the mainland If we want children to stay on the islands and contribute to their community, then we need to give them the skills to do that through education. School numbers are lowering, but the choice of subjects available is too, this is not acceptable for island locations, as the children cannot always then study subjects required to achieve career choices. Islands benefit from much smaller pupil/teacher ratios Island communities need the same services despite smaller numbers and if cuts are based on population, then this will hugely affect island communities. This will long term affect population numbers and devastate these communities Available subjects to study in Arran High school are limited by teachers prepared to move to the island. Housing and a reliable ferry service are essential.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 11 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION On Arran we have a significant amount of children with needs but don't have the specialist support services that are available on the mainland. Island pupils are already disadvantaged educationally with a tighter curriculum, reducing staffing will only add to this Lots of families come to Arran with children who have additional support needs - important that there are enough skilled teachers to be able to support when bespoke approaches are needed Undeniably, this will impact our island schools. If teachers are cut, there will be less opportunities for extracurricular, fewer staff supporting our young people with ASN, and less choice in our curriculum. In an already demanding and complex job, there will be many important aspects of the roles that staff simply will not have the time to do. Engagement Group Feedback Redburn Grove Tenants Group The Redburn Grove members felt this proposal should not be on the table for discussion as it will have a massive impact on the direct education of young people. “Why are the kids suffering with this Council budget engagement???” 3T Community Shed • Higher numbers of ASN young people in mainstream schools and there are not enough people to support them • Causing added stress North Coast Youth Forum A lot of classes already overfilled, and teachers seem distressed due to being too busy. Impact learning for young people if small group support is not available. Huge impact of young people’s learning as the teaching staff would not have time for individual’s needs. Equal Supported Employment - Creative Writing Group Again due to the health conditions experienced within this group, they all felt that the realigning of teaching staff and pupil support was not favourable. They felt that realigning should not be a word used for education as everyone in the group has had experience of school or education being a difficult time in their lives and they felt that an increase in this support was necessary rather than a proposed realignment. A suggestion was made for both the Area Inclusion and for School Support that perhaps there was something that could be done by training peer group or lived experience volunteers to help support those with disabilities – this would give the peer group workers a chance to upskill, wouldn’t cost any additional resources in terms of salaries but would also bring a new approach to those in the community with similar disabilities. North Ayrshire Sports Academy • “We need more teachers not less” • Parents • Teachers • Exam Pass Rates
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 12 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Scottish Syrian Roses This would have a very high impact. Some classes already have 25 children in them and the class is packed. Physically, the classrooms cannot hold more students. With any more students than that, there is too much pressure on everyone. The teacher can’t focus on individuals and no one would get anything out of the lesson. Equal - Heads Up! Group Feedback on the changes within education included the impact that this would have on those who really need additional educational support as it was felt that at the moment things relating to additional support was tight enough without any further reduction or change. We Work for Families - Parent Group 1.Explanation not clear enough to decide on this. 2.Does this mean every class would be 12 or 13? Currently it is over 20 mainly? Big ESOL class Ukrainian table •Reducing the number of teachers would affect grandchildren, as some attendees mentioned their children require extra support with English. •They believe it’s a bad idea to have more pupils in classes with varying needs, such as language barriers, as this would result in less attention for each student. •Everyone at the table was against reducing the number of teachers. Long Covid Group “Education should be looked at, not sure that it’s a good idea to cut teachers.” “North Ayrshire Council do a good job in Education in terms of resources.” Kilbirnie Residents - Syrian & Ukrainian New Scots Women Teachers should not be made redundant. They really help children and if some are made redundant this will mean larger class sizes with more noise and less focus resulting in children not understanding/learning. Big ESOL class, Syrian, Afghan learners -Feedback on impact: -Larger class sizes means children wouldn’t be able to concentrate. -It will affect social skills. -They feel that bigger classes will mean teachers can’t give students the attention and education they need. Garnock Community Campus Umbrella Club Group directed to QR Code survey as ran out of time She Shed Teachers are already stressed with wide range of needs of children in their class reducing this will impact them and the children. Newtown Men’s Shed Be prepared for strike action as this will not go down well at all. Online Consultation - Ukrainian •Two participants stated that they do not support the proposal. •One participant questioned the future employment of displaced teachers, suggesting they might be forced to rely on job centres. They further proposed reducing job centre staff, arguing that these centres do not actively provide job opportunities. •Another participant criticized the proposal as a bad idea, highlighting concerns about the country's low level of innovation and emphasizing that education is critical for the future of the economy. •Two participants agree with the proposal. NAFCO This should only be implemented if the crucial supports around teaching are not affected cannot implement this one, and then the next two also. ESOL Class, Ukrainian/Russian speakers For one participant this will have no impact as they do not have children. Two participants who have children are unsure of the impact as they do not have enough information about how the schools are run, and staffing levels in North Ayrshire.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 13 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Employee Disability Forum Generally, in terms of teachers, there may be a bit of an impact for those with disabilities. Discussions centred more on Pupil Support Assistants detailed below. P7 House Captains - Lawthorn Primary • If this happens if will affect our learning • We want to have an amazing education and need enough teachers to do this. • There are already full classes and split between 3 teachers, split for numeracy and literacy and sometimes you can’t get the help you need. • We need more than one teacher to help sometimes • Secondary schools need specific teachers for subjects and not stand in ones. • We need one to one help sometimes. • Teachers could lose their jobs. Joint Cabinet Conversation Café • Too much for the person doing this role could be doing loads of overtime young people may be missed if there is one less person doing this role • Teaching staff are not available due to reduction in staff • Less teachers to control the classes. • Less subjects available for young people to take- Subject reductions. • There is already a reduction in subjects so it would make it worse. • Less school activities for young people to socialise in such as school shows, School trips as there won’t be enough teachers to lead these things. • Teachers are safe people for young people to talk to and if teachers that young people rely on are taken away it will affect young people • Poor wellbeing for pupils that rely on certain teachers for support. • Risks of pupils having to take up more roles. • Its all schools that will be affected, Some young people travel already from school to school for subjects and it could eat into learning time if more subjects are taken away from schools. • Some areas in the school are already understaffed, Teachers are having to get training in different subjects to what they teach already. • There are not enough support staff so pupils are having to step up and take on responsibilities. • Teachers are Young Peoples safe spaces sometimes and if they specific teachers are taken away it could affect young people’s wellbeing. • Teachers are already struggling to control classes bigger classes will be impossible and the quality of learning will go down hill North Ayrshire Youth Executive • Limit having different teachers for the same subject. • Given the information provided we don’t think this will have a huge impact on young people, however there are a large number of qualified and unemployed teachers – huge impact on them. Pupil Feedback - lots of lovely teachers - such a waste - class sizes could increase and everyone has different skills - difficult to work and focus - lamlash only has 3 - fewer classes - chaos - not as much help for us
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 14 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION North Ayrshire Young Ambassadors “Everyone always had their favourite teacher at the school, they always made sure school was fun and engaging, how can they reduce their resources?” “Class sizes to big” “Extra help unavailable due to decrease” The vast majority understood the importance of having a good ratio of teaching staff to pupils, this was highly reflected throughout the discussion surrounding class sizes and support. High Impact – “Not enough teachers as it is.” “parent might lose job” “already not enough teachers” “not enough face-to-face” “Sometimes we are short of teachers in our school and can’t get PE and it’s rubbish when that happens” “Less teachers would have a huge impact because it would take away things that we can learn” North Ayrshire Champions Board I hate this one. In some classes we already struggle to get support as it is and this would make it even harder and our education might be affected / I don’t like big crowds so extra classmates would give me anxiety and it can be a big change for some people, this would mean even less 1-1 support and our education would be at risk / Classes are already do big, this could cause anxiety and it’s already hard for the teachers to try and help everyone. Joint Cabinet and Youth Cabinet Nov 2024 “Don’t cut teachers.” “There already is not enough teachers” “We chose this as our main priority as we know education is one of main concerns.” Parent Council Chairs • Query raised around whether this proposal would have a negative impact on composite classes by increasing the need for this type of class arrangement. • Query about how the teacher reduction would be achieved in practice. Response given that this would be roll-related reductions, handled through the annual staffing exercise. • Concern about the potentially negative impact a reduction of teachers would have on pupil attainment. • Concern about the impact a reduction in teachers could have particularly on island schools, where ASN provision is already seen as more difficult to access than on the mainland.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 15 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION • Many schools already have a number of composite classes – an appeal for no multi-composite classes through any reduction in teachers. It is already viewed as challenging with existing composite class arrangements. • Concern raised about teacher recruitment and retention on Arran. • Suggestion that the pupil/teacher ratio (PTR) is affected by smaller class sizes in island and rural communities, and that this may be giving a false impression of how healthy the PTR is in reality, by lowering the overall NAC PTS figure. • We need to ensure we are not just focused on poverty – there is also a need to address the challenges of rurality. • Attainment is the priority of the council. A reduction in teachers will affect attainment. • A reduction in teachers will potentially increase attainment gaps. This proposal will actually make things worse, not better. • There is a significant increase in additional support needs in our schools. Current resource is already stretched. Specialist provisions are already full, so reducing teachers will mean that support is worse for those with ASN. • The requirements of supporting ASN are on the increase. Many children on waiting lists for diagnosis etc. Living with Adverse Childhood experiences, toxic stress and therefore resulting in challenging behaviours. Reduction to teachers and support assistants would mean that the distressed child’s needs would be less well met (as well as the rest of the class). • The increase in ASN is already having a significant impact on PSAs and the level of complexity they are trying to support – concern that it will be worse if this saving is taken (applies to both the teacher saving and the PSA saving). • PSAs are already overworked and are unable to provide all pupils with support when needed. More pupils particularly in secondary need 1-1 support. PSA roles encompass more than just learning support in class. • Impact of a reduction in teacher numbers on Arran High School is likely to be a narrowing the curriculum. • Arran – suicide rates on the island – makes care and support more challenging for young people. • Reducing teacher numbers is a risk to the breadth of the curriculum across all schools • There has been a massive increase in support needs. Cycle of repeated behaviour. Things are getting worse. This will deteriorate further if we cut staffing levels. • Parents/carers being asked to help with reading groups means schools are already reaching out to the community for support. • People other than teachers are having to step in to support distressed behaviours. • There is an increase in placing requests. Impact of placing requests on staff resource. • Already insufficient resource for ASN in early years. This will be made worse if we reduce the number of teachers / PSAs.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 16 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Realign the level of Pupil Support Assistants in schools Survey Responses 7. Primary and secondary schools receive an allocation of Pupil Support Assistants (PSAs) who provide a range of support to children and young people to enable them to participate in education and learning. PSA's support their emotional and behavioural needs, literacy and numeracy development and health/disability needs. The allocation of staff is based on budget, school roll and level of social deprivation. The staffing levels for 2023 equated to 13,500 hours per week. In 2022, it was 12,700, despite a falling pupil school roll. This review would help to realign that position. This proposal is to remove £160,000 from the budget which would result in an approximate reduction of 230hrs per week of PSA resource. What impact will this have on your community? 8. Have you any additional comments you wish to make on the realignment of Pupil Support Assistants in schools and on how you think communities will be impacted? SUMMARY OF RESPONSES: The comments received largely showed concern about the proposed reduction of Pupil Support Assistants (PSAs) in schools, especially in light of the increasing number of students with additional support needs (ASN). Many of those who responded said that PSAs are vital in providing one-on-one support for vulnerable students, including those with behavioural issues and special educational needs. They added that PSAs play a vital role in enabling effective classroom management. Many responses felt that reducing PSA support will harm both the educational experience and wellbeing of students.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 17 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION More Pupil Support Assistants are required to support with the increase in ASN pupils. Behaviour is also a huge issue and PSA staff Support teachers with these issues. More pupils require one to one support. Pupil support assistants play a huge role within our schools and I know they could not run efficiently without them. There are major challenges within our schools regarding challenging behaviour our children are experiencing huge challenges related to the impact of covid and a range of other issues without the proper number of pupil support assistants the school staff will be unable to meet the needs of these children leading to an array of issues within our community in the future. There is a desperate need for an increase in PSA given the need profile of pupils - more children than ever with complex support needs. There are complex needs of many children within all schools, and many children requiring the help and support provided by PSA are crucial in ensuring the children can be given the support and care needed to reach the academic targets and emotional health and well-being while in education setting. I would fully support this proposal. Pupil support is not a bad idea but it can go too far and lead to a reduction is resilience and self-reliance. the allocation of PSAs doesn’t actually seem to take into consideration the individual pupils needs. My school is not in an area of deprivation but we do have many individuals who need support. CAs are having to look after individuals with autism, Down syndrome and behaviour issues which means that all the pupils with dyslexia get very little extra support. How can education possibly meet the rights of every child under these conditions? Many pupils now require support and to maintain excellence in education we must provide adequate support to prevent learning time with other classroom pupils being reduced. Reducing Classroom assistants will also reduce the quality of education of our children. A teacher cannot manage additional needs and provide effective learning and maintaining high standards. I made the decision to remove my child from education and home educate as he was unable to get the correct level of PSA required for his needs therefore, he was underperforming in formal school setting. I feel by cutting resources this will only have a negative impact on those who need it most. This reduction will negatively impact the most vulnerable children who have additional support needs. The presence of psa's in classrooms not only helps the children with asn but their classmates and the teachers. Schools have constantly expressed huge pressure as they did not have enough PSA previously. A further reduction will have a huge impact.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 18 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 9. The next question relates to the impact that the proposal will have on people with protected characteristics, people who are care experienced, people who are in certain socio-economic positions and small business owners. Do you think the proposal will have a particular impact on any of the groups below?
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 19 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 10. Please use this space if you wish to provide further information on your answer(s) above. SUMMARY OF RESPONSES: The comments received express concerns that a reduction in PSA provision could have on vulnerable students, including those with Additional Support Needs (ASN), disabilities, mental health issues, and those from deprived backgrounds. Many respondents said that PSAs are vital for ensuring equal access to education, as they provide academic, emotional, and personal care support. Many commented that reducing PSA support will harm individual students and the overall classroom environment, leading to lower educational attainment and increased strain on teachers. It will particularly affect those with disability and those from areas of deprivation Due to inclusion, children with ASN are in mainstream schools and not accessing the resources and environment which would support them best. At the same time there are still gaps in attainment since Covid. We can’t bridge those gaps without staff and support. This proposal will affect ALL pupils. If no staff are available to support pupils with SEN or ASN then the entire class will suffer. Children with asn due to disability or neurodivergence will suffer if they cannot access supports in class. They will struggle to stay in class and this will negatively impact their learning and confidence. Reducing the number of hours provided by support assistants will obviously have a negative impact on those children who need it and will also impact on children who do not require additional support. Schools are meant to be equitable for all children. PSAs provide that equity for children with ASN or difficult learning. Removing this role will be removing equity in education for all. 11. Do you think the proposal is likely to have an effect on any island communities which is significantly different from its effect on other communities (including other island communities) in North Ayrshire?
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 20 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 12. If you answered "yes" to the above question, please use this space to provide further information. SUMMARY OF RESPONSES: The comments highlight some specific challenges faced by island communities, especially with regard to education and support services. Recurring responses include the greater need for support in smaller, more rural schools where resources, such as PSAs, are already limited. Respondents said that island schools often lack access to specialised services and have fewer support options compared to mainland schools, making reductions in PSAs especially detrimental. There was also concern about deprivation on islands, where socio-economic factors may not be accurately reflected by traditional indicators like SIMD scores. Many responses highlighted the importance of all children being able to access PSAs, regardless of geographical location. Arran HS has had a significant number of disadvantaged pupils in recent years and classroom assistance has been very important in the educational outcomes for the rest of the pupils, by giving more help to the disadvantaged. Island communities have less access to ASN schools, support facilities, specialised community groups, training and charity organisations than the mainland so families with additional needs/experiencing disadvantages can become marginalised and less able to access educational choice and support in the community. Many families are attracted to the quieter schools the islands offer, many with often complex needs feel that they offer a ‘safer’ community for their children. Many of the mainland services offered to support these children with complex needs are limited on the islands, they already have difficulty with supports, why then would the authority purposefully reduce this further. Arran has become a place of refuge for families with children who have additional needs. The level of families moving to Arran with children who are ASD or suffering with anxiety is high and needs to weighed accordingly. Given that Arran has an aging population and a falling population (well above other Islands), it requires more funding to aid the children and families here - not less. We already suffer with fewer resources for children. Please do not remove what we do have Arran doesn't have the support networks that mainland NA has. There are no family groups, no wraparound care, to cut PSAs just impacts on all our youngsters, both those that need the PSA support, and those who will be affected if their peers don't have PSA support.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 21 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Engagement Group Feedback Redburn Grove Tenants Group The Redburn Grove members felt this proposal should not be on the table for discussion as it will have a massive impact on the direct education of young people. Redburn Grove Tenants Group Why are the kids suffering with this Council budget engagement??? All group members felt this proposal should not be considered as it will have a massive impact on the direct education of young people. 3T Community Shed • Need some pupil support staff to support ASN young people in mainstream schools. • 2:1 ratio causing barriers • Cannot justify pulling teachers and pupil support staff. It needs to be one or the other • Need better guidelines North Coast Youth Forum Some young people feel school is already understaffed. North Ayrshire Sports Academy • The staff are vital in our schools. Equal Supported Employment - Creative Writing Group Again due to the health conditions experienced within this group, they all felt that the realigning of teaching staff and pupil support was not favourable. They felt that realigning should not be a word used for reduction as everyone in the group has had experience of school or education being a difficult time in their lives and they felt that an increase in this support was necessary rather than a proposed realignment. A suggestion was made for both the Area Inclusion and for School Support that perhaps there was something that could be done by training peer group or lived experience volunteers to help support those with disabilities – this would give the peer group workers a chance to upskill, wouldn’t cost any additional resources in terms of salaries but would also bring a new approach to those in the community with similar disabilities. Scottish Syrian Roses This is not an acceptable proposal. Children with English as a second language, or children with special needs require the extra support to achieve the same level of skills/education as other children, and so would be badly impacted by this. To meet both the physical and mental needs of the children, the teacher needs the assistant. This service should not be decreased. Equal - Heads Up! Group Feedback on the changes within education included the impact that this would have on those who really need additional educational support as it was felt that at the moment things relating to additional support was tight enough without any further reduction or change. We Work for Families - Parent Group 1. Massive impact on ability for teachers to do the actual job of teaching if this is reduced. 2. This suggestion had a massive reaction as parents feel their kids are very distracted in the classroom sizes that they are in presently, due to the number of children that need additional support. 3. Parents felt that PSA’s are essential and gave many examples of good practice and really good feedback on the support provided with their children. ASN Friday Night Youth Group The young people that attend Lockhart Campus feel this is very needed within their school as there is a variety of needs amongst young people so this would impact them greatly as it is a well utilised resource currently. Some young people attend college therefore this would not affect them.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 22 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Big ESOL class Ukrainian table • Classroom assistants help children with English as an additional language and play a significant role in their education. • Any reduction in education support is viewed as negative and should not happen, as poor education ultimately affects parents. • One person believes that teachers are more important than classroom assistants, who may be seen as less critical. Long Covid Group “Should not cut this service.” “No to this – need this support.” “My son wouldn’t be where he is without this service.” She Shed The reduction of hours on PSA’s has an impact on the level of support for the teachers, children, and young people. Harbourside Men’s Shed Classroom assistants must be retained in all ASN schools. If any reductions have to be made, ensure they are made from mainstream establishments. New Scots Adventure Group • Many of the group had benefitted themselves from pupil support, especially in language. They felt it was an important resource for children who were struggling at school. Online Consultation - Ukrainian • One participant stated that the proposal is feasible only if schools are prepared to take greater responsibility for their performance and outcomes. They noted that not all schools have efficient and responsible teams in place. • Another participant expressed that they could not provide an opinion due to a lack of information about how the proposal would impact the educational process. • Two participants supported the proposal, with one stating it is a good idea, and if problems arise from it, then it is a case of collective responsibility to resolve it. • One participant disagreed with the proposal, emphasizing that support staff must continue to work. NAFCO This is a crucial service and supports learning enabling teachers to get on with teaching The logic for this should not be about school rolls and be about needs, which seem to be getting more complex, using the school numbers does not seem to be the correct way to consider this. Do not support. ESOL Class, Ukrainian/Russian speakers A reduction of assistants creates more work for teachers then leading to strikes. 2 participants stated it is not a problem for them as they do not have children. 1 also stated that young children learn English quickly so in lower-level classes there is not the need for assistant to help with learning English. For older students it is more problematic as studies become more intensive, so they need the extra support. Employee Disability Forum Children with disabilities need Pupil Support Assistants. Reducing the hours of pupil Support Assistants would be devastating and may result in increased anxiety levels and higher absence. Equal opportunities apply here because people with disabilities have the right to fulfil their potential and secure the right to employment. P7 House Captains - Lawthorn Primary • I don’t agree, some pupils need help to be the best they can be and support assistants can boost their mood to learn since the pupils might understand more their ways of explaining make it easier. They help with everything from learning to schools shows.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 23 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION • They help with pupils that need extra learning • They stop children from failing. • They help the kids with disabilities. • Some people need extra help • The playground would be more dangerous. Joint Cabinet Conversation Café • Unable to assists with the 1-1 that they may have worked with for a few years • the pastoral care staff provide to pupils could be removed • It might affect young people that rely on pupil support assistants may have an impact on their learning. • Young people that may have mobility or disabilities that rely on pupil support staff may face the risk of not being able to get to and from classes. • If you remove some pupil support aspects what will we get instead? Because we need that here, like really need it here people wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for it North Ayrshire Youth Executive • Pupil Support Assistants are vital to young people struggling with subjects but more importantly those with ASN or mobility issues. • Without PSA’s pupils health and wellbeing would be affected as teachers won’t have the time do deal with these issues as well as teach. • PSA’s in school often form great relationships with pupils and able to identify when they are struggling or even pick up on additional needs such as dyslexia and ADHD. Pupil Feedback - lots of young people need help and need this - teachers wouldn't have much help - special needs - hectic for teachers who would help in playground? - one teacher can't handle a whole bunch of children - they help so much! North Ayrshire Young Ambassadors “I had a pupil assistant in S1, I struggled with my reading and writing, and she always support me, I’m now a much more confident reader and writer because of her help.” “When I first attended school I was extremely nervous and anxious, my support assistant done so much for me that helped ease in to the environment.” Extra help unavailable due to decrease The pupils mostly understood the roles and responsibilities of pupil’s support staff but the majority have not closely worked with them therefore had no direct need to record that it would be high impact. The 2 pupils who did record highlighted the massive impact that pupil support had on them directly. Highlighting because of the support they received this allowed the teacher to concentrate on most of the class. Low Impact – “There’s more pupil support assistants than teachers” “affect young people’s opportunities2 “might affect exam results due to current help” “Classroom assistants are already not paid enough and some work the hardest
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 24 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION in the school” “If there was no classroom assistants the pupils in our school who need help wouldn’t get the help they need or they would need the teacher more so less time for the rest of the pupils with the teacher” North Ayrshire Champions Board This is a risk for those who need it most, they could potentially fail their exams / It could be traumatizing as this could be your safe person as you have built relationships, if you need the extra support and time is cut you may struggle and begin to withdraw from your class / They help a lot of people with ASN, less time means more people will struggle and their education would be at risk Joint Cabinet and Youth Cabinet Nov 2024 Actively helps students. Additional supports needs help / To support students who need extra help / Probably receive a lot support and assistance many young people and enable them to participate in their education. They are essential for many students to be able to regulate as an independent of many educational student needs Parent Council Chairs • Query raised around whether this proposal would have a negative impact on composite classes by increasing the need for this type of class arrangement. • Query about how the teacher reduction would be achieved in practice. Response given that this would be roll-related reductions, handled through the annual staffing exercise. • Concern about the potentially negative impact a reduction of teachers would have on pupil attainment. • Concern about the impact a reduction in teachers could have particularly on island schools, where ASN provision is already seen as more difficult to access than on the mainland. • Many schools already have a number of composite classes – an appeal for no multi-composite classes through any reduction in teachers. It is already viewed as challenging with existing composite class arrangements. • Concern raised about teacher recruitment and retention on Arran. • Suggestion that the pupil/teacher ratio (PTR) is affected by smaller class sizes in island and rural communities, and that this may be giving a false impression of how healthy the PTR is in reality, by lowering the overall NAC PTS figure. • We need to ensure we are not just focused on poverty – there is also a need to address the challenges of rurality. • Attainment is the priority of the Council. A reduction in teachers will affect attainment. • A reduction in teachers will potentially increase attainment gaps. This proposal will actually make things worse, not better. • There is a significant increase in additional support needs in our schools. Current resource is already stretched. Specialist provisions are already full, so reducing teachers will mean that support is worse for those with ASN. • The requirements of supporting ASN are on the increase. Many children on waiting lists for diagnosis etc. Living with Adverse Childhood experiences, toxic stress and therefore resulting in challenging behaviours. Reduction to teachers and support assistants would mean that the distressed child’s needs would be less well met (as well as the rest of the class). • The increase in ASN is already having a significant impact on PSAs and the level of complexity they are trying to support – concern that it will be worse
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 25 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION if this saving is taken (applies to both the teacher saving and the PSA saving). • PSAs are already overworked and are unable to provide all pupils with support when needed. More pupils particularly in secondary need 1-1 support. PSA roles encompass more than just learning support in class. • Impact of a reduction in teacher numbers on Arran High School is likely to be a narrowing the curriculum. • Arran – suicide rates on the island – makes care and support more challenging for young people. • Reducing teacher numbers is a risk to the breadth of the curriculum across all schools • There has been a massive increase in support needs. Cycle of repeated behaviour. Things are getting worse. This will deteriorate further if we cut staffing levels. • Parents/carers being asked to help with reading groups means schools are already reaching out to the community for support. • People other than teachers are having to step in to support distressed behaviours. • There is an increase in placing requests. Impact of placing requests on staff resource. • Already insufficient resource for ASN in early years. This will be made worse if we reduce the number of teachers / PSAs.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 26 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Review of Provision of Area Inclusion Workers Survey Responses 13. There are 20 Area Inclusion Workers (AIW) (8 in secondary schools and 12 in primary schools). Their role is to develop links between families and schools providing targeted support to pupils to maintain their placement in a mainstream school setting and achieve their full potential. It is proposed the AIW staff in Primary schools is reduced by six and the remaining six AIWs are allocated to primary schools based on identified need. What impact will this have on your community? 14. Have you any additional comments you wish to make on the review of Provision of Area Inclusion Workers and on how you think communities will be impacted? SUMMARY OF RESPONSES: The comments primarily focus on the role of Area Inclusion Workers (AIWs) in supporting vulnerable children and their families, particularly those with complex needs such as anxiety, autism, and ADHD. Respondents said reductions in service would have an impact on students' mental health, school attendance, and overall wellbeing. Many highlighted the role of AIWs in fostering relationships with both children and parents, providing early intervention, and ensuring continuity between primary and secondary education. AIWs are important to ensure attainment, inclusion and support for pupils and families. AIWs play a vital role in supporting children and their families. Building positive relationships and having the child at the centre at all times. Every school needs an area inclusion worker this role is an extremely important one and a vital link between school and struggling families it’s a friendly nonjudgmental port of call for people facing adversity or crisis at low points in their life it's important to involve and support families to remove barriers to education for their children. There are parents
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 27 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION in every school regardless of area or environment that are struggling with challenges that have an impact on their children affecting their education and wellbeing and I do not believe only some schools have this need. AIWs to be allocated based on identified need - this would likely mean children in the north of the authority would miss out. These children may have more affluent post codes but they still have anxiety, mental health issues, troubled families as children down the coast have. The AIWs have been integral in supporting my child through an extremely traumatic time in their life. Had they not been available this would have caused an indeterminate amount of time off of school. We need these supports in place to best support our children AIW work with the most vulnerable in the community, including families. Studies show that Parental Engagement is linked to improving outcomes for children and can be key to supporting the children to achieve their potential. In low income areas, inclusion workers are the key link between pupils and school. At times they are the reason that children show up to school, they create strong links with parents and carers and help in creating a safe space where children can learn and work to their full potential within the school environment. By removing or reducing this within schools we are again failing the pupils within our schools and not allowing them to succeed or thrive. Our island AIW does a fantastic job working with pupils and their families to ensure the best supports are in place to help. Being island based, there is no dependence on the ferries, therefore allowing for a targeted support on the families. The geographic area covered by our AIW is already challenging, but time is shared economically across both primaries and secondary pupils/families. Reducing AIW time or even extending the network of schools for our AIW would impact on the level of service being offered. My son works with an area inclusion worker as he was being physically sick due to nerves about coming to school. His AIW is helping him with strategies to deal with anxiety, which will help him to keep attending school and reach his full potential. My professional experience with area inclusion workers is that they are an invaluable asset to children, families and staff. Without them, it will be increasingly difficult to engage hard to reach families and any hope of raising attainment for these children is lost. Area Inclusion Workers are a vital and integral part of the school team. They are not only there to help young people remain in mainstream education they raise attendance and attainments levels within the school. They provide essential support to pupils experiencing a range of difficulties and offer support to young people and their families who are already struggling. They offer emotional and physical support, helping young people with their mental health who face many barriers. They help the young people and families overcome these barriers, including anxiety, self-regulation, mental health, relationships. They are the link between school and the local community. Reducing this resource in primary schools is not getting it right for every child. The support non- attenders and school refusers and engage parents who have disengaged with education.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 28 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 15. The next question relates to the impact that the proposal will have on people with protected characteristics, people who are care experienced, people who are in certain socio-economic positions and small business owners. Do you think the proposal will have a particular impact on any of the groups below?
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 29 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 16. Please use this space if you wish to provide further information on your answer(s) above. SUMMARY OF RESPONSES: A recurring theme in the responses was that that reducing the number of Area Inclusion Workers will disproportionately disadvantage vulnerable groups, such as children from low-income families, those with disabilities, and those in areas of high deprivation (e.g., SIMD1 and 2). Responses said that AIWs provide critical support for these children, especially during vulnerable transitions such as moving from primary to secondary school. Comments included these services are not just educational but also offer emotional and social support to children facing significant challenges. Neurodivergent children need this resource so badly especially when undiagnosed due to the cuts within CAMHS and waiting times to be diagnosed. Minority groups can find it tough to find their place in mainstream education. People with low incomes will be massively affected by cutting AIWs. They are sometimes their only form of support as everything else has been removed. Reduction in support in this service in highly impoverished area will only further disadvantage the most vulnerable. This would impact on all especially those in areas with an SIMD1 or 2 rating. I have a disabled child who requires support to access education in a school setting. If this support was to disappear to significantly reduce, their ability to attend school and develop lifelong skills would also disappear. This is an investment in the future of our children. AIW predominantly work with people who fall into the categories above. It would have a huge impact on them to cut the support provided. 17. Do you think the proposal is likely to have an effect on any island communities which is significantly different from its effect on other communities (including other island communities) in North Ayrshire?
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 30 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 18. If you answered "yes" to the above question, please use this space to provide further information. SUMMARY OF RESPONSES: There is concern about the disproportionate effect reductions would have in areas like the islands, where resources are already scarce, and other services are not as accessible. The sentiment is that reducing AIWs will only exacerbate existing issues, leaving vulnerable children without the support they need. Island communities are likely to experience less connection to outside resources, therefore it’s important that they still get a fair allocation. The island needs to have an AIW based on the island, the ferry service is not reliable to ensure the level of support is maintained. In addition the ability to respond in an emergency or even in a timely fashion is critical, reducing this provision only adds more restrictions to the service rather than supporting it. Further isolation on an island creating further issues for social anxiety meaning the support of an AIW is even more important. There is very limited services available on the island and to lose the Area inclusion Worker would be limiting children's choices and life chances further. Rural living comes with hugely significant barriers to accessing education. From transitions and distance from home, these children need good relationships where someone can help make their learning environment feel safe which our inclusion officer on Arran is doing an excellent job of providing. Living on the Isle of Arran parents struggle to get support face to face here for any children services there is nearly non available over here and it’s not easy just to take time away from work for a whole day to go to the mainland to access help, having our own inclusion office is a lifeline support for most parents and kids struggling within school. Engagement Group Feedback Redburn Grove Tenants Group “Why are the kids suffering with this Council budget engagement???” All group members felt this proposal should not be considered as it will have a massive impact on the direct education of young people. 3T Community Shed • How would this work? • Is there enough to cover? North Coast Youth Forum Low impact as young people weren’t aware of what they are, nor have they utilised them. Equal Supported Employment - Creative Writing Group Again due to the health conditions experienced within this group, they all felt that the realigning of teaching staff and pupil support was not favourable. They felt that realigning should not be a word used for reduction as everyone in the group has had experience of school or education being a
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 31 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION difficult time in their lives and they felt that an increase in this support was necessary rather than a proposed realignment. A suggestion was made for both the Area Inclusion and for School Support that perhaps there was something that could be done by training peer group or lived experience volunteers to help support those with disabilities – this would give the peer group workers a chance to upskill, wouldn’t cost any additional resources in terms of salaries but would also bring a new approach to those in the community with similar disabilities. Healing Hearts Group Agree with this proposal. Scottish Syrian Roses It was felt this would have a low impact. If a child does not want to learn, the participants felt that the inclusion workers would not be able to make a difference to this attitude/lack of motivation. ASN Friday Night Youth Group Young people were not aware of work done by area inclusion workers nor do the utilise them at the moment therefore not impactful for all young people. Long Covid Group Need this service in schools. Big ESOL class, Syrian, Afghan learners - If these staff go, nobody is monitoring attendance and safety of the children. Garnock Community Campus Umbrella Club Group directed to QR Code survey as ran out of time. She Shed Staff are already struggling in the schools reducing their ours has an impact on the support for children, young people, and families. New Scots Adventure Group The group thought pastoral care was important for lots of young people NAFCO Makes sense in this financial climate that all services are targeted. Does that not currently happen? Transition period can be a really difficult time for kids, from primary to secondary so should be a more fluid approach to enable family work. As with last comment should be needs based. Employee Disability Forum Area Inclusion Workers support Pastoral Care teams in schools by providing advice, assessment and direct intervention to learners with additional support needs and their families. This could affect people with disabilities. P7 House Captains - Lawthorn Primary • It helps us prepare for secondary school • She is someone we know and that we can tell our problems. • She gives support to pupils that are scared or nervous. • I wouldn’t be happy, I go to the illusion worker and she really helps me. • She teaches you about being comfortable in her own skin and how to cope with bullying. • They are a massive help to the pupils that need it the most.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 32 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Joint Cabinet Conversation Café • They provide help for P7 Transition into S1. • The work that these workers do, if they are reduced who does their work that they do fall onto. • If the area inclusion worker gets cut there will be gaps in the school. North Ayrshire Youth Executive • Low impact compared to some of the other proposals. • In some cases this reduction could be catastrophic – some young people may be left behind or go unnoticed. • The nurturing support they provide is really important. • Arran only has one Area Inclusion Worker for all schools any reduction would have a negative effect on the school community. North Ayrshire Young Ambassadors “Our inclusion worker always had a smile on her face, she supported our schools sports teams and always cheered us on.” The pupils had minimum input from Area Inclusion officers which is understandable due to the staff working with a very small group of pupils and also their work not being broadly reported on. The pupils understood the importance however felt it would have no impact on them directly with the exception of 2 pupils that understood the importance due to knowledge of support that a friend’s brother had. North Ayrshire Champions Board This would have a big impact, if they are there to help YP achieve their full potential then how can they do this if there are less? They may not attend school as much without the support / How can you build trusting relationships if there is even less staff / Young people may lose motivation and may struggle without the support / It would depend how many people need the support but some people would struggle with less time/support. Joint Cabinet and Youth Cabinet Nov 2024 Vital Transition support / They support students and help them / They support students and help them / We chose this because children need to have education or opportunities, and this is a top priority for the council because they encourage people to stay in school Parent Council Chairs Would be devastating if AIW was lost to Arran.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 33 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Redesign of Music Service Survey Responses 19. It is proposed to redesign the Music Service to account for reducing school rolls, whilst retaining our commitment to supporting access to instrument tuition. What impact will this have on your community? 20. Have you any additional comments you wish to make on the redesign of the Music Service and on how you think communities would be impacted? SUMMARY OF RESPONSES: Many responses mentioned the importance of music education in North Ayrshire schools and the significant negative impact any reduction in music services would have on students, particularly those from disadvantaged backgrounds. Many respondents said that music provision offers critical benefits beyond musical skills, including improved mental health, enhanced academic performance, social development, and increased confidence. The music service is described as a lifeline for students who may not otherwise have access to music tuition, especially in deprived areas. Some respondents did indicate that if cuts needed to be made, they would prefer to keep AIWs and PSAs. Music services offer tuition to pupils who may not ever get a chance to play instruments due to varying factors. Redesigning services may impact those pupils who already face disadvantage.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 34 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Not as vital as PSAs or teaching staff. Without adequate music tuition we have no future musicians, therefore no cultural opportunities which are the backbone of our civilised society. This is a service that provides children cultural and exposure to the arts and allow children to develop a range of life skills. Music is important for mental health and most kids would not have the opportunity to play an instrument out with school due to the cost of many instruments. Community and the wider school benefit from being able to enjoy hearing the school band playing for entertainment at functions when live music is not available to a lot of people at other times. Children should have a right to access all aspects of education and activities that will benefit their curricular activities. Many families are already pay privately but many talented people can't afford this luxury. Music offers wonderful opportunities to young people and it is well documented how beneficial it is to all areas of their learning. Many families would not have the resources to learn an instrument outside school. Being part of an orchestra, choir or band is an amazing experience for a child and builds confidence and breaks down lots of barriers. Young musicians take part in lots of community events as well. Showcasing their musical talent in school at assembly and church services gives a sense of pride as well. Learning an instrument is a nice thing but in hard times it is a luxury. When I was at school, we had no opportunities to learn an instrument. Whilst music is an essential part of life and I have seen the impressive impact upon children's confidence, talking and listening skills and attention I do not think this will have as much of an impact as removing other services. Music for a number of students is a lifeline to self-esteem and in some cases improve mental health. The other aspect is the social aspect which can come from this, music can be healer in some many ways and in fact reduce burdens on other services such as CAHMs etc. Not all children thrive academically and by introducing music into their curriculum where they may not usually have access to it due to it being an expensive hobby, we are giving pupils an opportunity to thrive in a different curricular area. In succeeding in music this can in turn support a pupil in other academic areas to succeed within the school environment. Children from less privileged backgrounds would be the ones to lose out here.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 35 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 21. The next question relates to the impact that the proposal will have on people with protected characteristics, people who are care experienced, people who are in certain socio-economic positions and small business owners. Do you think the proposal will have a particular impact on any of the groups below?
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 36 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 22. Please use this space if you wish to provide further information on your answer(s) above. SUMMARY OF RESPONSES: The comments show concern about a potential negative impact of reducing music services in schools, particularly for children from low-income or disadvantaged backgrounds. Many responses referenced the importance of universal access to music education, with many expressing that it provides opportunities for mental health benefits and skill development that may not be available through private tuition due to financial constraints. A number of responses said that removing or limiting music provision would exacerbate social inequality, creating a divide where only affluent families can afford private lessons. Young people from deprived backgrounds cannot afford music lessons but I would value a high quality teacher workforce, over young people having the opportunity to play a musical instrument. Low income families have bigger priorities than paying for music tuition and if it’s harder to access it their children may miss out. People with low income cannot provide opportunities for their children to learn musical instruments. The schools is their only chance to develop potential talent. For many who have protected characteristics these council services are a lifeline. Parents from more deprived backgrounds are not able to afford private music tuition, so cutting this service would disproportionally affect poorer people. Music provides a platform where all are equal and provides an opportunity for young people to express themselves and allow themselves to be who they are. The Music service provides an equitable approach in its teaching and ensemble experience which is accessible and free to pupils. Without this, only those that can afford to learn instrumental music would be able to pursue and experience this. The most vulnerable in our society would yet again miss out on this potentially life changing experience.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 37 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 23. Do you think the proposal is likely to have an effect on any island communities which is significantly different from its effect on other communities (including other island communities) in North Ayrshire? 24. If you answered "yes" to the above question, please use this space to provide further information. SUMMARY OF RESPONSES: A recurring theme in the responses was the lack of alternative resources and opportunities for music tuition on Arran compared to the mainland. Concerns were raised about potential reductions disproportionately impacting these isolated communities due to logistical difficulties, limited access to private tutors, and fewer extracurricular options. Many responses said that reducing music services on Arran would exacerbate existing inequalities and called for equity for all students, especially in remote communities. Music on Arran is at the heart of the community and the young people keep this alive. Music provision at school is an essential part of this. Little music provision is available on the islands at the moment. Further cuts would reduce this further which will impact children's education. It’s hard to 'share' teachers effectively due to island location - and hard for pupils to get to other private teachers if that became necessary At the moment tutors travel to the island weekly, this is vital as no other options for musical tuition on Arran. Perhaps some of these funds could be allocated to the Isle of Arran so a better Music Service could be provided on the island rather than parents having to fund it. This is not fair on those in low incomes.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 38 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Engagement Group Feedback Redburn Grove Tenants Group The Redburn Grove members felt this proposal should not be on the table for discussion as it will have a massive impact on the direct education of young people. Redburn Grove Tenants Group Why are the kids suffering with this Council budget engagement??? All group members felt this proposal should not be considered as it will have a massive impact on the direct education of young people. 3T Community Shed • “You would be taking away arts-based activities and learning opportunities.” • “This is often used as a calming measure for young people.” • “Is this cut worth saving on?” • “Is it going to help us save enough money?” • “NA Orchestra – will it survive?” North Coast Youth Forum No money for music equipment upkeep and at the moment some of the instruments are not fit for use and needs replaced. Some young people use this as a safe space to be themselves and do what they enjoy (making music), free music lessons. Many young people utilise these free lessons, as it opens opportunities they would not otherwise have as music is an expensive hobby. If young people have picked music as a subject, they will be taking an exam for, they feel in order to pass the practical aspect of exam you need to spend time out of class practicing for this – which currently runs in the music department where young people can use instruments with a teacher to support and help with any issues. Scottish Syrian Roses Two participants indicated that this would have a low impact. The majority said they were not particularly interested in music and for some they felt music instruction was in opposition to their religious practices. ASN Friday Night Youth Group Young people voiced that they enjoy music within school but don’t feel like this is something they continue after they have left school therefore there isn’t too much of an impact, For others they felt it is very beneficial especially young people with profound additional support needs as some may communicate through music and sounds learnt within music. Kilbirnie Residents - Syrian & Ukrainian New Scots Women Participants stated their children prefer P.E. to music. Garnock Community Campus Umbrella Club Group directed to QR Code survey as ran out of time New Scots Adventure Group • Some of the group had not been offered any music at school and that was why they put no impact. However, they stated they would have liked to have the opportunity to undertake music. While some said ‘low impact’ they stated that this because they themselves were not musical but thought it was important for young people to have access to music classes. • Several of the group stated that music services in North Ayrshire did not compare favourably with provision and opportunities in their home countries and wondered why it was not regarded as highly
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 39 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION NAFCO Hard to comment on this statement What is important that those on low income due not suffer and get access to this important equipment and instruments as well as those who can afford to pay. North Ayrshire competes at high levels across a range of music instruments and types this should be valued we have produced and supported talented individuals we are proud and celebrate this ESOL Class, Ukrainian/Russian speakers Music in primary school should be increased, not reduced. We need to increase interest in hobbies and the arts amongst young children so that they have the capacity to pursue such activities independently when they are older. As they get older the support could be reduced. It would be beneficial to have arts activities (music, art, dance, drama) available in primary schools, even if there was a fee. Employee Disability Forum Will affect both disabled / nondisabled equally. P7 House Captains - Lawthorn Primary • It’s not fair – it takes away opportunities for music from people that want to explore it. Joint Cabinet Conversation Café • “Less learning time.” • “Impacts if you want to do music as a career.” • “Extra circular work is cut.” • “Impacts teachers as well and adds stress due to having to put more time in different areas - Already been a cut in this and it impacted teachers mental health.” • “None of us play instruments so it won’t have a massive impact on us.” North Ayrshire Youth Executive • Good that tuition is being kept. • Some young people have preferences of teachers with some being better instrument tutors than others. • Redesign may reduce uptake of music as an option. • Arran – Music tuition mostly provided by other organisations and the community so will have little effect on Arran. North Ayrshire Young Ambassadors The pupils struggled to answer this due to having no knowledge of present Music Service offering so felt best not to answer. North Ayrshire Champions Board Low impact as it doesn’t affect everyone. Maybe you could do this in a group for each musical piece rather than 1-1’s / It doesn’t affect everyone but this may completely ruin someone’s confidence if this change happens but I do think it is a good saving and it could be done in other ways / If you really want to learn you wouldn’t mind paying, this might be a good saving as some people are only doing It as a hobby rather than wanting a career in this so it could be a waste of money that they give up in a few years. Joint Cabinet and Youth Cabinet Nov 2024 Help people do music / Some kids not encouraged to pursue musical skills and articulates with fewer pursuits. So I believe that encouraging this will make them believe in themselves and their talents.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 40 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Review of Campus Police Officer Arrangements Survey Responses 25. There are currently eight campus police officers in operation across North Ayrshire's mainland secondary schools. This initiative is funded 50% by North Ayrshire Council and 50% by Police Scotland. The total cost of the arrangement is approximately £380,000 annually, with the Council funding approximately £190,000. This proposal invites schools to use alternative funding streams (e.g. Pupil Equity Funding) to match-fund the Council contribution if they wish to continue with this service in recognition of the value they get locally, so going forward the Council would fund 25% of the total costs and schools would fund 25%. What impact will this have on your community? 26. Have you any additional comments you wish to make on the review of Campus Police Officer arrangements and on how you think communities would be impacted? SUMMARY OF RESPONSES: Opinion differed greatly with a range of views expressed in the survey. Many responses praised the role of campus police in ensuring safety amid issues like bullying, violence, drug use, and mental health challenges. They said that the presence of officers provides security and fosters a safer environment for students and staff. However, others questioned the effectiveness of the campus police scheme and raised concerns about diverting school funds, especially PEF (Pupil Equity Fund), from educational purposes to cover policing costs. Campus officers are needed in schools due to the increase in negative behaviours. Cutting these will impact on pupil behaviours.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 41 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Pupil equity funding for schools should be used within the school determined by the head teacher to support the education and wellbeing of the children including initiatives and resources to raise attainment not towards community policing. Using PEF for this provision will take PEF away from other vital resources. Campus police officers provide a vital link with young people and in reducing crime. The campus police officers do a worthwhile job to support schools and offering a link to the police in the community. I think paying for this with PEF is a good use of the money. Schools would lose other valuable services if they have to use their PEF allocation to fund this. This resource should be funded by the council and Police Scotland and leave PEF allocations for additional services that will support pupils and help to raise Attainment I strongly support the proposal to require schools to contribute to the funding of campus police officers. This shared responsibility not only promotes a sense of ownership but also ensures the program's long-term sustainability. Additionally, it empowers schools to tailor the service to their specific needs, enhancing their control over campus security To use PEF money on this would be taking that funding away from elsewhere. That is ludicrous. Campus police officers provide safety in our schools. was assaulted in a north Ayrshire school a few years ago and it was the campus cop who ensured this was dealt with. They also provide a valuable service with things like stopping the traffic on a busy and dangerous road for children to walk to local outdoor learning spots. Not to mention building positive relationships between children and families and the police force. This can only be seen as beneficial. I think this has been a very good project in schools and has helped with truancy, antisocial behaviour and bullying. Police should have a presence but through their police officer roles and not at the expense of additional school funding. This is a service that could be reduced or cut. Campus police officers are another amazing resource, linking primary to secondary. Using PEF to pay for them seems unfair on schools that already have diminishing budgets. The Campus police is at front edge of helping and supporting young people away from crime and danger in the community. This would be so counterproductive and could cost much more to the community, not just financially. This will have the effect of forcing schools to choose between funding support for young people from low income families/ areas of high deprivation & additional support needs in education or putting that funding into the policing who are likely to come into contact with some of the same members of the school population. Cutting one will cause more issues for the other. Cutting both with almost certainly cause knock on impacts on communities and already strained families with the highest support needs.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 42 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 27. The next question relates to the impact that the proposal will have on people with protected characteristics, people who are care experienced, people who are in certain socio-economic positions and small business owners. Do you think the proposal will have a particular impact on any of the groups below?
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 43 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 28. Please use this space if you wish to provide further information on your answer(s) above. SUMMARY OF RESPONSES: Many people felt that people with specific characteristics may be liable to face bullying at school and therefore would be adversely affected by changes to the way the service is delivered. A number of responses highlighted the importance of campus police in ensuring safety, addressing antisocial behaviour, and supporting vulnerable groups, including those at risk of bullying and discrimination. The potential reduction or redistribution of funding is viewed by some as disproportionately impacting deprived areas, where such support is deemed most essential. Concerns were also raised about shifting funding responsibilities onto schools, particularly from PEF budgets, which are intended to address educational attainment gaps. Campus cops provide an essential link between schools, children and the police. They resolve disputes and work with families on many issues. These issues are of course more prevalent where there is poverty. The campus cop is invaluable and again cutting the funding would create an imbalance between the more affluent and most deprived areas. Young people need a sense of actions and causality. Police presence helps to not only provide a safe adult to go to when help is needed but also provides reassurance for local businesses who have large numbers of young people attending at once. This affects everyone in the community! More police in and around schools. These groups are more likely to experience hate crimes and this can be dealt with more effectively in school with the assistance of campus police officers. Affects all groups, children and young people l, staff, school pastoral support and management teams. This also has potential to detrimentally affect the wider community. 29. Do you think the proposal is likely to have an effect on any island communities which is significantly different from its effect on other communities (including other island communities) in North Ayrshire?
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 44 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 30. If you answered "yes" to the above question, please use this space to provide further information. SUMMARY OF RESPONSES: The limited number of responses received indicated that this was not an issue on island communities which do not have campus police officers. Possibly a less needed service on the islands. Same issues as mainland. Smaller community with fewer issues. Engagement Group Feedback Redburn Grove Tenants Group “Why are the kids suffering with this Council budget engagement???” All group members felt this proposal should not be considered as it will have a massive impact on the direct education of young people. 3T Community Shed • Remove officers and give teachers more power to deal with challenging behaviour and work with young people • Are there other deterrents that can be used instead of officers? North Coast Youth Forum No impact as young people feel current ‘Campus Cop’ has not been helpful/supportive in past situations, nor are they currently front facing. A few PSA talks - but nothing they felt were extremely helpful or anything a teacher could not discuss. Escort other schools away - stop school fights. School would be chaos without police officer. LGBT young people felt nothing was done after a hate crime incident within the school. North Ayrshire Sports Academy “I do not need to deal with him” Healing Hearts Group Agree with the campus cops being kept and the school should pay for them. Scottish Syrian Roses Feedback on impact: This would have a high impact as without the school police officer, staff would require additional training. Staff are not currently allowed to get physically involved. There should in fact be more police than the current number as there is not sufficient control. Project Art Can schools not use money from proceeds of crime? How valuable are the campus police? From hearing from pupils they do not seem to do anything that is worth this amount of money Long Covid Group Campus cop can intervene in a way that teaching staff can’t. Pupils feel more secure and somebody else to go to.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 45 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Don’t think Council should pay, should be Police Scotland or another source e.g. government. Big ESOL class, Syrian, Afghan learners - Police liaison help to sort out problems to have more safety in the community and for their children. - It will be good for parents to know their children are safe. Garnock Community Campus Umbrella Club group directed to QR Code survey as ran out of time New Scots Adventure Group • 2 of the group had a police officer on campus at their school and valued their presence. • Other members of the group were unaware of campus police and admitted that negative experiences with authority in other countries had influenced their decision on ‘no impact’ NAFCO This is difficult to comment on as unsure what pupil Equity fund projects and services would be lost by schools having to find this fund, as all schools do it differently. The campus police are a great asset. Employee Disability Forum Generally, kids with disabilities at school tend to get picked on more than other pupils and having a campus police officer can help to prevent escalation, giving parents of children with disabilities peace of mind. Teachers may struggle to deal with these situations that may normally be dealt with by campus officers. Can see potential for impact if service was affected. If school was to use PEF, then what other services would suffer? Joint Cabinet Conversation Café • Effects antisocial behaviours • Arran- feel like we should get a Campus Cop • If the schools want a CP they should try and afford it themselves • There is no possible way to have a CP the school money should not get taken out of the budget. North Ayrshire Youth Executive • PEF funding – Already supports other things in schools – youth workers etc • Arran – No impact as don’t have a campus officer • Little impact on pupils. • Group believe campus officers aren’t required to be based within schools and would be more effective visiting to deliver topical information sessions. We also believe campus officers time is taken up dealing with the same individuals regularly and don’t engage with the wider school community. North Ayrshire Young Ambassadors “Our campus cop poulter is very friendly and supportive, he always makes you feel safe and has been a person of comfort when needing someone to speak to about a concern you have.” “Poulter always takes the time to check in on you and have a chat, he always around the school supportive the staff with misbehaviour at the school.” “He always gives good advice and keeps you aware of laws.” “Very friendly guy always takes the time to speak to you and very supportive if you have any questions to ask him.” “It’s safe knowing he is in the school as I have a direct contact in the
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 46 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION police I can go to if something worries me in the school.” Again the pupils had not a massive experience of the interaction with Campus Police at the school but did felt re assured of their presence in the school. “trust PC Duffy” “feel protected” North Ayrshire Champions Board High Impact, our school needs it but we don’t think that it should come out of our school budget, this could then have an effect on our extra activities, trips or school resources / I wouldn’t mind it coming out of the school budget as I think we need it / We need our budget for things like supplies, we may get less opportunities if this comes out of our budget / It might be a benefit as we do need the officers, but I don’t think it should come our budget as it means less opportunities or learning resources for the pupils. Joint Cabinet and Youth Cabinet Nov 2024 Noone likes them / The amount of school fights happening recently is very concerning and taking away the only precaution away. Will cause chaos due to not having more implacable consequences / Built relationships with students. Important to have an authoritative figure
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 47 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Review of School Crossing Patrollers Survey Responses 31. The School Crossing Patrol budget of £250,699 supports 48 posts providing a school crossing service at locations throughout North Ayrshire. This is a non-statutory service and the proposal is therefore to remove this service. What impact will this have on your community? 32. Have you any additional comments you wish to make on the review of School Crossing Patrollers and on how you think communities would be impacted? SUMMARY OF RESPONSES: The responses focused largely on the potential impact removing this service would have on children's safety. They felt that school crossing patrollers were vital in protecting young people, particularly in areas with heavy or fast-moving traffic, and highlighted the risk of accidents or fatalities if these services are discontinued. Many respondents said that removing patrollers could lead to more parents driving their children to school, worsening traffic congestion and creating additional environmental issues. Many responses called for alternative safety measures, such as zebra crossings or traffic lights, to be introduced if the service was removed. Crossing patrollers help to keep our children safe and are an essential role in our communities. It’s appalling to remove them and put our children at increased risk. Pupil safety should never be placed at risk. Working parents rely on their children getting to school safely if they are not able to accompany them.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 48 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION The sheer volume of traffic requires a responsible single person to safely cross young children. To remove this service would create a very dangerous situation putting children’s lives at risk. Could a volunteer programme be put in place as an alternative. If you take this away surely a review should be done to ensure that there are safe crossing options for students. If there is not adequate crossing places then zebra crossings or traffic lights could be put in place. Whilst I don’t think we need quite as many patrollers in some areas, I think it is shocking to remove a service which ensures the safety of children walking to school themselves. This will just increase the number of parents driving their children to school and increase the carbon footprint again. As long as there is a designated safe crossing then I don't feel like they are needed. Could parent councils etc volunteer to man crossings. Closing the School Crossing Patrol is a difficult decision, but it's important to consider the financial burden it places on the Council. By closing the service, we can redirect resources to other essential services. Additionally, this could encourage parents to take more responsibility for their children's safety, and the Council can explore alternative traffic management measures to ensure pedestrian safety. I think this is a priority service. Cuts to school transport and fitness initiatives have made this service more important than in the past. In order for my child to walk safely to and from school they require the crossing patroller to help them. Without this provision my child cannot walk to school safely on their own, and as a disabled parent, this puts pressure on me to ensure I am fit enough to take my child to school, which is not always the case due to disability. My children will no longer be able to walk to school. They have to cross a busy road and they need the crossing patroller to allow this to happen safely. I would have to drive them to and from school each day if there was no lollipop person there. I can almost guarantee a child will be killed if you go through with this. There is no way this can be even a consideration. To remove this is to make it incredibly unsafe for children to walk to school. With all the initiatives to walk to school why then would the council remove this provision. The community is already unsafe to allow children to walk to school never taking more provisions away to make it even more unsafe. This will therefore force parents or caregivers to drive their children to school therefore more traffic on the roads and making it even more dangerous/unsafe for children to walk to school as there is a higher risk of an accident happening. School crossing patrols are an essential community service. With increasing numbers of cars in certain areas, school children are at risk. Some areas of North Ayrshire have a continuous stream of large family homes being built with no provision for the increase in vehicles or dangerous crossing routes to schools.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 50 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 34. Please use this space if you wish to provide further information on your answer(s) above. SUMMARY OF RESPONSES: The comments express concern about the potential impact of removing school crossing patrollers in North Ayrshire. Many highlight that the patrollers are crucial for ensuring the safety of children, especially in areas with busy roads or high traffic, and are particularly important for younger children and those with disabilities. This will affect every parent in North Ayrshire. And you are going to have a lot of angry parents even more so when their kids are hit and killed by the copious amount of bad drivers in this town. Children crossing busy roads at peak time could be very dangerous. This compromises the safety of children and even more so children with learning disabilities. Children and kids with disabilities will obviously be less safe when crossing the road. This proposal will directly impact the safety of local children. At the very least do a review of the existing crossing patrols. It would be madness to remove entirely. 35. Do you think the proposal is likely to have an effect on any island communities which is significantly different from its effect on other communities (including other island communities) in North Ayrshire? 36. If you answered "yes" to the above question, please use this space to provide further information. SUMMARY OF RESPONSES: Responses highlighted that will school crossing patrollers are common on Arran or Cumbrae, islands communities face a different set of challenges and that roads remain dangerous regardless of location.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 51 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Children on an island still need to cross the road. This will impact every school that has a crossing officer. Children walking from for example the train stations/ferry terminals/ bus stops to the school grounds are more at risk due to the increased distance to walk. It is parents responsibility to teach road awareness however it would be foolish to assume that is enough to safeguard our precious young people when traffic is at one of its busiest times. Children on Arran are subject to the same dangers as children anywhere. Engagement Group Feedback Redburn Grove Tenants Group “Why are the kids suffering with this Council budget engagement???” All group members felt this proposal should not be considered as it will have a massive impact on the direct education of young people. 3T Community Shed • Why can’t the campus cop not do school crossings in the morning and afternoon? • Increase speed bumps and traffic crossings if so • Should not consider North Coast Youth Forum Older pupils feel this is not needed and if possible, for it to be distributed through Primary Schools rather than for older pupils. Older young people feel it can be slightly patronising as they are confident enough with road safety. North Ayrshire Sports Academy • “Great Relationship with her” Healing Hearts Group This should be kept. Scottish Syrian Roses This would have a high impact on primary school children as they are not aware and ten to jump out onto the roads without looking. By p5/6 they have more awareness but younger than this they are too busy playing to notice traffic. Older Peoples Network Just ridiculous. ASN Friday Night Youth Group Young people feel this is utilised by younger people but not by them at the moment therefore this is of less impact. Big ESOL class Ukrainian table • There are no pedestrian crossings near St. Peter's School, which is seen as a bad idea to have no crossing patrollers (lollipop women/men) • While some believe this is a needed service, others thought that volunteers could fulfil this role. • Some attendees mentioned that pedestrian crossing services did not exist in their country of origin (Ukraine). • They believe there should be crossing patrollers in areas without pedestrian crossings and emphasised that children should be taught how to cross the road, along with implementing preventative measures. Long Covid Group “No to this - kids will get knocked down.”
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 52 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION “Drivers don’t always stop” “Horrified that they would cut this service.” “Don’t want to cut jobs.” Kilbirnie Residents - Syrian & Ukrainian New Scots Women Four indicated that their children are driven to and from school. Another participant stated that if zebra crossings were installed, this would be no issue. Big ESOL class, Syrian, Afghan learners - It will affect the safety of children at primary and secondary. Garnock Community Campus Umbrella Club Group directed to QR Code survey as ran out of time Introduction to water colour N/A She Shed Reviewing the school patrollers hours could increase the risk and danger to children walking to school. Newtown Men’s Shed This is shocking. Cannot believe this is even a consideration! Surely this is not in the best interests of anyone in the community. Absolutely not a chance this should go ahead. Harbourside Men’s Shed This idea is absolutely abhorrent and should not even be given consideration. Young people will be killed. Drivers are rushing around in the morning, children don’t have any concept of road safety, unfortunately not all children have a parent or carer taking them to school. We would urge NAC to reconsider this proposal. It is unthinkable. Imagine a child is killed. The impact this will have on the whole community is devasting. Please do not do this. New Scots Adventure Group • The majority of the group felt that school crossing patrollers were important for the safety of young children Online Consultation - Ukrainian • One participant disagreed with the proposal. • One suggested that this role be filled on a volunteer basis. • Three agreed with one stating, ‘Yes, it is a good idea, we should be more responsible for our children on the road not a government.’ NAFCO There are issues where there are no crossing patrols at the moment Just takes one accident to realise the importance Loss of 48, part-time low hours, low paid jobs Reduce the number of kids walking to school, so counterproductive with other targets, Increase cars around schools, and traffic generally omissions etc. Reduce active travel Reduce the independence of kids going to school on their own Impact on working parents, without that level of security of kids making their own way Increase of accidents. Might be non- statutory, but morally should be in place, NAC keep kids safe. ESOL Class, Ukrainian/Russian speakers All five participants thought this was a good idea. Employee Disability Forum Bad idea – we would be compromising the safety of pupils particularly at primary school age. From a disability
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 53 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION perspective having a School Crossing Patroller (SCP) is a visual marker, and a safety net, and encourages independence when the child knows the SCP is there. Perhaps look at accident figures of locations where SCP was removed? There is a risk element at places where no pedestrian crossings are available. P7 House Captains - Lawthorn Primary They are needed for safety • Lots of children walk to school themselves and could get hurt! • People will get run over. • Health and safety for children is important. • It will make walking to and from school dangerous. Older Peoples Voice Network (Irvine) This is gambling with the lives of innocent children. North Ayrshire Council have a duty of care to the children in their community. If anything, more crossing patrollers should be introduced, not less! Joint Cabinet Conversation Café • More kids are going to be knocked down, There's already been 4 young people knocked down this year, there will be injuries. • There will have to be zebra crossings put in place. • Its unsafe. • Lockhart- need a lolly pop men are making it easier to give children a bit of independence • Lockhart- more schools are at risk of more children being hit by cars outside school settings North Ayrshire Youth Executive • Affect parents work schedules if now have to ensure children travel safely to schools. • Affects young people’s independence. • More chance of accidents without safe crossings, most of our group have witnessed incidents outside our schools. • With lack of adult supervision young people may start acting up and show off in front of their friends and play ‘chicken’ with the traffic. • Some young people believed a reduction would have low impact as they don’t see School Crossing Patrollers in their local area. Pupil Feedback - roads are busy so safety is an issue - younger children tend to play and run around - the patrollers really help North Ayrshire Young Ambassadors “My little sister’s school is next to busy street on the road, I couldn’t imagine her trying to cross without the lolly pop lady!” “Me and my friend always use to say hi to our lolly pop man on the way to school, he always made sure we were safe and stopped the traffic to let us cross.” Pupils felt personally for themselves this would have a very low impact but understood the importance for younger children in
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 54 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION areas where crossing is a major issue. No impact – “There’s none in Greenwood as it is.” No Impact – “We use crossing [lights] instead” “like my lollipop lady” “keeps me safe” “increases possible accidents” North Ayrshire Champions Board This is dangerous to stop this and there will probably be more accidents. I think they need them to continue in secondary and Primary, especially the ones on busy roads / How would Primary kids learn to cross the road safely, there may be a lot more accidents / I really don’t agree with this / Maybe you could make sure they are on the school’s that are on busy roads / More likely for accidents to happen. Most times people just run across the road and hope they don’t get hit and this would be worse without their staff. Maybe you could remove from Secondary and keep them for Primary. Joint Cabinet and Youth Cabinet Nov 2024 Traffic lights exist / There are many cheaper option of having safe crossing points for example; zebra crossing and volunteering helpers and decreasing the speed limit. Parent Council Chairs We have a moral obligation if not a statutory one to provide these. Removing this service is not worth the effort. It is a disaster waiting to happen. If this was to be considered, there would need to be a plan to replace SXPs with new crossings (e.g. zebra, pelican). Combination of reduction of campus officers and SXPs should be taken into account. We don’t want the worst to happen before something is done.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 55 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Cleaning Reduction in School/Early Years Centres Survey Responses 37. It is proposed to reduce school and early years cleaning budgets by 10%. An assessment will be carried out and then benchmarked with other local authorities taking account of equipment used and building layouts. The service would work with school / early years communities to build on positive behaviours in educational establishments to reduce required cleaning. What impact will this have on your community? 38. Have you any additional comments you wish to make on Cleaning reduction in School/Early Years and on how you think communities will be impacted? SUMMARY OF RESPONSES: The comments emphasise the importance of maintaining high standards of cleanliness and hygiene in schools, particularly in light of the COVID-19 pandemic. Many respondents expressed concern that reducing cleaning services will lead to higher infection rates among both children and staff, resulting in increased absenteeism and potentially more severe health risks. The recuring themes in the responses focus on the need for schools to remain clean to safeguard health, improve attendance, and create a positive learning environment. Schools at the moment are not cleaned properly. Reducing this would result in our kids being taught in a dirty environment which is unacceptable. Cleaning is a necessary requirement in this environment and a highly challenging job. To reduce this service would put additional pressure on an already challenged staff. My children and constantly unwell and miss education due to colds, coughs and bugs. Cutting the cleaning budget will only make this worse.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 56 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION School environments - many - are not cleaned appropriately as it is. The standards in wish people are expected to work, teach and learn in are appalling. I want my child and their staff to work and learn in clean, efficient, safe environments. Less money ultimately means less staff which means less time and resources to clean. It's not realistic to expect the same standards and extent of cleaning to be done on a lesser budget. Given the covid epidemic and other communicable diseases being rife among children, I feel like cuts to cleaning would be a bad idea and could lead to more absences through illness for pupils and staff alike. This could incur higher costs in the long run. I don't feel like it is up to teaching staff to try and encourage positive behaviours, especially if the number of teachers are cut. I fully support this proposal, implementing strategies to reduce cleaning requirements, such as involving the school community in maintaining cleanliness, we can maintain a healthy and safe learning environment while also saving money. This is another proposal I would support. It is only a small drop and would not have much impact on staff. Cleaning helps to control infections from spreading and ensure the environments are inviting for the children to learn. If we cut back on other staff in schools and early years, how is anybody else going to pick that reduction up. I don’t think this will have a massive impact but what I will say is that this is a slippery slope. What you don’t want is unclean ELC’s and schools and children becoming sick and ill and then passing it on to parents who then bring it into work and then the doctors surgeries are overrun and so on. Cleaning staff are important.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 58 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 40. Please use this space if you wish to provide further information on your answer(s) above. SUMMARY OF RESPONSES: Much of the focus of the survey comments was on perceived health risks for young people with disabilities or compromised immune systems. Many responses said that reducing cleaning would exacerbate the spread of infections, leading to increased absenteeism and potentially worsening health outcomes. Additionally, some comments suggested there may be a disproportionate impact on disadvantaged groups, such as those in low-income areas or with special educational needs, who may have less access to hygiene resources at home. Children and in particular disabled children would be put at risk by reducing school hygiene standards. Those children who have complex heath needs or are immunocompromised are likely to feel a greater impact, as well as those with family members with those needs. Again, workforce is predominantly female & working around care responsibilities. These groups would be impacted.in different ways, younger children will pick up more germs/viruses creating more absences. Care experienced, and those living in areas of deprivation - may not have the same facilities to ensure upmost cleanliness in this will again impact on attendance and/or attainment creating a widening attainment gap. Disabilities - with many children and adults( also the staff/ caregivers/transport personnel) with disabilities having weakened immune systems the minimising of cleaning will create a two tier system in those who have better immune systems being able.to attend more and therefore have the opportunity to attain better. Poverty areas are always worst affected by poor health. Reduction in hygiene cleaning areas will have very negative effect on these vulnerable people. Children and young people and staff with reduced immunity will be placed at increased risk from this proposal. 41. Do you think the proposal is likely to have an effect on any island communities which is significantly different from its effect on other communities (including other island communities) in North Ayrshire?
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 59 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 42. If you answered "yes" to the above question, please use this space to provide further information. SUMMARY OF RESPONSES: The comments highlight concerns that island communities will face similar challenges to mainland schools, with the added difficulties of limited resources and weaker transport infrastructure. The responses emphasised that cleanliness is essential in all schools to prevent the spread of germs and to maintain a clean and safe learning environment equally to both island and mainland schools. Every child has the right to a clean and tidy environment at school. Absolutely applies to all areas. This will affect every child. Island children and staff are affected too. It will have an effect on every community. This applies to both island and mainland schools. There does not seem to be enough cleaning service provided as it is on island schools without impacting this further. The cleaning staff struggle to get everything completed as it is so further cuts would make this impossible. All the germs that are spread amongst children it is very important for more cleaning to be provided not less. Engagement Group Feedback Redburn Grove Tenants Group “Why are the kids suffering with this Council budget engagement???” All group members felt this cut should not be considered as it will have a massive impact on the direct education of young people. North Coast Youth Forum All young people agree that currently this is very well utilised and would feel a massive difference if this were to be lessened. Workload is already high for cleaning staff. Certain areas of the school can become very dirty, and this would only become worse which could cause a deterrent in young people attending school. Healing Hearts Group Don’t think this is right - should not reduce. Need to keep schools clean. Need more cleaning hours not less. Scottish Syrian Roses If you reduce cleaning, then you increase the risk of further pandemics like Covid-19. More bacteria leads to more infections. There should be more, not less cleaning. Older Peoples Network Feedback on impact: just recovering from pandemic, covid is still about and this seems like a bad idea.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 60 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION ASN Friday Night Youth Group Most young people agreed this service is needed and would struggle is reduced as sometimes schools may feel unclean at the moment, therefore this would be of high impact to most. Long Covid Group Source better machinery, cheaper materials but not cutting back on cleanliness. Kilbirnie Residents - Syrian & Ukrainian New Scots Women One participant stated that as there are a lot of children and resulting mess, cleaning is needed and so this would have an impact. Big ESOL class, Syrian, Afghan learners - Hygiene of the service, the place, the children. Garnock Community Campus Umbrella Club group directed to QR Code survey as ran out of time She Shed The reduction of cleaning will impact the shole school, concerned about the pressure this will have on existing staff roles in schools. Newtown Men’s Shed Similar to suggestion number 20, this is ridiculous. Harbourside Men’s Shed This is a ridiculous idea. New Scots Adventure Group • ‘schools need to get cleaned or they’ll be dirtier than they are now’ Online Consultation - Ukrainian • Two participants were against the proposal with one expressing concern that schools are not always maintained at the cleanliness level expected of an educational institution. • One fully supports it while another agrees to a 5% reduction. • Another participant stated that the proposal could be implemented if schools can ensure cleanliness while children are present. However, they warned that unclean schools could lead to illness. NAFCO If done as described in a measured and appropriate way, then impact should be low Encouraging kids and staff to be more mindful, of environment is not a bad thing, but does this mean again that low paid staff with part-time contracts could lose jobs ? ESOL Class, Ukrainian/Russian speakers This is a big problem as some children are allergic to dust. It would not be a problem if children were taught to clean up. Children spend the majority of their time there so they need to be in clean environment. Employee Disability Forum In cases where a child is immunocompromised, reducing cleaning budgets in schools could be detrimental to their health, there could be a slight increased risk for some pupils who have a disability. P7 House Captains - Lawthorn Primary • The school could be cleaner, the carpets don’t get hoovered already and our classroom assistant already has to clean the toilets. • The gym hall never gets cleaner and we have to sit on the dirty floors every week for assembly. • Getting pupils to clean will take time out of teaching. • The toilets are already manky! • We know this isn’t just our school, having a clean school is important Joint Cabinet Conversation Café • Sicknesses would spread. • Spills on stairs, Slipping risk. • Schools are already disgusting right now it would be a dump. • Its going to bring down the perception of schools for new kids. • Schools will start to fall apart. • Its already cleaned regular and it’s still dirty. • Is a danger to have a messy school, young people can face being hurt. • Make the school a horrible place to be.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 61 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION • Will affect learning time and class time for YP, due to them having to take the responsibility of cleaning the school. • Cleaners would lose their jobs. North Ayrshire Youth Executive • 10% is low and fine if not affecting cleaning staff numbers. • We believe that building positive behaviours in primary schools would be easier than secondaries. Everyone should have the responsibility to clean up after themselves. Pupil Feedback - might do less creative activities - some people aren't very tidy - mess would pile up North Ayrshire Young Ambassadors “Our school is a very old building that requires a lot of maintenance and cleaning, it would be a big impact to our learning experience if the school condition was to worsen.” “Our cleaning lady always does an amazing job at our school, if the school is a mess when we finish, it is always spotless when we return!” The pupils felt any significant reduction to services in this area would affect them greatly. They really enjoy having the school cleaned at its present level and feel that without a clean school it would not be as appealing. Some pupils also highlighted the importance of the jobs due to some family members being employed in this area. High Impact - “Need more cleaning, not less” High impact – “It’s already bad as it is”. North Ayrshire Champions Board - I think this is a good idea to promote cleaning up our own schools but I think it would work better in Primary as the school toilets are terrible as it is with cleaners never mind a reduction. - I don’t like this as I already feel like we need more janitors, the toilets are so bad and I think this would work better for Primary. - The school would be a mess without the cleaners and I don’t think this would work for secondary but I think it would for Primary. Joint Cabinet and Youth Cabinet Nov 2024 Schools are disgusting / It’s not nice to sit in an unclean room / The school is in North Ayrshire, so already have to maintain hygiene use and taking this service away could implement in every unhygienic equipment for young people Parent Council Chairs This is a bad idea. The standard of cleaning in our schools is already poor. Parent Councils have offered to volunteer to clean areas of the school. We shouldn’t have to do that.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 62 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Review of Educational Psychology Service Survey Responses 43. It is proposed that a review of the Educational Psychology Service is undertaken. Estimated savings equate to £64,000. What impact will this have on your community? 44. Have you any additional comments you wish to make on the review of Educational Psychology Service and on how you think communities will be impacted? SUMMARY OF RESPONSES: Many responses highlighted concerns about the potential reduction of educational psychology services, especially in light of the mental health crisis and increased need for support for neurodiverse children and those with Additional Support Needs (ASN). Respondents said that educational psychologists play a vital role in addressing the mental health and behavioural challenges of students, supporting both children and school staff. Many comments expressed worry over long waiting times for mental health support and the already stretched capacity of the service, fearing that reductions will worsen these issues and delay necessary interventions. There are calls for more investment, not reductions, citing the ongoing pressures on services like CAMHS. Educational Psychology is an essential service. Given high levels of mental health issues in young people and increased diagnosis of neurodiverse conditions the demand is likely to increase. This seems a very high risk proposal
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 63 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Educational psychology is essential especially for disabled children. This would have a massive impact on disabled children and their families’ lives. Any reduction in staffing will impact of essential supports for children and their families. Lack of access to these services could result in long delays for diagnosis and implementation of support plans causing family disruption and poor school attendance and attainment Educational psychology service is in great demand and under no circumstances should be cut this would have a huge impact on the struggling children and families within our schools and community there is already a very long waiting list for this service The NHS is already stretched, CAMHS have strict criteria for referrals, GP surgeries are over stretched therefore removing this service from schools will have a very negative impact on children and the wider NHS services Perhaps those not working in education will not see the benefit of this service. However, they provide support to teachers and children particularly with the management of particular behaviour issues. The service is already very limited, and with the local NHS Child and Adolescent Mental Health Service open exclusively to emergency cases of suicide, the reduction will severely impact early detection and intervention for many children. Invaluable service and waiting lists are already too long. Kids aren't getting the support they need. Long term issues in place affecting families and learning so this service should not be reduced. These services need to improve and be more hands on in schools to support children and their learning. All of the bodies who are there to help children with additional needs in mainstream school need to be given the correct funding in order for them to help improve the lives of young children within a mainstream setting. It is hard enough for them given their is not enough resources already. Having cutbacks will only affect them more. Educational psychology is a much needed service within schools especially now when vulnerable disabled children are forced into a mainstream establishment. Families of said children spend several hours in TAC meetings, dealing with educational psychology and it’s a time consuming process. To wait longer in respects of appeals, meeting timeframes is an added unnecessary pressure on already pressured families.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 64 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 45. The next question relates to the impact that the proposal will have on people with protected characteristics, people who are care experienced, people who are in certain socio-economic positions and small business owners. Do you think the proposal will have a particular impact on any of the groups below?
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 65 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 46. Please use this space if you wish to provide further information on your answer(s) above. SUMMARY OF RESPONSES: Most respondents felt that vulnerable children and young people, particularly those with mental health issues, additional support needs (ASN), and those from minority or disadvantaged groups, would be adversely affected by a reduction in the educational psychology service. Many highlighted the importance of these services in addressing issues like trauma, neurodiversity, and gender identity, as well as their role in diagnosing learning disabilities and providing appropriate interventions. Concerns were raised that reducing these services will disproportionately affect children from low-income backgrounds, minority groups, and those facing mental health challenges. Mental health issues are high amongst even primary age children this support is vital to these children Children would be most in need of this service. If they cannot get assessed, then there is no diagnosis, which in turn means they are not getting the targeted support they may require and this may result in them not reaching their full potential. Many crossovers between neurodivergence and gender identity and queer sexual orientations. Non typical presentations of neurodivergence more likely in females, and symptoms more likely to be overlooked or considered poor behaviour in ethnic minority children - ed psych’s can help interpret behaviour appropriately and give teachers more effective methods to support these children to flourish rather than punishing their behaviour. If psychological conditions, leading to a learning impairment or disability are not detected early and interventions do not take place, the community as a whole will suffer as the children will be unable to learn and live happy, healthy lives and become ill or maladjusted adults. Mental health issues are on the increase and in poorer areas are most needed. I’m a poverty area like North Ayrshire, this service should actually be increased. Children with additional needs and from low incomes will be disproportionately affected by cuts to this resource LGBT+, trans young people, those in care etc. will be struggling to come to terms with their identity and should have access within a reasonable timeframe to an educational psychology service The highest proportion of children needing psychological support come from minority groups.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 66 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 47. Do you think the proposal is likely to have an effect on any island communities which is significantly different from its effect on other communities (including other island communities) in North Ayrshire? 48. If you answered "yes" to the above question, please use this space to provide further information. SUMMARY OF RESPONSES: Respondents said that island schools already struggle with fewer support staff and face difficulties in accessing services due to the distance from mainland resources. They felt the reduction of this service would disproportionately affect island children, particularly those with additional support needs (ASN) and mental health issues, as they have fewer alternative options for support. Access to alternative/private support will be much harder for islanders than those on mainland. We hardly ever see them on Arran! A lot of money for not much input or help! Many children on Arran have already been failed by this poor service. Isolation on island communities can lead to increased mental health issues for young people. Island schools already get limited support. Cutting this back further will have impact. There can be great difficulty getting the educational psychologist to the island. Ferry travel is unreliable. Lots of children with ASN on Arran and schools there benefit from regular consultation and coaching conversations with Eps. Arran and other islands already share an educational psychologist with the mainland. These people have more work and a spread demography which takes more time to even get to their schools etc. Cuts to this service will further impact children in need who are already ostracised and isolated.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 67 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Engagement Group Feedback Redburn Grove Tenants Group “Why are the kids suffering with this Council budget engagement???” All group members felt this proposal should not be considered as it will have a massive impact on the direct education of young people. North Coast Youth Forum Some young people opened up on previously utilising this service but also stated there was issues with the service at the time 1 being the waitlist time and also the quality of the service provided. Young people fear this would only become worse if the service was lessened resulting in not only issues for the young person utilising/needing the service but also other people within the class if said young people are left undiagnosed and without additional support they may use additional teacher resources. Scottish Syrian Roses Most participants felt this would not be an issue as people can be referred to mental health specialists through their GP. However, one participant pointed out that for those children who do suffer from menta health issues, the impact would be pretty significant. If there is a psychologist based in the school, they are able to see and assess the behaviour taking place at school. They can also build up a relationship with the children, so the children are more likely to trust them. Older Peoples Network Feedback on impact: Most vulnerable being targeted, leading to higher expense further down the line. ASN Friday Night Youth Group Young people feel if this service is lessened there may be young people left undiagnosed and without support which would not be fair as it could result is less opportunities for them. Long Covid Group A service that is needed. Big ESOL class, Syrian, Afghan learners - If some school clubs, such as Zen Club, were stopped, this would affect children. Garnock Community Campus Umbrella Club group directed to QR Code survey as ran out of time She Shed There are not enough Educational Psychologists as it is, and they are already stretched this will have an impact on those children and young people with additional support needs and their families. New Scots Adventure Group • 7 of the group thought educational psychology was very important for young people of all ages. They said if people need help, they should be able to get it and it was important to care for young people’s mental health Online Consultation - Ukrainian • 3 participants agreed with one saying it is a good idea. • One participant emphasized the importance of the service and suggested that having a psychologist in every school who could also perform additional tasks would be beneficial. However, they expressed doubts about the efficiency of psychologists and recommended assessing job satisfaction levels to ensure effectiveness. NAFCO This is hard to comment on, is this one job ? is it resources ? Kids have more complex needs and following Covid this has had an impact, on kids health and well-being. ESOL Class, Ukrainian/Russian speakers There is not enough information to make an informed decision on this proposal.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 68 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Employee Disability Forum Reducing this service would have a great impact on a lot of people, particularly those struggling with ADHD, Autism etc. The psychological service is key in giving schools guidance on how to help the individuals and how to stay calm and avoid escalation. In practice, early intervention is very important – prevention is better than cure and the service is heavily used within schools. Joint Cabinet Conversation Café • YPs mental health is brushed off due to age, therefore these people are only here for people that need it so it effects people that are using educational psychologists North Ayrshire Youth Executive • Hard to judge the impact as unaware of how many people supported by service. • Low – removing one psychologist wouldn’t have a huge impact. • High – Impact on users and families service already providing support too. • “From what we know service need is growing due to increasing numbers of people being diagnosed with ADHD and similar conditions, any cuts will mean longer wait times for people to be seen.” North Ayrshire Young Ambassadors Much like the discussion on pupil support and inclusion officers the pupils understand the importance but have not accessed the service but if they needed it, they would like it to be available. High Impact – “We don’t have one but we need one”. No Impact – “We don’t use them.” North Ayrshire Champions Board - This would be okay if the workload could be shared and there would be a big effect. - You can maybe share the workload; I am not too fussed about this but I know it would impact those who need it most. Joint Cabinet and Youth Cabinet Nov 2024 Diagnosed neurodivergent / The psychology educational service is already overbooked taking this service from young people will mean less children can access to their full potential Parent Council Chairs Resource already thinly spread, meaning that only a small number of children are able to be supported by them at present.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 69 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Feedback from Unison From: Branch Secretary Sent: Friday, December 13, 2024 11:58:53 AM Subject: Budget Proposals Good Morning Further to the JCC budget proposal document that emailed to trade union colleagues. I completely understand that whilst none of the options are palatable, savings do have to be made. I'm aware that due to recent announcements it may not be necessary to consider all of the proposals however I do have some feedback on some that I feel most strongly about. Realigning the level of PSA resources:- We are at the start of the journey of a new way of supporting teaching staff and young people in schools with the newly upgraded PSA role. I feel that due to high levels of children in mainstream school who have additional support and behavioural issues we should be building this group up to deliver more targeted support and the targeted training opportunities that will be offered this group will support that. If we cut numbers of PSA staff in our schools, I feel the role will become overwhelming and unsustainable. In an ideal world we would have more PSA support, but at this time I would happy to see the staff numbers remain and continued investment in their skills and knowledge base. Area Inclusion Workers:- An invaluable role, where if staff are removed and the existing staff are covering more schools this dilutes the effectiveness. AIW work is built on the relationships that are forged with the staff in schools, the children and their families. AIW are a relied on and I fear that if there are staff cut from this it will have a detrimental effect on the families. Cleaning reduction in schools and early years classes:- From experience I know that there is already a great emphasis in many establishments for children and young people to be involved in clearing up after activities and would never deliberately leave rooms/areas messy expecting cleaning staff to 'do it for them'. I know that our cleaning staff already have sometimes excessive remits/expectations of cleaning and to see this further increased I feel would potentially put a risk to the health and wellbeing of our cleaning staff, and potentially a hazard to the people who use our establishments if they are then not cleaned properly. Caution: This is an external email and could be malicious. Do not click on links or open attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 71 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Feedback from North Ayrshire EIS – Extraordinary LNCT Meeting on Friday 29th November 2024 Savings Proposals – Education Realign the level of teaching resource across North Ayrshire schools – recognising the falling pupil roll, and that NAC already has one of the lowest pupil-teacher ratios in Scotland. If approved, NAC pupil- teacher ratio would remain below the national figure. Savings would be achieved through the efficient allocation of teaching resources to schools, related to school rolls. All savings would be achieved through vacancy management and natural attrition. • We recognise that there is a falling pupil roll in schools but with the presumption to mainstreaming of ASN pupils, the needs of pupils in our schools are rising and becoming increasingly complex. ASN pupils often require further interventions and support. It is not always possible for the class teacher to provide such support whilst meeting the needs of all other learners in the class. In 2007 5.3% of the pupil roll had ASN, by 2023 that figure had risen to 36.7%. As well as planning for their classes, teachers supporting ASN learners must complete STINT paperwork and attend regular meetings which impacts greatly on workload. • Teacher workload is already a significant issue and if the teaching workforce is reduced; more work will fall to those who are left. Nationally, the independent research commissioned by the EIS shows that on average teachers already work more than 11 hours beyond their contracted hours every week. That’s 11 hours of work that the council get free of charge for every teacher. A reduction of 50 FTE will only result in an increase in what is already an intolerable workload burden being experienced by teachers. The impact of such a situation will be significant in terms of the wellbeing of the teaching workforce. • On paper NAC may have one of the lowest pupil-teacher ratios, but we feel that the figures presented of • 12.3 pupils to 1 teacher in 2023 does not give a true reflection of classes sizes across the authority. The ratios are potentially skewed because of smaller schools such as Cumbrae, Gateside, the Arran Primaries, Arran High and specialist provisions including Lockhart Campus, Extended Outreach, Early Years Inclusion Service, EAL, ESRs and SSRs. This must be looked into further. • The average class size across Scotland in 2022 was 23.3 which lags behind the OECD and EU22 average. It is essential that the current average class size is across all schools in NAC is made clear. Evidence clearly indicates that smaller classes have a positive impact on the quality of the learning experience; a narrow focus on pupil teacher ratios runs contrary to this wealth of educational research that has been conducted over many years. • Furthermore, using the pupil-teacher ratio as the main measure for ‘realigning’ the level of teaching resource disregards the needs of pupils and also the level of deprivation in our local authority. This risks the widening of the poverty-related attainment gap if there are fewer teachers and increased class sizes. • Many violent and aggressive incidents are attributed to pupils with ASN. There is already no flexibility within the service to support pupils and staff following a violent incident.
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 72 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION The impact of violent and aggressive incidents is a risk to both educational outcomes and the health, safety and wellbeing of all. • Staf absence has a major impact in schools and cover budgets are already under extreme pressure. The EIS requests detailed information on how many absences are as a result of work-related stress or as a result of a physical or psychological injury following a violent and aggressive incident. Realign the level of Pupil Support Assistants (PSAs) in schools – recognising the falling pupil roll, and that PSA staffing levels in NAC compare favourably with the national average. We recognise the growing profile of learner needs across the service and have invested in this staff group in terms of salary re- grading and the introduction of a professional learning programme. • The budget proposal paper states that the allocation of PSAs is based on the distribution of available budget across schools based on their school roll and level of social deprivation. The allocation formula negates to consider pupil need - even though it seems clear that this group of staff are highly valued in the work that they do with learners who have ASN. This proposal risks creating an inequity in accessing support across different areas. Review of Campus Police Officer Arrangements – recognising that this resource is valued by school communities, and the desire to continue to experience the benefits this brings, the proposal amends the funding source to share our 50% of the costs between the NAC central budget (25%) and schools (25%). Schools retain discretion to opt out if they do not believe that the value justifies the 25% contribution. • The budget proposal suggests that alternative funding streams should be used and gave PEF as an example. PEF is a ring-fenced grant provided by the Scottish Government specifically to help schools close the poverty-related attainment gap. This proposal appears to be based on an assumption that money from PEF can be ‘skimmed’ of for other purposes than it is intended. • This proposal would require schools to use approximately £12k from their budgets; which could place strain on schools and divert funds away from resources. EIS members have already raised concerns over school budgets and evidence has been presented previously to LNCT regarding teachers using their own money to resource classrooms. Review of Area Inclusion Workers (AIW) - the Education Service has 20 FTE AIW (8 FTE Secondary sector and 12 FTE Primary sector). We know that AIWs develop links between families and schools to support pupils to maintain their placement in a mainstream school setting, and are keen to maintain the service. The proposal is to reduce the overall budget for this resource by around 30% and develop a new approach to targeting and distributing this service across establishments. • The loss of any AIWs will put more pressure on school management teams to find ways to continue the arrangements already in place for our most vulnerable pupils and their
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 73 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION families. This is another blow for those pupils with ASN and places further pressure on schools that are already stretched. • The remit of AIWs is wide and includes transition and enhanced transition arrangements, leading wellbeing groups with pupils during the school day, providing targeted interventions and linking with other agencies. • Poor pupil attendance continues to be problematic since the pandemic and AIWs play a key role in forming strong relationships with pupils and their families to support young people back into the school. • There will be workload implications for AIWs in secondary if the work that they do is distributed across into primaries – some already have a caseload in their cluster primaries. With workload levels already critically high, such an increase is not acceptable. Review of music service, education psychology service – each of these would involve marginal changes in a manner that acknowledges it is our responsibility to review all possible options. We would not intend to dilute our commitment to delivery as a result of these, but would instead explore improved efficiencies through greater levels of prioritisation. • The Instrumental Music Service is an effective provision that sees high pupil uptake. Any reduction to this service would mean that some pupils will need to go without. The Scottish Government removed fees for music tuition in 2021 to ensure that all children could access tuition without financial barriers. NAC is an area of high deprivation, those living in poverty could be impacted most. • There are already too few Educational Psychologists in NAC which hinders the assessment of certain additional support needs. With high levels of ASN and social, emotional and behavioural difficulties, and the depletion of other services, this reduction will impact on those who may need the highest level of intervention. Savings proposals – Facilities Management • We did not comment on this as it did not appear on the budget proposal paper for Cabinet. Cleaning – Reduction in School/Early Years – we initially propose to benchmark the metric of m2 cleaned per hour with other local authorities to understand if there is scope to improve efficiency. If any changes were implemented, the service would work with school / early years communities to build on positive behaviours to reduce required cleaning. • Cleaning is one of the most frequently raised issues by EIS members at branch meetings. There is a general feeling that cleaning has already been cut to the bone and
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Budget Engagement– Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People Page 74 of 74 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION many EIS members do not believe that schools are clean environments in which to work. • The proposal suggests that the service would work with schools/early years communities to build on positive behaviours in educational establishments to reduce cleaning. We would ask for clarity on what the expectation was there. Encouraging pupils to tidy up after themselves after lessons is one thing (which teachers already do) but cleaning in itself is entirely different. Teaching and learning should always be the main focus for teaching staff. • We have already raised the issue around cleaning of classrooms and workspaces for those members who work in practical classes in particular. Home Economics is just one example. HE teachers spend a lot of time cleaning their rooms and equipment; tasks which go beyond their contractual duties. Furthermore, this work is often done during their own preparation and correction time and detracts from time that could be spent preparing for teaching and learning. Review of School Crossing Patrollers - this is a non-statutory service. We have modelled the maximalist model, which is to remove this service in its entirety and redeploy staff elsewhere within the council. However, phased implementation would also be viable (albeit with proportionately smaller savings). • This is clearly worrying and could compromise the Health, Safety & Wellbeing of pupils in North Ayrshire. • Teachers in NAC work hard to try to encourage active travel in children & young people. There are annual walk, cycle and scoot to school campaigns across our establishments which promote an active and healthy lifestyle but also help with traffic congestion at our school gates and within the carparks. • Imagine if there was a fatality. How much does it cost to investigate a fatal accident? • We did not comment on this as it did not appear on the budget proposal paper for Cabinet.
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Service Delivery Page 0 of 17 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 2025 to 2026 Budget Engagement Findings Service Delivery Appendix 4
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Service Delivery Page 2 of 17 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION About this Document / Method This document contains the summarised feedback from the 2025 to 2026 Council Budget Engagement undertaken between 10th October and 25th November 2024. It contains survey findings, engagement group feedback and where relevant, comments from trade unions. Due to the scale of the consultation, information has been analysed by theme as per the surveys issued: 1. Additional Council Tax Levy on Second Homes 2. Community Facilities and Car Parking 3. Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People 4. Service Delivery (this report) 5. Taxes and Levies 6. Waste Services This approach is more comprehensive than providing a single statistics or feedback document and enables quicker distribution to Elected Members and Officers for consideration. Please note: As the survey was divided by theme, if there is a need to combine findings across the engagement exercise caution should be used to ensure reference is made to the number of responses, rather than number of respondents. Open field questions produced an extensive amount of feedback, running to at least 10,000 words per survey. To make this manageable, this feedback has been examined manually and summarised for each question. As well as the summary, key examples of feedback are then quoted for each question to ensure the voices of our communities are directly visible. This text is as received by our respondents.
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Service Delivery Page 5 of 17 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Survey Responses: Review of Economic Development, Growth and Regeneration Services 1. What do you think the impact would be to the community within North Ayrshire including local community organisations, social enterprises and businesses? 2. Have you any additional comments you wish to make on the review of Economic Development, Growth and Regeneration Services and on how you think communities will be impacted? SUMMARY: - Economic Support and Regeneration. Many comments received emphasise the importance of council support for local businesses, especially in terms of growth, job creation, and attracting new businesses. Many ask for continued or increased investment in economic development, with a focus on helping businesses thrive, supporting innovation, and addressing the needs of areas like Arran and North Ayrshire's most deprived communities. Many were also appreciative of the direct help they had received from business advisors. - Spending. A number of respondents expressed concerns over the allocation of resources, suggesting that some economic development initiatives, particularly those viewed as non-statutory, are not providing value for money or lacking visible impact. There are calls to reassess spending, with some advocating for reductions in areas such as consultancy fees or large-scale regeneration projects to prioritize essential services like social care and education. - Community Impact. The comments highlight a strong desire for community-focused development that directly benefits local residents. A number of respondents suggested more inclusive decision-making processes and a recognition that the success of regeneration and business growth efforts depends on genuinely engaging with communities, addressing their needs, and ensuring that any investments lead to improvements in quality of life (e.g., through active travel, job creation, and supporting small businesses). ‘The Economic Development, Growth, and Regeneration Services have been instrumental in supporting my business by providing access to valuable resources, such as funding opportunities, strategic advice, and networking connections. Their guidance has enabled us to implement innovative solutions, especially in areas like digital transformation and sustainability, which are key to our long-term growth. This support has had a direct impact on improving our operations and expanding our business reach. If anything, the review should highlight the opportunity to strengthen these services further, ensuring that they continue to meet the evolving needs of businesses and communities. By enhancing support for innovation, digital skills, and sustainability, the services can drive long-term economic resilience and regeneration. Communities will benefit from more
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Service Delivery Page 6 of 17 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION local businesses thriving, increased employment opportunities, and greater investment in regional development projects that improve infrastructure and quality of life.’ ‘While we want to ensure business and tourists are attracted to North Ayrshire to boost the local economy, this should not be at the cost of essential services such as social care, education and the local environment etc. I feel like some cuts would be acceptable here to protect other services.’ ‘It will be crucial for NAC to continue the great work achieved so far in taking a community wealth building approach to economic development. Preventive measures, while at times appearing more costly at the outset, must be prioritised for investment to ensure not only the wealth of local people and places, but also to tackle inequality and maximise population health which is driven by income and wealth, and affects productivity. The residents and businesses within NA need to be well supported by NAC now, to prevent negative consequences and spiralling costs to pick up the pieces later. Economic development working closely with public health will be crucial.’ ‘Such services are extremely important to the communities they support but is there scope for economies of scale, with a more regional focus/more collaboration with a wider area?’ ‘These are the behind the scenes services that can make great things happen. Business growth is very important for the economy as is tourism. The transport and travel networks allow the residents and tourists to move around efficiently. More focus on disadvantage groups getting into self employment e.g. for those with disabilities’ ‘A dedicated contact in business support and development is essential in assisting businesses to identify and access council support and services’ ‘Businesses in North Ayrshire depend on the support from North Ayrshire Council. Businesses provide jobs and wealth in the local area. Cutting support will damage local business growth.’ ‘Economic Development - If businesses both SME and OEM are not supported by the Economic Development team business will fail to be as competitive therefore will have a negative impact on employment and see NA being a poorer economic region. the business community don't see much of an impact if we did not have Economic Policy, or Regeneration. Growth & Investment was to deliver the Ayrshire growth deal, we haven't seen much if any delivery across Ayrshire so again little impact’ ‘To the general public these services are not visible. But to some they will be critical and will have been pivotal in helping them through difficult times or got them off the ground at the start of their journey. ‘As a small business, the support from the Council is very sporadic, having attended various business events I have received data better support advice and guidance from the supplier development teams, purchasing teams, business enterprise who seem to be more knowledgeable and supportive than economic development business support teams. There is also a very clear disconnect regarding advice and supports between the 3 councils which is often confusing. In terms of regeneration, I feel that the Council already have pre conceived ideas and play at community engagement without actually listening. Some times it is the small things that make a huge difference - clearing fly tipping. Fixing loose and uneven slabs, washing/painting over graffiti - get back to basics and take pride in our local towns. Too many empty shops which could be out to use by community groups albeit rents would need to be addressed. Maybe set up community cafes with activities for pensioners etc.’
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Service Delivery Page 8 of 17 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 4. Please use this space if you wish to provide further information on your answer(s) above. SUMMARY Many respondents felt there should be concern for the future of small businesses in North Ayrshire, saying that economic development services help create jobs and are vital for the area’s economic outlook. Additionally, a number expressed concern for vulnerable groups, supported by programmes like EQUAL and Trinity Hub, which offer free community activities, such as walking and cycling programmes, which are seen as essential for promoting health and well-being, especially for disadvantaged individuals. A number of responses asked the council to prioritise investment in businesses and local communities to prevent further decline, emphasising the need for targeted support for small businesses and a focus on creating sustainable employment opportunities for all. ‘The proposal will likely have a significant impact on several groups, particularly those with protected characteristics, small businesses, and people experiencing socio-economic challenges. Economic development and regeneration projects have the potential to uplift communities by creating jobs, improving infrastructure, and increasing access to services. However, it is crucial that these opportunities are made accessible to people in lower-income brackets. Ensuring that initiatives focus on inclusive growth and avoid pricing vulnerable groups out of newly regenerated areas will be vital in avoiding unintended socio-economic displacement. Small businesses rely on targeted support from economic development services to survive, particularly in challenging economic climates. Changes to these services could have direct consequences for their sustainability. Maintaining and expanding support for small businesses in the proposal will be key in promoting local economic resilience, innovation, and job creation. By focusing on inclusivity and targeted support, the proposal can help bridge gaps for these groups and ensure that economic growth benefits everyone equally.’ ‘Economic development has the potential to provide positive outcomes for all the groups highlighted’ ‘The business support team has helped me recruit people with disabilities. This was a great service for my business and the people I hired.’ ‘Without investment in businesses there will be a negative effect on small and medium sizes enterprises, sole traders and also those on low incomes. We should be investing in companies who are trying to bring new, highly paid jobs to the area and these two effected areas will be helped and opportunities will be generated for other potential demographics that are at risk.’ ‘With low investment in local communities it means young people will be at a disadvantage those who may wish to create small business or scale their small business it will be much harder as investment is needed to make business and community grow beyond its expectations. With low investment a young person simply cannot stand on their own and invest in their business whilst tackling rising costs in their own private lives.’ ‘In reality, it could affect all of the above. Businesses are part of North Ayrshire's wider community. If they are not supported then potentially you are affecting the whole demographic of residents living within the local authority area.’ ‘Without the wide range of specialist support on growing our business we are highly concerned how this will impact on our development as a local employer. We are currently looking to engage with potential employees from people from low income or deprived backgrounds.’ ‘The service has been invaluable to myself and my business. There is extremely high unemployment in the area which will only get worse without ongoing investment and support for the existing business community and anyone considering starting their own company.’
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Service Delivery Page 9 of 17 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 5. Do you think the proposal is likely to have an effect on any island communities which is significantly different from its effect on other communities (including other island communities) in North Ayrshire? 6. If you answered "yes" to the above question, please use this space to provide further information. SUMMARY: The comments received from the survey highlight the challenges faced by island communities in North Ayrshire in relation to economic development, growth and regeneration. The key concern is the ongoing ferry service disruption, which significantly impact both business operations and residents' daily lives, creating logistical and supply chain issues. Many point out that Arran and Cumbrae’s economies are highly dependent on tourism and small businesses, which are already struggling with high costs, lack of affordable housing, and seasonal employment. Respondents stress the need for continued, tailored business support to help island enterprises stay competitive and sustainable, with particular emphasis on the expertise provided by the council’s Business Support Team. Many also highlight the importance of maintaining support for island businesses to avoid further isolation and economic decline, suggesting that reducing services would exacerbate the challenges they currently face. ‘Support for businesses on Arran, & investment in growth is particularly important given the problems faced on the island. Businesses are struggling to recruit staff with the necessary skills. This is in part due to the lack of reliability of the ferry service & lack of affordable housing. The withdrawal of support & investment would lead to further difficulties & ultimately mean that Arran could not exist as a viable island.’ ‘Yes, I believe the proposal will have a significantly different impact on island communities, particularly Arran, compared to other regions in North Ayrshire. Arran faces unique challenges, especially due to ongoing ferry issues which affect the reliability of transport and the supply chain for both businesses and residents. These disruptions create additional barriers to growth and sustainability for local businesses that rely on consistent access to mainland markets and services. The island’s economy is heavily dependent on tourism and small businesses, and without stable transportation, there is a greater risk of isolation. This makes the continued support from business development services even more crucial. Businesses on Arran need tailored assistance to address logistical challenges and access alternative solutions to mitigate ferry disruptions. The proposal must ensure that island communities like Arran receive specialised support that considers these unique circumstances to prevent long-term negative impacts on their economic growth and resilience.’ ‘Islands depend on small businesses to offer services to attract visitors. Cutting business support will have a dramatic impact business sustainability on our islands.’ ‘The islands have a more fragile business community and need as much support as possible from Economic Development team to ensure the businesses stay as competitive as possible.’
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Service Delivery Page 10 of 17 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION ‘With low investment in North Ayrshire problems will only escalate as we have seen in recent years for the island communities and business activities if people cannot get be reassured they can get to the islands they will default and not go creating a knock on effect for the business and the communities it serves.’ ‘The huge pressure placed on running a business from arran with the ongoing ferry situation is at breakpoint. Business development and the real-time link with funding availability, one on one consultancy has never been more important than now.’ ‘Running a business on an island has specific challenges, having a specific person from the business support team within the local authority that understands these challenges is invaluable.’ ‘Island businesses and communities (especially Arran) are also impacted by the ongoing ferry issues. Whilst businesses are resilient to a point, they are not infallible. We need the continued support from the NAC Business Support Team to help address issues that mainland businesses just don't have; ferry cancellations cost staff time, wasted stock etc, and this is all without taking into account the blow to accommodation. In addition, the cost of doing business on an island in Scotland is approx 40% greater than on mainland Scotland.’ ‘Island face additional infrastructure challenges that most mainland locations do not. Often they can miss out on support without the direct conduit of NAC helping promote opportunities.’ Engagement Group Feedback: Review of Economic Development, Growth and Regeneration Services Redburn Grove Tenants Group The Redburn Grove members did not fully understand this suggestion, however felt they wanted to make it clear they did not agree with any job losses. Redburn Grove Tenants Group This suggestion was not discussed. 3T Community Shed • Social Problems • NAC need to talk to Scotrail to move the line as people will leave the area to be closer to work • What can the Three Towns Offer? • No selling point The First Steps Programme The group as a whole are not proud of where they live. They feel that there is a lack of stimulation activities that they can get involved in the community. We have a great coastline and they suggested having classes to learn water sports such as paddleboarding and skiing. They discussed the leisure centres saying that KA leisure are very restrictive, trying to get into use the swimming pools as it is always taken up with swimming lessons. Also mentioned more accessible business support for young people trying to set up their own businesses. The suggestions below were given from our young people: • Garnock Valley have nothing for young people and public transport is terrible, • Music hubs, learning how to make/produce music, darts/ pool hubs, off-road bike track • Better Housing • More First Steps Programmes • Better support for older people, social club activities, tea dances • Places to go to learn to cook and bake • Go- Ape type of adventure activities, out in nature • Learn to dance clubs Kilbirnie Residents - Syrian & Ukrainian New Scots Women All participants were unsure as they would need clarification and more details for this proposal, in order to have an informed opinion.
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Service Delivery Page 12 of 17 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Survey Responses: Shared services on a regional basis 7. In the absence, at this stage, of any fully developed proposals, feedback is sought on the principle of sharing services on a regional basis. 8. Have you any additional comments you wish to make shared services on a regional basis and on how you think communities will be impacted? SUMMARY: - Regional collaboration. Many respondents believe that sharing services across the three Ayrshire councils could reduce duplication, streamline operations, and generate cost savings, especially in back-office functions and infrastructure services like waste management and transport. However, many express concerns about potential bureaucratic layers and lack of local accountability. - Impact on local services. There's concern that a regional approach could lead to a loss of local knowledge, reduced service quality, and make services less accessible, particularly for island communities and areas with specific needs like Arran. Respondents worry that the islands and rural areas might be sidelined or overlooked in a broader regional framework. - Challenges with priorities: While many of the responses indicate that the idea of regional collaboration holds potential, many point to the difficulty of aligning differing local priorities and resources across the three Ayrshire councils. ‘Roads could join Ayrshire Road Alliance? HSCPs could better align. Procurement could 100% be combined!! Procurement attracts economies of scale. Would reduce the amount of staff needed to better focus on contract and supplier management to drive savings, innovation and continuous improvement. Council also needs to consider more income contexts like solar farms, advertisement, cafes.’ ‘Shared models could be beneficial if implemented correctly. Consultation would be required. We are returning slowly to Strathclyde Region. Providing the services are shared equally I would not object. I fear more affluent areas (South Ayrshire) would get more provision.’ ‘It would be beneficial if it was carried out fairly and evenly across all areas. Also if it was to same high standard as before and service or service users did not suffer’ ‘Merge the three Ayrshire’s education departments to provide one set of managers rather than three. Do the same across the board, reduce the manager numbers when merging do not increase managers.’ ‘While I can see the potential benefits of sharing services on a regional basis across the three Ayrshire Councils, it’s important to highlight that North Ayrshire’s Business Development team is already very proactive and effective in supporting local businesses. Any move towards a regional service model would need to
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Service Delivery Page 13 of 17 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION ensure that this high standard of support is not compromised or reduced to match the level of less proactive teams in other areas. For a shared service model to succeed, it must maintain or enhance the quality of service delivery currently provided by North Ayrshire. Businesses, particularly in areas facing unique challenges like Arran, rely heavily on the tailored and responsive support from the local Business Development team. If this were to be diluted under a regional approach, it could have a detrimental impact on business growth and economic development in the area. Therefore, while I support the idea in principle, it would only work if the current proactive approach of North Ayrshire’s Business Development team is retained, ensuring that businesses continue to receive the same high level of support.’ ‘I strongly support the proposal for regional service delivery in Ayrshire and believe that it has the potential to be a game-changer for the region. By working together, the Councils can create a more efficient, effective, and sustainable public sector that better serves the needs of its citizens’ ‘This did not work before and services were difficult to engage with.’ ‘There would definitely be a benefit to centralising certain services but is this just moving back to SRC days. Would the change cost more than staying the same?’ ‘My concerns are around the additional bureaucracy that would inevitably flow from this, making access to services more difficult & possibly less cost effective’ ‘I think we moved to smaller council areas for a reason when we split Strathclyde, we can't be fair within our own small council, how would that be better spreading the money further? I don't think that would be a good idea.’ ‘We would support this, so long as we still retain the business relationship with our Growth Manager. Reducing management layers would make sense, and more frontline resources would be sensible. We have found Scottish Enterprise less responsive to business needs than the Council. More funding should be reallocated to the Council for business support.’ ‘Housing is one service that should either be transferred to a housing stock transfer or a shared service with other Ayrshire services. Having more shared services including education, school meals, facilities services, waste services, Roads and street cleaning can only be helpful in sharing financial costs and value for money.’ ‘This would very much be dependent on areas being considered. Economic development would be an ideal area - would align all services for consistent advice and guidance whilst reducing staffing- many services are delivered by third party consultants. Social care would also be an ideal area as it seems to be a postcode lottery of services and eligibility. I recognise there is a joint board but nothing they do seems to be joined!! Other areas where savings could be made are transport, housing repairs - seem to have a huge workforce but most work seems to be carried out by third party contractors - time to outsource and reduce overheads especially staffing costs, property costs, stock depreciation etc. Personally I think education should also be considered, pooling of resources, teaching staff and support staff, aligning the curricular activities. Similar to economic development business support or lack of. Employability also needs to be streamlined and not siloed to an individual council area. Benefits and council tax could also be streamlined and savings could be made by cutting staff numbers if a single team structure.’ ‘I've seen this in action elsewhere and it always leads to a reduction in service’ ‘As one of two island communities within North Ayrshire, there would be concerns that issues relating to island businesses and community are not taken into account by East or South Ayrshire councils who will have less understanding of island concerns.’
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Service Delivery Page 15 of 17 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 10. Please use this space if you wish to provide further information on your answer(s) above SUMMARY: In terms of impact on people with protected characteristics, many shared about how it many affect vulnerable groups. While some see the potential for cost savings and improved service delivery through regional collaboration, there are fears about reduced access to services, especially for older residents, those facing financial hardship, and island communities with specific needs. Concerns include a loss of local focus and increased complexity for service users. A number of respondents suggest that the effectiveness of shared services is seen as highly dependent on careful implementation, transparency, and maintaining local input. ‘Services are going to get cut, under funded and older people in the community are going to be pushed to the limit.’ ‘Service cuts of any form will damage local businesses and those with protected characteristics. You can’t do more with less people. We have had years of cuts to services, small businesses always suffer.’ ‘Small businesses always receive less support than larger organisations. Regionalisation will only worsen this’ ‘I think any proposals will require extensive consultation, actually listen to people views and concerns and don’t just take the positive aspects. A lot of older people and those facing financial hardship are already struggling with digitisation of council services and the more services which are shared can actually cause further detriment, social exclusion and isolation.’ ‘I think that having a shared services across the council could have a positive effect on all of the above ticked boxes. Being able to have deployed resources to cover the region as a whole rather than three individual teams could deliver efficiencies across the board.’ ‘Again, any of these could be affected, but especially our businesses and community. In addition, Arran has an ageing demographic, and there are concerns about attracting a younger working population, much higher than the rest of mainland Ayrshire, so again, the needs of our community may not equal those there.’ 11. Do you think the proposal is likely to have an effect on any island communities which is significantly different from its effect on other communities (including other island communities) in North Ayrshire?
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Service Delivery Page 16 of 17 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 12. If you answered "yes" to the above question, please use this space to provide further information. SUMMARY: Many of the comments received highlighted concerns about the potential negative impact of regional shared services on island communities of Arran and Cumbrae. These concerns include the risk of island-specific needs being overlooked, reduced resources, and a lack of local expertise, as three mainland councils may not understand or prioritise island challenges. Issues like ferry accessibility, infrastructure limitations, and the potential marginalisation of islands in a larger regional structure were recurring themes. While some see benefits in shared services, many of those taking part in the survey called for the preservation of island- specific support and ensuring that island communities remain a priority in any regional strategy. ‘It is already hard to access services from the islands. I can only see this getting worse if two other councils which don't have experience of island communities were brought into the mix.’ ‘North Ayrshire has developed a team that specifically supports its Islands there is potential for this and the value it brings to be lost in a wider shared service’ ‘The ferry provides a vital lifeline for island communities and as soon as the service becomes more reliable island life will improve immeasurably. However, this needs to result in growth that is managed in an environmentally sustainable way with the support of the Local Authorities working together e.g. to attract more tourists but less traffic to ensure the beauty and peace of the island is maintained. The road system on the islands is already full of potholes that cause damage. More traffic will create pressure on the ferries and will create more problems. Therefore, an imaginative approach e.g. better public transport, car sharing and safe walking and cycling routes are needed.’ ‘I worry slightly that islands will become less important at a regional level but perhaps not. I believed well scoped, understood and fully embraces shared services could bring positive impact. The choice of which shared services to focus on will be important. Even within Economic Development, Growth and Regeneration service some areas would benefit from a regional approach but some would still need to have a level of resource in each council.’ ‘Island communities will be much more peripheral to the strategy of an organisation with a huge mainland/city core.’ ‘North Ayrshire is the only council with island communities.’ ‘It could result on more services being located on the mainland which would be detrimental to the island community’ ‘Supporting our island communities is crucial to ensure they survive and they would need to be engaged in developing proposals going forward to ensure their needs are met.’
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Service Delivery Page 17 of 17 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Engagement Group Feedback: Shared Services on a Regional Basis Redburn Grove Tenants Group The Redburn Grove members did not fully understand the wider perspective of this suggestion, however felt they wanted to make it clear they did not agree with any job losses. Healing Hearts Group Shared services could work depending on what they are. Long Covid Group It would work better to work as a team. Ideal to share. Be a positive – trying to save money, this would be a good idea. Should make wage cuts at the top and bring in good workers on the ground. People at the top are paid too much. Kilbirnie Residents - Syrian & Ukrainian New Scots Women Participants indicated this would impact them as other regions of Ayrshire are far away. Big ESOL class, Syrian, Afghan learners Without specific examples of services that could be impacted it was difficult for learners to consider full impact. Garnock Community Campus Umbrella Club Group directed to QR Code survey as ran out of time. She Shed Sharing services could reduce access and the quality of the service if widened to regional. NAFCO For it to be fully done needs public sector reform. Has been discussed for so long, but not much evidence of it being progressed. Makes sense where can share services and protect other services should be progressed. There is a balance to be struck, so needs careful planning, and monitoring. Employee Disability Forum Could create an issue for staff who work in NAC if they cover the whole of Ayrshire, fair amount to drive or travel a lot further to get to a change of office. May be more difficult for them to get about to other areas if they are required to do site visits etc. However, reasonable adjustments would apply here – in the event of an impact you could use mitigating circumstances to lessen that impact.
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Taxes and Levies Page 1 of 30 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Contents About this Document / Method ............................................................................................................................................................................................. 2 Demographics ..................................................................................................................................................................................................................... 3 Survey Responses: Apply a 100% Council Tax Premium on Second Homes ............................................................................................................................ 5 Engagement Group Feedback: Apply a 100% Council Tax Premium on Second Homes ......................................................................................................... 12 Survey Responses: Review of Non-Domestic Rates ............................................................................................................................................................. 13 Engagement Group Feedback: Review of Non-Domestic Rates ............................................................................................................................................ 17 Survey Responses: Charge a Tourist Visitor Levy.................................................................................................................................................................. 18 Engagement Group Feedback: Charge a Tourist Visitor Levy ................................................................................................................................................. 24 Survey Responses: Level of Increase in Council Tax ............................................................................................................................................................ 25 Engagement Group Feedback: Level of Increase in Council Tax ............................................................................................................................................ 30
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Taxes and Levies Page 2 of 30 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION About this Document / Method This document contains the summarised feedback from the 2025 to 2026 Council Budget Engagement undertaken between 10th October and 25th November 2024. It contains survey findings, engagement group feedback and where relevant, comments from trade unions. Due to the scale of the consultation, information has been analysed by theme as per the surveys issued: 1. Additional Council Tax Levy on Second Homes 2. Community Facilities and Car Parking 3. Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People 4. Service Delivery 5. Taxes and Levies (this report) 6. Waste Services This approach is more comprehensive than providing a single statistics or feedback document and enables quicker distribution to Elected Members and Officers for consideration. Please note: As the survey was divided by theme, if there is a need to combine findings across the engagement exercise caution should be used to ensure reference is made to the number of responses, rather than number of respondents. Open field questions produced an extensive amount of feedback, running to at least 10,000 words per survey. To make this manageable, this feedback has been examined manually and summarised for each question. As well as the summary, key examples of feedback are then quoted for each question to ensure the voices of our communities are directly visible. This text is as received by our respondents.
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Taxes and Levies Page 5 of 30 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Survey Responses: Apply a 100% Council Tax Premium on Second Homes 1. Following a Scottish Government Consultation, Councils now have the powers to vary the Council Tax charge for second homes from the current 100% charge to include a premium of up to a further 100% of the Council Tax charge. The main policy intent is to mitigate the negative impacts of second home ownership across our communities, including our island communities, through the promotion of a behavioural change across second homeowners which leads to a better balance between second homes and more permanently occupied homes. This could also help increase the supply in the private rented sector and benefit local economies with a shift in more housing occupancy throughout the year. Although modelling on the potential impacts of these behavioural changes will be required on an annual basis, it is currently anticipated that net additional recurring Council Tax income of up to £1.5Million per annum will be realised from the implementation of a 100% premium on second homes from 1 April 2025. This is an important source of revenue for the Council to help maintain vital services against a backdrop of significant financial pressures. The island communities of (Cumbrae and Arran have a high proportion of second home ownership. 30% of North Ayrshire second homes are located on (umbrae (451), 39% on Arran (580) and 31% on the mainland (464 properties). This policy would be applied across all North Ayrshire and it is intended to have the same impact across the whole area, with regards to initiating a behavioural change that leads to more home occupancy when compared to the current threshold of a minimum of 25 days per year. It is recognised however that the impact of such a change could be proportionately greater across the island communities due to the much higher proportion of second homes compared to primary homes for permanent island residents. This proposal will be supported by the completion of Island Community Impact Assessments for both island communities. A separate, more specific consultation will be undertaken on this matter which residents and businesses, particularly those most directly affected, will be asked to contribute to. This survey goes live on Monday 14 October and can be found here: https://northayrshire.community/consultation/
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Taxes and Levies Page 6 of 30 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 2. Have you any additional comments you wish to make on applying a 100% Council Tax Premium on Second Homes and on how you think people will be impacted? SUMMARY: - Support. Many commenters agree that second home owners, particularly those who can afford multiple properties, should pay a 100% council tax premium to contribute more to community services, given their use of local infrastructure and resources. There’s widespread consensus that those who own second homes can afford the additional cost. -Concerns about local housing market. A significant concern is the potential for second home owners to sell their properties, which could increase housing availability but may also push prices further out of reach for local residents. There is a call for the revenue raised to be used specifically to build affordable housing for local communities, especially in island areas like Arran. - Economic impact. While there is general support for the policy, some worry about its negative effects on tourism and local businesses, particularly in areas dependent on second homes for rental income. Many respondents who own a second home in North Ayrshire felt the levy would be unfair, particularly as they are less likely to make use of local authority services. Concerns about the impact on carers and exceptions for certain situations (e.g., elderly care or temporary ownership) were also raised. ‘Supportive of this. If they can afford second home they should pay its share for it.’ ‘I think this would have a positive impact’ ‘It should be 200%. No need for 2nd home when people can’t even get their 1st home’ ‘Certainly, if the house was lying empty after a certain amount of time but not if the house is occupied. Not fair on people buying for pension/investment purposes’ ‘Agree that a premium could release unused properties. However, should not penalise those who regularly use their second home (and therefore spend money locally). For example, to suggest that the premium should be lower where domestic properties are used by the owner for more than 100 days per year.’ ‘I would fully support this. This would especially benefit island communities.’ ‘It will have a positive impact in the short and long term. Additional money and perhaps the sale of some 2nd homes that are hardly used.’ ‘It penalises people who commit to an area and provide businesses with much needed investment 12 months a year. For many owning a modest second home on an island doesn’t mean you are wealthy but merely you choose to holiday at home - community wealth building in action. Many properties are so small (often one room) they aren’t fit for a permanent dwelling.’ ‘I live on Cumbrae where there are so many second homes that islanders born and bred struggle for affordable accommodation when they leave parent’s house. A great number of second homes would be ideal rentals or first time buys for 18-30 year olds. Full-time occupied properties are better for the island economy when folks access services on a daily basis and not just a percentage of the time. I personally would welcome a deterrent, premium or otherwise which would reduce second homes and boost the full- time population.’ ‘I think this is an excellent idea. So many houses lie empty for large parts of the year, even those which are rented as holiday lets are not full all year. If you can afford a second home, when some people don't even have a home, or gain income from a second property, you can surely afford to pay extra to benefit the community.’
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Taxes and Levies Page 7 of 30 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION ‘I find this a tricky one, as there are people who would like to get on the housing ladder, however cannot afford to due to inflated house prices because of these people who own second homes. It has the potential to generate a considerable amount of revenue and that can only be a positive thing.’ ‘I'm strongly in favour, in principle, of applying a 100% council tax premium on second homes. A specific impact assessment on island communities would be needed to ensure it doesn't cause harm or disproportionate impact.’ ‘I think this is a great idea. Those who can afford second homes can afford to contribute more (often they are rented out so can levy on to those renting as holiday lets etc as people afford to have a holiday they can afford the increase) and also with two homes then they should pay for each of those and the impact it has on locals either being priced out of houses or not enough houses to home those who live locally.’ ‘This policy would be off putting to purchase property in the area and would negate the favourable home prices of the area. This would result in a cost for people who have family across the UK, who may travel for extended periods of time to maintain these family links and provide essential care for elderly parents, the extra cost may cease this and cause further burden on local care facilities. In such a tight economy, this would erode any form of house equity.’
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Taxes and Levies Page 9 of 30 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 4. Please use this space if you wish to provide further information on your answer(s) above. SUMMARY: The comments highlight a range of opinions on the proposed 100% council tax premium on second homes, with recurring messages on economic impact, housing affordability, and fairness. Supporters of the levy argue that it could help free up housing for local residents, particularly in areas like Arran and Cumbrae, where second homes are considered to have driven up property prices, exacerbating the housing crisis. Some see it as a way to create more affordable housing for young people and lower-income families, potentially alleviating deprivation. However, there are concerns about the negative economic consequences, particularly for small businesses reliant on second-home owners and tourism. Some fear it could reduce business continuity and reduce local economic activity. There's also a concern that vulnerable groups, such as older people, might be disproportionately affected, as a number of respondents pointed out they may be more likely to own a second home. ‘Second homes provide work to many sole traders across Arran and I am sure the same is the case in other communities. The net effect of reducing the work available to these groups needs to be taken into account.’ ‘Second home owners can be the stable lifeblood for small businesses who struggle during the winter months and have to battle against ferry disruption. They provide continuity and consistency to small business cash flow.’ ‘Young people will actually be able to get a home.’ ‘The number of second homes on Arran has grossly inflated the property prices. Low income families (even in full-time work) cannot compete with those wishing to buy second homes. Arran's economy is also not rewarded by houses sitting empty.’ ‘This is likely to free up accommodation making things easier for people experiencing deprivation.’ ‘It will just impact a comparatively fortunate section of society, most of whom can afford to pay a bit more. We should not believe dire warnings that the loss of some second homes will cause the economy to crash.’ ‘If this lead to more housing being released to the long term rental market then potential more young people would stay on the island.’ ‘It might be beneficial for those on low income if more properties are available to rent locally’ ‘This policy could impact lower-income residents by increasing local housing supply and potentially making permanent homes more affordable. Small business owners: Increased year-round residency might boost local businesses by providing a steadier customer base beyond seasonal tourism.’ ‘Cumbrae is a deprived community, and second home owners provide one of the main sources of income. Discouraging them would be devastating for the economy of the island and would effectively take money away from a deprived community for the benefit of North Ayrshire Council's finances.’ ‘Fewer tourists will impact small businesses on the islands.’ ‘For older people who have pushed their ability to take health benefits from owning a (in my case) small retreat that brings pleasure I feel that it will cut the less financially able off from this, I am not poor, I have got funds to manage this even if you did double but it would mean the cost of travel would be hit so I would not be able to make the trip to be here. I think many others would have the same issues. Wealthy people, I guess will not notice the change and I am sure will not really be affected. As I said above, and this second home, and it has been a home with new friends and activities, has been a mental life saver.
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Taxes and Levies Page 10 of 30 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION ( Here, it is only money and I can fix that by better budgeting (selling and using the funds to stay secure at my other home). As we get older, there is so much less choice, at least here, I actually do have a choice. It is not much of a choice but I have it. Keep the second home and stop other economic activities or sell and maintain, of slightly improve my economic state. Mentally I can do this as I have time. Local, , we do not spend a great deal here but we do contribute to local shops for food, hardware for property maintenance, businesses that maintain property as we can afford. That will be lost. We do not run a car so we have to shop and live local. If we have to sell the new owners may stay full time will also contribute so maybe that will be a win for the local community.’ 5. Do you think the proposal is likely to have an effect on any island communities which is significantly different from its effect on other communities (including other island communities) in North Ayrshire?
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Taxes and Levies Page 11 of 30 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 6. If you answered "yes" to the above question, please use this space to provide further information. SUMMARY: The survey comments highlighted the opposing views on how such a levy might impact communities, particularly those on Arran and Cumbrae. Supporters of the council tax premium argue that it could free up housing for local residents by discouraging second home ownership, which drives up property prices and limits housing availability for young people and low-income families. Some anticipate that this policy could lead to more affordable housing options and reduce the housing shortage, benefiting the local community. However, many respondents expressed concerns that the policy could negatively affect the tourism-driven economies of the islands, as second-home owners are seen to contribute to local businesses. It was suggested that small businesses, especially in tourism and hospitality, may suffer from reduced spending, and the potential loss of second-home owners as tourists could harm local jobs and services. ‘This will have a positive impact on the island communities if some second homes are sold to more permanent residents.’ ‘There is a risk that properties on the islands released after this measure will remain unoccupied or move to non-domestic (holiday rental) use.’ ‘May have an effect on business footfall in Cumbrae/Arran’ ‘Would positively benefit Arran as may discourage so many homes being bought for holiday homes and create more housing for residents, as well as encouraging more people to work in social care roles on the island, which is impacted at the moment through a lack of housing.’ ‘It may drive a behavioural change in that some second homes may be sold, some may be put out for short term lets and some may be sold. The ones that are sold I am doubtful will be within financial reach for those looking for homes in the affected communities. You may want to consider how you encourage the second home owners to start lettng their homes for long term leases. This is probably not ging to cover the financial costs of the home and also make the home unavailable to the owner - so why keep it?’ ‘In reference to Cumbrae, there is an assumption there is lack of available housing preventing islanders from getting housing. I see no evidence that this is the case. Second home owners provide much needed cash flow to businesses throughout the year and are the difference between closing shop or staying open, and the consequent job implications of this.’ ‘I suspect that such a proposal will cause owners of second homes to consider selling. There will be an impact as a consequence on small businesses, particularly in Island communities.’ ‘This could result in a lot of homes coming on the market on the islands. It could reduce the number of tourists initially but it could increase the availability of affordable housing to members of the community.’ ‘Arran has an enormous amount of 2nd homes which, along with retirees, has had the effect of raising house and land prices considerably, hindering local peoples chances of buying their own homeland staying on the island. Whether a 100% council tax will alleviate this is debatable but is worth trying. There is a case for saying that local trades get a lot of benefit from work at 2nd homes but it should be recognised that there is an exodus of young people from Arran, which is reflected in the amount of mainland based personnel commuting here. Alarmingly for the social and health sectors, the age demographic on Arran has increasingly become older than the norm, possibly because 2nd home owner tend to retire on Arran, or pass the house onto family members.’
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Taxes and Levies Page 12 of 30 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION ‘Clearly this will impact the islands. If people sell their second homes then this could lead to a flood of properties available. But then we need people to buy them and given they are islands this could prove difficult. We may end up creating a situation whereby the islands are less busy than they were before.’ ‘Most second home owners spend considerable time on the islands. This policy would reduce their disposable income to spend in the community. The absentee second home owners will not change their behaviour because of this.’ ‘Islands rely on tourism and although not tourists, second home owners and their families and friends spend a lot of money on the island’ Engagement Group Feedback: Apply a 100% Council Tax Premium on Second Homes Redburn Grove Tenants Group This council tax premium should be enforced for second homes 3T Community Shed •If people can afford a second home, they can afford higher tax •Agree on proposal • Reduce cost of local property Healing Hearts Group This is a positive - should introduce it. Scottish Syrian Roses Most felt this would have no impact as it will only affect home owners. Long Covid Group Agree to introducing it. Kilbirnie Residents - Syrian & Ukrainian New Scots Women Participants stated that people who own two houses are rich. Big ESOL class, Syrian, Afghan learners -If you use homes a business/trade, yes, because of income. -If second homes are used for family members to live in, no. Garnock Community Campus Umbrella Club Group directed to QR Code survey as ran out of time Newtown Mens Shed 100% agree with this. Online Consultation - Ukrainian •Two respondents agreed with the proposal. •Another was unsure, needing more information on the subject. •Two disagreed with one stating, ‘We need birth rate and population growth. How we can do it if we don’t have an affordable housing?’. NAFCO Should be implemented
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Taxes and Levies Page 13 of 30 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Survey Responses: Review of Non-Domestic Rates 8. Have you any additional comments you wish to make on the review of Non-Domestic Rates – Empty Property Reliefs and on how you think people will be impacted? SUMMARY: -Breathing new life into empty properties: Generally, there was broad support for this measure with many comments emphasising the need to discourage property owners from leaving properties vacant, and ensuring owners are accountable for maintaining or selling vacant buildings. -Community impact: Concern was expressed about the number of empty properties, particularly in town centres across North Ayrshire, which lead to negative perceptions of the towns and villages. A significant number of responses indicate that they believe that removing empty property relief could improve the appearance and vitality of town centres and attract new businesses or residents. - Exceptions for special circumstances: Several comments highlight the need for flexibility in implementing the policy, particularly in cases of probate, inheritance, or ongoing renovations. It was suggested by a number of respondents that exceptions could be made where properties are empty due to unavoidable circumstances like death, illness, or renovations that require time to complete. ‘Increasing the rates could encourage absent landlords to sell their properties for redevelopment or redevelop them themselves which in turn will support town regeneration’ ‘I don't think there should be any relief as people and communities have to watch buildings become derelict and unsuitable for anyone to use they are an eyesore to the look of a community’ ‘Removing empty property relief should encourage landlords to re-let property more quickly and could reduce rental levels. The relief subsidises landlords wishing to "hold out" for a higher rent.’ ‘I think this is another good proposal. There are so many empty properties which are being let go to rack and ruin so people should not be rewarded at all for having a poorly kept property. If you have a property you do not want to care for, you should not get any advantage from this. Removing rates relief might encourage people to sell unwanted buildings and this could benefit the community with new residents or new businesses as well as improving its appearance.’
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Taxes and Levies Page 14 of 30 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION ‘Something needs to be done to encourage owners of empty property or land to do something with it. Giving them exemption from rates is not the answer and this proposal might actually help encourage some action. Unless in death I think this is a very good idea. There are too many empty buildings owned by people doing nothing about them and getting away with not making payment’ ‘Relief should be available in the case of a death.’ ‘It is exceptionally difficult to set up a new business on Arran at the moment due to the lack of housing for workers and the ferry crisis which has reduced visitor numbers. Therefore some properties may be empty because a buyer can't be found. Island problems differ from the mainland so there is a need for island proof policy.’ ‘I think a reduction in the availability of empty property reliefs would help to bring vacant properties back into use and have a positive impact on the visual amenity of the area. Too many properties are 'land banked', especially at key locations’ ‘Relief for empty properties is essential if work is being done and the building/ house cannot be occupied. In this day and age getting tradesmen is difficult and they can be booked up for months in advance so time needs to be available to allows homeowners to make the improvements otherwise building will just fall in to disrepair.’ ‘I believe this proposal will have a high impact on my community, particularly in terms of empty properties and their potential to be brought back into use. There are several vacant commercial and industrial properties in the area that are currently benefiting from 100% relief, especially those with listed building status. While I understand the need for fairness and the unique circumstances of property owners, extending 100% relief indefinitely may discourage property owners from seeking tenants or redeveloping these spaces. This results in long-term blight and missed opportunities for revitalising our local economy.’
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Taxes and Levies Page 16 of 30 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 10. Please use this space if you wish to provide further information on your answer(s) above. SUMMARY: A number of comments expressed concern about the potential negative effects on small businesses and vulnerable groups, with some fearing that the policy could financially burden smaller property owners. There is, however, support for using empty properties more effectively, especially to address housing shortages and create more affordable spaces. A recurring theme was that wealthier owners and property speculators who "land-bank" are more likely to be affected by the changes, which could encourage them to either sell or develop their properties. Additionally, a number of people suggested exceptions or relief for certain groups, such as those dealing with probate or community organisations undergoing property transfers. ‘I think this is most likely to have a negative effect on larger organisations and wealthy people, but it may also impact small businesses. It could also lead to some buildings being put on the market, which could improve things for small businesses’ ‘It depends on how effective any Council measures brought in actually brings about the desired effect. The former in Brodick is a prime example of a property and site which could be become an asset.’ ‘The only impact here is on people or businesses buying and banking land to offset against tax.’ ‘It will marginally affect the wealthiest people, but benefit to groups depending on public services will be significantly larger’ ‘There are many small businesses struggling just now. This could be the end of them.’ ‘People in certain socio-economic positions: If empty properties are brought back into use more quickly, this could help address housing shortages or lower the costs of renting, which could benefit those in lower- income brackets by providing more affordable housing options. Small business owners: Small business owners could be impacted by changes to Empty Property Relief, especially if they own vacant properties that are currently benefiting from 100% relief. The policy shift may affect their finances, encouraging them to either fill or sell these properties, potentially leading to more commercial spaces available for other local businesses.’ 11. Do you think the proposal is likely to have an effect on any island communities which is significantly different from its effect on other communities (including other island communities) in North Ayrshire?
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Taxes and Levies Page 17 of 30 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 12. If you answered "yes" to the above question, please use this space to provide further information. SUMMARY: The survey responses showed a largely positive view of how changes to empty property relief could impact island communities. Several respondents emphasised the need for policies that address the high number of vacant properties and their negative effects on local housing availability and the economy. Many believe the proposal could help revitalise abandoned or underused buildings, potentially improving housing stock and creating affordable homes for local residents. Many pointed out that island communities face unique challenges, including land banking and the deterioration of properties, and that any policy changes should be tailored to these specific circumstances. Some respondents note the need for careful consideration of the economic and social implications, including the potential for small businesses to be adversely affected by rising costs. ‘There is already a lack of accommodation on Arran. hopefully this will lead to more properties being brought back into use.’ ‘This could help the islands get old properties sorted for people to live in or work. This would be a good impact.’ ‘Arrival on Arran is blighted by derelict property close to the ferry terminal.’ ‘Yes, this proposal is likely to have a greater effect on island communities, particularly those with a higher concentration of empty properties, such as Cumbrae and Arran. These communities may face unique challenges with vacant properties, especially in terms of their impact on local housing availability and the economy. The proposal could incentivise property owners on the islands to bring buildings back into use more quickly, addressing concerns about long-term vacancy and blight. However, due to the smaller scale of these communities and the higher proportion of listed buildings or empty properties, the impact of the policy may be more pronounced compared to other areas in North Ayrshire. This could be both a challenge and an opportunity for island communities to revitalize underused spaces.’ Engagement Group Feedback: Review of Non-Domestic Rates Healing Hearts Group I’m not sure if this is relevant to this proposal however I would like it to be noted that I don’t agree with people letting their council home to somebody – they will doing this unofficially. Scottish Syrian Roses Participants felt this would only impact business owners. Long Covid Group Properties are empty sometimes to allow for repairs/maintenance to be carried out when one tenant moves out for the next to move in - the relief helps with this. Garnock Community Campus Umbrella Club group directed to QR Code survey as ran out of time Newtown Mens Shed 100% agree with this. NAFCO Fully support, unless building is being regenerated, improved there should be a concession whilst improvements being made, with conditions to monitor this.
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Taxes and Levies Page 18 of 30 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Survey Responses: Charge a Tourist Visitor Levy 13. Legislation passed this year gives legal powers to local authorities to introduce a Visitor Levy. The Act also requires that te council must publicaly consult on any recommended Visitor Legy scheme. The consulation must contain the following information for stakeholders to respond to: • An outline of the proposed sceme • Confirmation of instances where the Visitor Levy would not be payable • The objectives of the scheme and a proposal for how these will be measured • An impact assessment Following the consulation, the council must then consider adustments to the scheme and formally annouce its intention to implement a Visitor Levy to the Scottish Government and the public. This announcement begins an 18-month implementation period, after which the Visitor Levy can be implemented. At this time the council is currently awaiting further detailed guidance around the Visitor Levy scheme from the Scottish Government. An important consideration in developing the scheme needs to be ‘enough to be worth it’ in order to deliver a meaningful level of investment in North Ayrshire, but also be proportionate in terms of having no detrimental impact on the competiveness of North Ayrhire’s tourism offer. The levy would likely take the form of a % levy applied to visitor overnight accommodation stays up to a maximum nunber of overnight stays. The revenue generated, after deducting the cost of adminsiation, could be used to invest in council services and infrastructure to support the visitor economy. Although a draft scheme has still to be fully developed and this will be subject to further public consultation, some early feedback around the principles of such a scheme would be appreciated.
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Taxes and Levies Page 19 of 30 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 14. Have you any additional comments you wish to make on charging a Tourist Visitor Levy and on how you think people will be impacted? SUMMARY: - Concerns about impact on tourism: Many of the comments expressed fears that a visitor levy could discourage tourists from visiting North Ayrshire, particularly in areas like Arran, where tourism is vital. Some believe that adding extra costs during the cost-of-living crisis could drive tourists to cheaper destinations, both within Scotland and abroad. - Support for revenue reinvestment: Many respondents support the idea of a visitor levy, provided the revenue generated is reinvested into local tourism infrastructure and services, such as improving facilities, roads, and visitor experiences. Some point to successful examples in other countries (e.g., Majorca) where such levies have helped improve local amenities. -Concerns about fairness: A number of responses shared concerns about who would be charged the levy, with suggestions that Scottish residents should be exempt or that the levy should not apply to people visiting within their own country. There is also confusion over how the levy would be enforced and whether it would apply to day visitors, caravan users, or residents holidaying locally. ‘Tourism is vital to area. We are not facing issues like Edinburgh where visitor numbers have huge impact on local infrastructure. Hospitality is still struggling to add an extra cost for visitors is likely to exacerbate that.’ ‘This is common throughout the world. People pay to stay in lovely places. A few pounds a night will not stop visitors from coming to Ayrshire. ‘ ‘We are not a huge tourist town but we would like to welcome people to visit freely and spend their money in our area rather than taxing them. We need as many visitors as we can get.’ ‘It could be a positive introducing a levy if the money is used to improve all of North Ayrshire’ ‘I believe that implementing a Visitor Levy in North Ayrshire is a positive step towards promoting sustainable tourism and investing in our local communities. The revenue generated can be used to enhance our infrastructure, attractions, and services, making North Ayrshire an even more appealing destination for visitors’ ‘I don't agree with a Visitor Levy. It might be OK for busy places but in North Ayrshire we should be encouraging people to come and stay and enjoy our lovely area and a levy might put them off. Also, it might affect lower income people from having a break in the caravan parks.’ ‘Introducing a Tourist Visitor Levy is a sensible option in light of the current economic climate facing North Ayrshire. The area attracts a lot of tourists and I do not think this would have a huge impact on numbers - tourists are used to paying some level of local tax when travelling abroad.’ ‘Tourist accommodation is already expensive in Scotland. An area such as North Ayrshire should be encouraging tourists in order to expand the income of local communities rather than taxing them further.’ ‘There is no doubt that Arran's visitor numbers are considerable and that tourism is a double edged sword. Would a levy deter tourists, that may depend on the price put on a levy. It does seem today that tourism has no bounds and people will pay if they wish to visit any particular site/area/town/city’ ‘A visitor levy would be an excellent way to generate income without impacting local residents’ ‘As someone who works in hospitality, I am against the introduction of a visitor levy as it will unfairly impact on accommodation providers. It will also impact on local causes like Arran Trust.’
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Taxes and Levies Page 20 of 30 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION ‘Most countries around the world now do this and tourist tax is now considered a norm. It would bring in money and not really discourage tourism’ ‘The Arran tourist economy is critical to the Islands economy. Tourism does have significant impact on the island and there are many way that this could be improved with further direct revenue. I would argue that Arrans visitor economy is not particularly price sensitive, but any additional direct costs would need to be carefully considered. How this would be applied across the wide angle of accommodation suppliers from hotels and guesthouses to Airbnb and private rentals would need to be consistent.’
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Taxes and Levies Page 22 of 30 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 16. Please use this space if you wish to provide further information on your answer(s) above. SUMMARY: Generally, many of the responses were concerned that a visitor levy could negatively impact small businesses, particularly in the hospitality and tourism sectors. Additional, concerns were expressed that that the levy may to increased costs, administrative burdens, and reduced competitiveness for accommodation providers like small hotels and B&Bs, and Airbnbs, potentially resulting in job losses and fewer opportunities for low-income and unskilled workers. There was also worries that the levy could deter visitors, especially those on tight budgets. ‘Small businesses would suffer if we introduced this tax and tourist numbers fell.’ ‘Small hotels, b&bs, airbnbs etc would suffer from this surely’ ‘I would expect the charge to be passed on to visitors to minimise the impact on local groups and businesses owners. It may impact people’s ability to visit the area to see family.’ ‘If small businesses which cater for tourism disappear, then there are less jobs for the young people on the island and less jobs for the unskilled worker.’ ‘Accommodation providers will have to administer the levy scheme at a high financial and time cost to their business.’ ‘Will reduce visitors, and therefore impact on people operating hotels. B&B, rental accommodation or hospitality. May reduce service jobs (waiters, cleaners etc) which will impact the lower paid workforce’ ‘There is no doubt that any levy, no matter how small, will deter those on a lower income from visiting Ayrshire. The small businesses in the hospitality and tourist industries are most likely to be affected by any reduction in footfall that the levy causes.’ ‘A Visitor Levy could disproportionately affect lower-income individuals or families, as additional charges on accommodation may make travel more expensive for those on tight budgets, potentially limiting access to tourism. Small business owners: Small accommodation providers, in particular, could face financial pressure from the levy, as they may need to raise prices to cover the cost of the levy, which could reduce demand or affect their competitiveness in the market.’ ‘Small Businesses working in accommodation could find the extra admin challenging and may not be in favour of a levy unless they could clearly see potential benefits to their business.’
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Taxes and Levies Page 23 of 30 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 17. Do you think the proposal is likely to have an effect on any island communities which is significantly different from its effect on other communities (including other island communities) in North Ayrshire? 18. If you answered "yes" to the above question, please use this space to provide further information. SUMMARY: The survey comments strongly agreed that island communities would be affected by a visitor levy. With tourism as a key driver of Arran and Cumbrae’s economies, concerns are raised that a visitor levy could disproportionately harm these areas due to their higher dependence on visitors, with potential negative impacts on accommodation providers, local businesses, and ancillary jobs. Many felt that the added cost of the levy, coupled with already high accommodation and ferry issues, may deter visitors, reducing footfall and revenue for small businesses. However, some respondents suggest that if the revenue is reinvested into infrastructure improvements, it could mitigate these effects. A further issue is the enforcement of the levy and ensuring it does not discourage tourism in areas already facing challenges like ferry reliability. A number of respondents also asked for a uniform levy across Scotland, to prevent unfair competition between regions. ‘It will discourage people from visiting as it’s expensive already to travel and stay in these places’ ‘The island communities rely on visitors to stay afloat. Any visitor levy must show visible local benefits both to residents and visitors.’ ‘Island businesses already have to deal with issues related to ferry disruption. This levy could add another burden to struggling businesses impacting the whole tourism economy’ ‘The bulk of the levy will be collected on the islands, but there is no mechanism to ensure the funds raised are used for island projects’ ‘Tourist accommodation on Arran is already very expensive. An additional levy and increase in cost may deter visitors.’ ‘The cost of living/doing business in Island communities is 15 to 40% higher than on the mainland. This tax would raise prices further and reduce price competitiveness. Island prices are already high and we need lower taxes to compete with mainland destinations.’ ‘I think most tourists to North Ayrshire are visiting the islands. However, I think they will still come, regardless of the extra charge’ ‘Yes in a positive sense - I hope it raises funding that can be reinvested into the local economy through new jobs or investment into community led regeneration projects.’
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Taxes and Levies Page 24 of 30 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION ‘Arran is much more of a tourist destination than mainland (North) Ayrshire. The accommodation costs there are generally higher and coupled with the recent ferry charge increases mean that any levy will be more likely to deter tourists - it could be the straw that broke the camel's back.’ ‘For island communities, tourism is one of the mainstays of the economy, and implementing this tax would be detrimental to not just accommodation providers, but many ancillary jobs and trades’ ‘I believe this proposal will have a significantly different effect on island communities compared to other areas in North Ayrshire. Island communities like Cumbrae and Arran rely heavily on tourism as a major part of their economy. Introducing a Visitor Levy could disproportionately impact these communities due to their higher reliance on seasonal visitors for economic sustainability. On islands, where tourism-related businesses, such as hotels, guesthouses, and bed and breakfasts, are vital to the local economy, the added cost of the levy could deter potential visitors, particularly those on tight budgets. This could lead to a reduction in visitor numbers, affecting both accommodation providers and local businesses that depend on tourist spending. However, if the revenue generated by the levy is reinvested effectively into infrastructure and services that support tourism, such as improving transport links or preserving local attractions, it could help offset some of these impacts. Ultimately, the challenge will be ensuring the levy is set at a level that is fair and does not undermine the competitiveness of the island communities as tourist destinations.’ ‘The large numbers of visitors to Cumbrae and Arran would raise revenue to support improvements to tourist related facilities and infrastructure - particularly roads, car parking and waste management/recycling facilities. Since the introduction of the Road Equivalent Tariffs for ferry transport the number of cars travelling to and on the roads of Cumbrae and Arran have had a noticeable negative impact on roads, litter and parking. Introducing this levy should raise funds to help address some of these impacts.’ Engagement Group Feedback: Charge a Tourist Visitor Levy Redburn Grove Tenants Group The members felt this would have a detrimental effect to North Ayrshire area for tourists. People may decide not to visit due to the tax levy being implemented. This is not a suggestion that should be considered. 3T Community Shed • Negative impact • Would people pay to visit a place that has nothing to do in it? Healing Hearts Group Don’t think this is a good idea. Nobody will go. This would directly affect my family. Project Art We like this idea but wonder if this would apply to us if we visited another place in Scotland, we feel this should only be for non Scottish residents as we would not like to have to pay a tourist tax for example if we visited Edinburgh Long Covid Group A great thing for Arran. Would work quite well. Would residents be charged this levy? Garnock Community Campus Umbrella Club Group directed to QR Code survey as ran out of time. Newtown Mens Shed This is not a good idea and could drive tourists away. NAFCO Fully support The main challenge we have is our tourist hot spot, suffers greatly from the poor Arran Ferry service and this has a substantial impact on what could generate a income for the council. Employee Disability Forum Discussion on impact for those with a disability - noted the Scottish Government website mentions an exemption from paying a visitor levy for people in receipt of disability benefits from the UK or Scottish Governments, assume this will be the same for people living in North Ayrshire.
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Taxes and Levies Page 25 of 30 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Survey Responses: Level of Increase in Council Tax When agreeing the Budget each year the Council also sets the level of Council Tax for the year. This is a vital source of income for the Council and accounts for around £65million, which equates to around 17% of the Council's total funding. In 2024/25, the Scottish Government provided additional funding to Councils to freeze the level of Council tax at 2023/24 levels. The Council's main source of funding is from the Scottish Government annual revenue grant. This funding has not kept pace with the cost of running day-to-day Council services which was significantly impacted by high levels of inflation over the last couple of years. When the level of funding does not match the cost of running services, this requires the Council to make significant savings to balance the Budget. For 2025/26, the projected budget gap is£ 16Million. If Council Tax were to increase by 5% in 2025/26 this would likely reduce the gap to approximately £13Million. This still presents a significant challenge to the Council. The more revenue that is generated from Council Tax the more vital Council services will be protected, however, it is recognised that this places further pressure on households. We are asking for your views on the percentage increase in Council Tax you would be prepared to pay. The Council's current planning assumption is for a 5% increase in Council tax for 2025/26. This would generate additional revenue of approximately £3.25Milli on. The tables below illustrates the likely additional revenue from each % rise in Council Tax and what the new levels would be for each band:
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Taxes and Levies Page 28 of 30 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 21. Please use this space if you wish to provide further information on your answer(s) above. SUMMARY: - Impact on low-income households. Many comments expressed concerns that council tax increases, especially during a cost-of-living crisis, are likely to disproportionately affect low-income households, pensioners, and those on fixed incomes. - Value for money. Several respondents said that while they accept Council tax rises are inevitable, they should correspond to improvements in public services. Many feel the services they receive, such as waste collection and public infrastructure, are declining while taxes increase, with many respondents expressing a sense of unfairness. -Calls for tax changes. While it is out of the council’s control, a significant number of responses suggested reforming the council tax system, by conducting a revaluation of property. Some suggest that a more progressive tax system could better distribute the burden of increasing taxes. ‘Most wages haven’t increased by 5%, seems unfair to expect working households to pay more when they aren’t earning more’ ‘We’ve had it frozen for years, it’s time to make a jump so we can actually have some working council services!’ ‘The best thing that could be done for council tax is a total fresh banding system that isn't as outdated and is fairer. Having people paying the same bands when houses are vastly different is ludicrous as is a lot of the properties sitting in the lower bands when they could be higher’ ‘As a disabled person that is now out of work due to my health I agree with a 5% increase’ ‘I would support a 10% rise in Council Tax in order to protect vital services, assuming people in low income categories are protected from this.’ ‘There has been a huge amount of additional housing over the past few years mostly band D and above with no significant increase in services. The proposal of 5% with a further 3% for each of the next 2 years adds a very significant increase of 11% to the already very tightly squeezed working family’ ‘An increase would have a severe impact on pensioners who are not claiming benefits. They are struggling enough with heating bills grocery bills etc. some people have stayed in the same house for 40 50,60 years and have paid for the upkeep of their homes themselves not buying selling and profiteering or getting new kitchens and bathrooms supplied and fitted by the council and they are now being penalised. It’s a disgrace.’ ‘This will obviously impact all council tax bill payers, but will hit pensioners harder as they are on a fixed income and have just lost the winter fuel payment.’ ‘this will affect families on low income and also working families who do not qualify for ctr and pay the full council tax - they will shoulder the biggest impact of the increase.’ ‘Any increasing costs are likely to impact on those on low incomes or more likely to be on low incomes’ ‘Low and fixed income households will be impacted negatively by this.’ ‘I personally think the Council has to bite the bullet and raise Council Tax - but it will most impact the people who can least afford it.’ ‘I understand that the Council faces significant budget pressures, particularly with the projected £16 million gap for 2025/26. While I recognize the need for additional revenue to protect vital services, such as
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Taxes and Levies Page 29 of 30 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION social care, education, and infrastructure, I also acknowledge the strain that a Council Tax increase places on households, especially those in lower-income brackets. A 5% increase in Council Tax could generate much-needed funds to support essential services, but it’s important that this increase is balanced with measures to support vulnerable individuals and families. The impact on local residents, particularly those already struggling with inflationary pressures, should be carefully considered. I believe that while a moderate increase may be necessary to protect services, the Council should also explore other ways to generate revenue or make savings, ensuring that the burden on residents is not disproportionately heavy.’ 22. Do you think the proposal is likely to have an effect on any island communities which is significantly different from its effect on other communities (including other island communities) in North Ayrshire? SUMMARY: Many respondents, particularly those who indicated they came from Arran or Cumbrae, said island communities already face higher living costs due to factors like limited job opportunities, expensive housing, and higher transport costs. Therefore, many felt that increases would disproportionately impact them. Additionally, many responses indicated a perception of a lack of infrastructure improvements on the islands like Arran, where some residents said they often felt neglected by the council. ‘Yes - high house prices on islands mean less money for those who live and work there.’ ‘Food, transport etc all cost more on island communities than on the mainland. Council Tax increases therefore have more of an impact here in terms of the percentage of our wages’ ‘There are a higher proportion of higher band properties (e.g. on Arran) that should be doing more to pay their way.’ ‘Council tax is already high in the island. Are we actually receiving what we pay for? It often feels like island services are less than those living on the mainland receive yet we pay higher tax.’ ‘It has the potential to impact business costs, holiday let costs subsequently impacting tourists and islander alike. Potentially due to rising costs of business being seen in the rising costs of lettings, products and business. it may also be a fairly small increased rise, however due to the economic climate, other rising costs and increase in employers outlay for employees e.g. recent wage rise, it may result in redundancies or loss of business.’
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Taxes and Levies Page 30 of 30 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Engagement Group Feedback: Level of Increase in Council Tax Redburn Grove Tenants Group The members felt any increase would significantly impact all communities within North Ayrshire. Healing Hearts Group I agree to 1%. I agree to 3%. No to an increase if other recycling charges were implemented. I feel we compensate for those who don’t need to pay council tax/low tax. Everyone should pay something towards council tax. Scottish Syrian Roses Some participants were unsure of the impact as their husbands manage this aspect of their finances/budgeting. Others said that as they receive a discount on their council tax, a 5% increase wouldn’t pose an issue. Garnock Community Campus Umbrella Club Group directed to QR Code survey as ran out of time Harbourside Men’s Shed No more than 5%. NAC need to look at the higher management structure and the extremely high wage bill.
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Waste Services Page 0 of 22 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 2025 to 2026 Budget Engagement Findings Waste Services Appendix 6
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Waste Services Page 1 of 22 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Contents About this Document / Method .......................................................................................................................................................................... 2 Demographic .................................................................................................................................................................................................... 2 Survey Results ................................................................................................................................................................................................... 5 Feedback on the ‘Review of waste collection frequency for purple and blue bins’ from engagement groups: ....................................................... 18 Feedback on the ‘Annual charge for collection of garden waste’ from engagement groups: ................................................................................. 19 Feedback on the ‘Review of charges for Bulky Waste Uplifts’ from engagement groups: ...................................................................................... 21
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Waste Services Page 2 of 22 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION About this Document / Method This document contains the summarised feedback from the 2025 to 2026 Council Budget Engagement undertaken between 10th October and 25th November 2024. It contains survey findings, engagement group feedback and where relevant, comments from trade unions. Due to the scale of the consultation, information has been analysed by theme as per the surveys issued: 1. Additional Council Tax Levy on Second Homes 2. Community Facilities and Car Parking 3. Schools and Related Services for Children and Young People 4. Service Delivery 5. Taxes and Levies 6. Waste Services (this report) This approach is more comprehensive than providing a single statistics or feedback document and enables quicker distribution to Elected Members and Officers for consideration. Please note: As the survey was divided by theme, if there is a need to combine findings across the engagement exercise caution should be used to ensure reference is made to the number of responses, rather than number of respondents. Open field questions produced an extensive amount of feedback, running to at least 10,000 words per survey. To make this manageable, this feedback has been examined manually and summarised for each question. As well as the summary, key examples of feedback are then quoted for each question to ensure the voices of our communities are directly visible. This text is as received by our respondents.
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Waste Services Page 5 of 22 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Survey Results 1. Currently the purple bins (glass, cans, plastics and cartons) and blue bins (paper, card and cardboard) are collected every three weeks. This is the same frequency as they grey bin (residual waste), with the brown bin (food and garden waste) collected every two weeks. Just over 60% of people put their purple and blue bins out for collection. This proposal will reduce the collection frequency for purple and blue bins to every four weeks and will better reflect levels of demand from residents. Will this proposal have an impact on your community? 2. Have you any additional comments you wish to make on the review of collection frequency for purple and blue bins and on how you think people will be impacted? SUMMARY: - Impact on recycling: Many residents, especially those in larger households or those who actively recycle, expressed a worry that reducing the frequency of blue and purple bin collections will lead to overflowing bins, leading to recycling waste being disposed of in grey bins and potentially increasing fly-tipping. - Vulnerable groups: The comments suggest that some households are likely to be affected more than other. For example, those with larger families, disabilities, or additional needs, who struggle with inadequate bin capacity and may have difficulty accessing alternative waste disposal options. - High demand: Some respondents shared concerns about the practicality of the new collection schedules, especially during high-demand periods like Christmas. Suggestions include offering additional services or more recycling facilities, and ensuring better communication and reliability in collection schedules to avoid disruption. ‘I think they could be reduced even more. I rarely use my blue and purple bins. And rarely use my brown bin.’ ‘These bins will fill up fast and then people will not have space which means they will just put in general waste bin this is counter productive to reducing land fill rubbish’ ‘I put all my bins out every 3 weeks. If you want residents to continue recycling do not change the bin schedule or people will start utilising the grey bin for packaging that can be recycled’
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Waste Services Page 6 of 22 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION ‘As a family of now 6 adults who are very keen on recycling, our purple and blue bins would be overflowing if only collected every 4 weeks. I know we can get extra bins, but I’m not keen in having to store even more bins.’ ‘Both blue and purple bins need collected every 2 or 3 weeks. If collected every 4 weeks we will have an over spill of cans, glass, paper and cardboard.’ ‘This is targeting the members of the community who regularly put out both purple and blue waste bins. More recyclable waste will be put in grey bins if this is implemented.’ ‘If frequency of blue and purple bin collection is reduced, then people will be forced to include recyclable waste in the grey bin. There is no other facility in NA to recycle glass - I have tried to take glass to the recycling centre in the past and was told to put it in general waste section. It is incredibly difficult to encourage people to recycle in line with the guidance and this will likely impact NA negatively on meeting and improving recycling targets.’ ‘We only have two people in our household, the purple bin is never full when I put it out so every four weeks for us is fine. I'm unsure if that would cause issues for larger households.’ ‘I have a small household. For us, a 4-weekly collection would be acceptable. Without having any indication of how much money would be saved by changing from 3-weekly to 4-weekly, it’s hard to know if the savings would justify a change to 4-weekly. If recycling isn’t collected regularly enough, people will simply use the grey bins, meaning more would end up in landfill instead of being recycled.’ ‘We always put our bins out and they are full by 3 weeks. We would have to pay to have rubbish removed or be forced to mix recycling with other items where there is space. I think more education is required and more people would recycle. I feel like we're punished for recycling and those who just use their grey bin prejudice those who recycle.’ ‘This seems a sensible proposal which will save money and have a minimal impact. The only issues might be at Christmas time when the paper waste bin is always overflowing.’ ‘This feels a bit reductive; while 60% of people overall put their bins out for collection, I'm pretty sure that there are pockets where people religiously put their bins out on time every single week, and are making the effort with their recycling. Stopping the fortnightly purple and blue bin collections will reduce the rates of recycling (particularly in the run up to and post-festive periods like Christmas and Easter) because once those bins are full, people will put their paper, card, glass, plastic and aluminium into their black bin instead. How is this helping the Council's sustainability ambitions?’
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Waste Services Page 8 of 22 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 4. Please use this space if you wish to provide further information on your answer(s) above. SUMMARY: A number of survey responses highlighted concerns about the impact of reduced bin collection frequencies on various groups within the community, particularly families, people with disabilities, and low-income households. Many respondents argue that the changes could lead to overflowing bins, increased fly-tipping, and greater difficulty for those with young children, elderly individuals, or additional needs who may generate more waste (e.g., nappies, medical supplies). There is also a concern that the proposed changes could exacerbate mental health issues, as the additional waste could create more stress and result in an environmental issue with more instances of fly-tipping. ‘This would affect all residents in North Ayrshire who use blue/purple bins.’ ‘It would impact on families with 2 or more children.’ ‘I think larger households will struggle. I have 4 adults in the household and I sometimes have to go a trip to the recycling centre which is very inconvenient.’ ‘This discriminates against families who have a larger number of people living at same address and fill the blue and purple bins every 3 weeks.’ ‘People with young families, older people & those with disabilities tend to produce more waste (nappies, pads, dressings, etc) & these groups are likely to be disproportionately affected by any reduction in waste collection services’ ‘It will impact everyone, regardless of their protected characteristics.’ 5. Do you think the proposal is likely to have an effect on any island communities which is significantly different from its effect on other communities (including other island communities) in North Ayrshire? 6. If you answered "yes" to the above question, please use this space to provide further information. SUMMARY: The comments show concerns about the impact of proposed changes to waste collection frequencies on Arran and Cumbrae. Many responses referenced the limited waste collection services, as well as the additional challenge of ferry restrictions and the isolation from mainland services. Some island residents also note that they lack specific bins, such as purple ones, and that their waste management systems are already under strain. Among the key points mentioned was the unpredictability of ferry schedules and
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Waste Services Page 9 of 22 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION reduced access to recycling centres which is likely to exacerbate the impact of reduced collection frequencies. Many also expressed frustration over the perceived inequality of services between island and mainland residents, as well as concerns that any changes to the bin collection would discourage tourism and affect local businesses. ‘The council needs to review its waste collection service on Arran … there are no purple bins’ ‘We currently don't have purple bin or garden waste collection on the islands anyway!’ ‘We only have two bins Blue and Grey. Less capacity.’ ‘We only get grey and blue bins. The recycling bins on Arran seems pointless when all recycling is put in the same bin, collected then tipped on the ground at the Brodick centre, lifted by a JCB and crushed into a container. This means that all the bottles will be broken and in amongst (possibly by now wet) paper, plastic and metal. How is that possible to be effectively recycled.’ ‘Cumbrae does not have an island tip. Residents don’t have the same access to HWRCs as mainland and Arran, without the extra fares / negotiation of ferries. Excess waste can’t be as easily disposed of.’ ‘Blue bins are frequently overflowing after 2wks and we have to put recycling in to the grey bin. If the collection is once every 4 wks we will need at least 1 more blue bin so each house will have a minimum of 2 blue bins to cope.’ 7. This proposal will ensure the ongoing viability and frequency of the brown bin garden waste collection service and suggests introducing a charge of £50 per annum. 8. Have you any additional comments you wish to make on the annual charge for the collection of garden waste and on how you think people will be impacted? SUMMARY: - Affordability: While some agreed that a fee may be manageable, many respondents expressed concern about the added financial strain of the proposed £50 fee for garden waste collection, particularly for low- income families, pensioners, and those struggling with the cost of living. - Fly-tipping: A significant concern is that the introduction of such a fee could lead to more fly-tipping and improper disposal of garden waste. Many people fear that others will resort to dumping waste in public spaces or using other bins (e.g., grey bins) instead.
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Waste Services Page 10 of 22 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION - Environmental: Some respondents worry that the fee will discourage proper waste disposal and result in neglected gardens, overgrown spaces, and increased pollution. Additionally, many responses referenced frustration over perceived reduced services (e.g., booking systems at recycling centres, missed collections). ‘This seems unfair. What about grass cuttings? Folk will start using grey bin for this. I won’t may for brown bin uplift when I only use for grass cuttings. Seems unfair for people with big gardens.’ ‘I don’t mind a cost but £50 is excessive. £30 is more realistic’ ‘Being on benefits, this is a charge I could do without. As I don't drive, I cannot use local waste amenities.’ ‘£50 might not seem a lot to the people proposing this idea, but to others it's a lot. This will encourage people to dump waste anywhere ir let gardens become overgrown.’ ‘The charge shall have an impact on low income families for some people £50 per year is manageable but not everyone can afford this’ ‘No way will we be paying for annual uplift of our garden waste collection. And we will not be taking garden waste to household recycling centre as we do not drive. We cannot afford to pay an extra £50 per year for a service that has been paid for by our council tax’ ‘Think £50 is excessive considering it is collected with food waste anyway. I don’t have grass or trees but I have to pick up weeds from my boundary from neighbours weeds and grass., and leaves on my property from other people’s garden so don’t see why I should be penalised. Also pick weeds from pavements and roads beside my property as council do not look after them and I’m not paying for this when it’s the council’s responsibility.’ ‘I think the £50 per year proposal is excessive. People who are unable to cut their grass themselves are already paying to have this done in order to maintain their council property. I suggest that this cost will result in overgrown gardens and put a further burden on pensioners like me on basic state pension!’ ‘I support the implementation of brown bin charges, but I believe they should not be applied to the elderly or disabled who are already facing financial challenges. These groups may have additional difficulties with disposing of garden waste, and imposing a charge could further strain their resources.’ ‘The unintended consequences of charging could mean increased fly tipping or people using their grey bins for garden waste. This increases the tonnage going to landfill, adding extra costs.’ ‘I suppose, in hard times, we must be prepared to pay for services which are currently free but I think £50 is excessive. Personally, there are many, many weeks when I only have food waste in my brown bin and I would be very reluctant to pay £50 for the small number of weeks I actually have garden waste in my bin.’ ‘I don't think it's fair to add the charge if the council is trying to work towards reducing waste etc. Adding the charge will discourage people from using their bins, it will increase people dumping garden waste on country roads. Which in turn will increase other costs for councils.’
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Waste Services Page 11 of 22 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 9. Do you think the proposal will have a particular impact on any of the groups below? Please tick all that apply. 10. Please use this space if you wish to provide further information on your answer(s) above. SUMMARY: A number of the comments suggested there might be a disproportionate impact on vulnerable groups, including low-income families, pensioners, people with disabilities, and those without access to private transport. Those against the idea point out that the charge could be particularly difficult for those who cannot easily transport their garden waste to recycling centres, particularly the elderly or disabled. ‘Certain vulnerable people will be unable to register for the collection as they won’t understand how to do it. People on low income might not be able to afford £50.’ ‘Not everyone can afford this charge and not everyone can dispose of garden waste themselves due to lack of transport or having a disability which would impact their ability to deal with garden waste. People of all ages may not be classed as disabled or vulnerable but it still impacts their ability to pay for or dispose of their garden waste especially if it’s a large volume.’ ‘Low income and people with disabilities will be affected the most.’ ‘Older people are less able to afford this extra charge and are less likely to be physically able to take their garden waste to the recycling centre. They will also struggle more if they have to book online.’ ‘Older people, pregnant women and those who have just given birth may struggle to access household waste and recycling centres. People on low incomes who don’t have access to a car may also struggle so this is essentially charging these people £50 for something which is no fault of their own. Are these people expected to take bags of grass cuttings on the bus?’ ‘The poor, elderly, and disabled are less likely to be able to have access to a car to travel to a HWRC.’
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Waste Services Page 12 of 22 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION ‘Aged people and people with disabilities may not be able to access the household waste and recycling centres.’ 11. Do you think the proposal is likely to have an effect on any island communities which is significantly different from its effect on other communities (including other island communities) in North Ayrshire? 12. If you answered "yes" to the above question, please use this space to provide further information. SUMMARY: Respondents pointed out that Arran does not have a brown bin service and residents are therefore unlikely to be impacted by a garden waste charge. Further responses show concern regarding Cumbrae, which does have a brown bin service, but no household waste recycling centre on the island which could be used as an alternative for residents to dispose of their garden waste. This would mean taking garden waste to the mainland to dispose of properly if they do not pay the £50 charge. ‘Arran already faces worse waste and recycling opportunities than the rest of the county. This will only make things worse.’ ‘Limited access to recycling centres as these are probably on the mainland’ ‘Arran doesn't have a brown bin collection scheme’ ‘Lack of choice on Cumbrae as we do not have access to a Household Recycling Centre’ ‘We don’t have this service on Arran.’ 13. The current cost of providing a Bulky Waste uplift services is more than the level of income recovered from customers who use the service. In addition, following new guidance from the Scottish Environment Protection Agency (SEPA), the council will have to change its current arrangements for the collection, storage and disposal of items like sofas and armchairs which contain flame retardant covers and foams. This will involve changes at Household Waste Recycling Centres and separate collection arrangements for these items. Complying with the new guidance will result in additional costs through more vehicles and staff. Current charges for the Bulky Waste Uplift service are £27.78 for up to five items and £5.55 for each additional item. To address the current level of subsidy and comply with new guidance, the new proposed charges are £55 for up to five items, with each additional item charged at £11. It is also
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Waste Services Page 13 of 22 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION proposed that any item of waste that contains flame retardant covers and foams, e.g. sofas, armchairs, sofa-beds, futons etc. are charged at £45 per item. Residents can continue to access Household Waste and Recycling Centres to dispose of any household items free of charge. Will this proposal have an impact on your community? 14. Have you any additional comments you wish to make on the review of charges for Bulky Waste Uplifts and on how you think people will be impacted? SUMMARY: - Affordability: Many respondents expressed concern that the increased charges for bulky waste disposal are unaffordable, particularly for low-income families, elderly residents, and those without access to transportation. This is viewed as exacerbating financial hardship during the cost of living crisis. - Fly-tipping: A dominant theme from the responses submitted was that a significant price increase will lead to an increase in fly-tipping, as people may be unable or unwilling to pay for the service, leading to the illegal dumping of waste. - Community impact: Many felt that the increase in charges could disproportionately affect vulnerable groups, such as the elderly, disabled, and those without cars, making it difficult for them to access recycling facilities or afford the uplift service, potentially leaving bulky waste in gardens or public spaces. ‘Fly tipping will increase at a cost to the council to clear up.’ ‘This is unfair on people who cannot access the dump and require uplift. The price doubling will make it less accessible for a lot of people. ‘5 items’ isn’t much either when either larger items are counted as 2, or you will be charging more for other large items.’ ‘I think the charges for bulky waste are too low at the moment. The new charges are reasonable but the charge per item of £45 for flame retardant items seems high.’ ‘I worry this will lead to bad actors taking the waste away for a cheaper price and fly tipping it in our countryside. This would then have an indirect cost to NAC.’
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Waste Services Page 14 of 22 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION ‘Happy for council to increase charges. The argument not to charge more is that it would increase fly tipping, a terrible problem here! But that should not be an excuse not to increase charges.’ ‘With rising costs to energy and living but wages not rising people can't afford that. If they don't have any way of getting to the recycling centre with items then they will sit in gardens making everywhere look a mess. Or they might dump it. People are sadly dumping things illegally’ ‘This will result in a massive increase in fly tipping. Not everyone has access to a vehicle big enough to attend a waste recycling centre either. It would be cheaper to pay someone privately to collect this stuff and they aren’t always guaranteed to have a license for this which again could lead to more fly tipping or people just keeping bulky waste in their gardens because they can’t afford the uplift cost. In a cost of living crisis, £55 could be the difference of someone heating their house or eating for a week.’ ‘Again expect more fly tipping. I understand increasing the price for this but that is a massive jump. But I do understand the reason to why its increasing. But I suspect these fake people offering to take rubbish will have more business and they will fly tip’ ‘Happy to pay for this service as may be cheaper than uplifts from companies.’ ‘Ridiculous costs. As someone that has never owned a new suite, I regularly shop second hand to save waste and only ever use bulky waste uplift to dispose of furniture that are beyond repair and salvaging. The costs of having items lifted privately are extortionate for those like me low income and disabled. This will also encourage surrounding areas to become fly tipping dumping grounds’ ‘Older folk cannot lift those items for disposal and will be left with bulky waste at their door/garden. Most will not have access to vehicles or means of significant payment due to low income. The charge is beyond their means’ ‘This will hit those who can't access Household Waste and Recycling centres the most i.e Disabled, Elderly and those who don't have access to a motor vehicle. It will also result in people simply illegally dumping their old items.’ ‘I believe that the proposed increase in charges for the Bulky Waste Uplift Service is necessary to ensure the continued viability of this essential service. While I understand that any increase in costs can be difficult, it's important to recognize that the service is currently subsidised by taxpayers. By introducing a more equitable pricing structure, we can help to ensure that the service remains available for everyone in the community, while also protecting our environment and complying with important regulations’
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Waste Services Page 16 of 22 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 16. Please use this space if you wish to provide further information on your answer(s) above. SUMMARY: The survey comments highlight concerns that the proposed bulky waste charges could disproportionately affect vulnerable groups, including the elderly, people with disabilities, low-income households, and those without access to transport. Many expressed the opinion that the increased fees are unaffordable, particularly for those on fixed incomes, such as pensioners, and that these individuals may be left with no choice but to either leave items in their homes or resort to fly-tipping. There are calls for exemptions or more accessible provisions for these groups, especially those who cannot physically lift or transport items themselves. Additionally, some responses highlighted the potential for exploitation by unscrupulous companies offering cheaper, but potentially illegal, disposal services. ‘Older people are more likely to use this service and the additional costs on pensioners who are already struggling may again mean more fly tipping, or just abandoning at the kerb side.’ ‘If prices are increased should be discounted for pensioners and people on benefits’ ‘The poor, elderly and disabled are less likely to be able to visit a HWRC and this are more likely to be impacted by the change’ ‘The charges are completely unaffordable for elderly, young families on low incomes or those on benefits. Those who don’t drive will resort to dodgy “uplift services” and fly tipping will increase’ ‘Elderly, disabled and low income people might he at a disadvantage as a result of this. They might not have access to transport for the recycling centre as well as not been able to afford the uplift charges’ ‘It will affect everyone who uses the service, especially lower incomes.’ ‘Young families, unassisted elderly. Low wealth/deprivation; unable to take excess waste to Household/Recycling Centres’ 17. Do you think the proposal is likely to have an effect on any island communities which is significantly different from its effect on other communities (including other island communities) in North Ayrshire?
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Waste Services Page 17 of 22 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION 18. If you answered "yes" to the above question, please use this space to provide further information. SUMMARY: Responses pointed out the while Arran has access to a Household Waste Recycling Centre, residents of Cumbrae do not, and would therefore be most affected by a charge for bulky waste uplift. Respondents said that it is more difficult for island residents to dispose of bulky items themselves, either because of long car journeys or to use waste facilities on the mainland. As a result, there are concerns that these changes will disproportionately impact islanders. ‘It affects everyone! However, as I have written previously Arran has a much poorer waste recycling process and bin collection than is currently offered on the mainland.’ ‘On the Islands there is a higher number of Elderly people who would and are unable to access Household Waste and Recycling Centres.’ ‘The Isle of Arran is geographically the same size as the rest of North Ayrshire, which means that residents have to travel much further distances on difficult roads to take waste themselves to the waste transfer station. As the transfer station is therefore not an option for a lot of island residents the bulky uplift service is essential, but this new charge could well price people out of this leading to waste build up in people’s homes & the surrounding natural environment’ ‘Increase in fly tipping on Cumbrae as we have no access to the Council Recycling Centre’ ‘Limited alternative options for island residents.’ ‘Cumbrae doesn't have a waste/recycle centre, so this option for disposal is more difficult. A ferry journey is required to access the centre on the mainland.’ ‘It’s more difficult to dispose of items on the island so the higher fee will have a greater impact here.’
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Waste Services Page 18 of 22 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Feedback on the ‘Review of waste collection frequency for purple and blue bins’ from engagement groups: Redburn Grove Tenants Group The Redburn Grove members felt this would have a detrimental effect to the wider North Ayrshire communities. It would not directly impact this community as they do not have recycling facilities. 3T Community Shed • If people can’t afford to discard waste, where does it go? • Black bins are more impacted due to smell and lack of space • Cost attached to going to the dump can’t be met by all • No issue with purple and blue bin Healing Hearts Group Brown bin doesn’t always get emptied. Purple bin is always full. Scottish Syrian Roses This would have a very high impact. They have big families with lots of children and therefore have a lot of plastic and cartons waste. This will affect the cities with accumulation of rubbish, as after two weeks, the bins are already full. They need regular bin collections, or, as an alternative, two of each colour of bins. Having two of each colour could make the proposal more manageable. We Work for Families - Parent Group 1. This may reduce recycling efforts within households 2. A requirement to have fortnightly uplifts for blue black and purple bins, will less need on the brown bin. 3. This would have a high impact on the area, with people littering, possible Vermon issue and less concentration on recycling. Long Covid Group This is a health and safety issue. Shouldn’t cut. I recycle all the time, although recycled items are washed out residue may remain leading to rats. Kilbirnie Residents - Syrian & Ukrainian New Scots Women Participants have no issue with the blue bin being collected once a month. The purple bins become full very quickly however and ideally should be uplifted every week. Big ESOL class, Syrian, Afghan learners For a family of 5 or 6 they have a lot of household recycling/waste. This would have a high impact for everyone. One learner would be happy to pay the £50. Garnock Community Campus Umbrella Club Group directed to QR Code survey as ran out of time. Newtown Mens Shed This is a good idea and a good way to save some money. Black bins must remain 3 weekly though. Online Consultation - Ukrainian • One participant stated that it could lead to disease and health issues. NAFCO Reflects the use, so sensible What’s the cost of additional weekend collections, this should this change reduce the need for this so less overtime requirements Overall, the waste collection is impressive across most areas. ESOL Class, Ukrainian/Russian speakers People will start throwing everything into the black bin (negative impact on recycling) For big families this is not a good idea, bins are already overflowing as it is. For households with less members, it may be less of an issue. The issue might be excess product packaging and this should be dealt with. Employee Disability Forum The impact depends on the number of people in your household. Would it affect those who dispose of medical waste? Depends on what
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Waste Services Page 19 of 22 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION the waste is as not all clinical waste should go in the bin. For those who live on their own and are physically disabled and their bins are full, it could cause a risk / health hazard if they start leaving bags of rubbish around the house. Older Peoples Voice Network (Irvine) This is a compromise that could be acceptable. Possibly provide large families with an extra bin? Feedback on the ‘Annual charge for collection of garden waste’ from engagement groups: Redburn Grove Tenants Group The Redburn Grove members felt this would have a detrimental effect to the wider North Ayrshire communities and increase fly tipping of garden waste. It would not directly impact this community as they do not have recycling facilities. 3T Community Shed Will cause an even greater rise in fly-tipping With the cost of living, people can’t afford the extra charge People who cannot pay, will leave in their garden to rot which invites rodents Healing Hearts Group I live in a street full of trees, I pick the leaves up and they have filled my bin. People will end up dumping the waste down the fields. Council tax goes up alongside this additional charge - I don’t agree with this. People will dump elsewhere. The Council has stopped cutting back hedges, the areas are not being maintained. Pensioners will be affected. Scottish Syrian Roses The participant who state this will have a low impact indicated that her husband cuts a lot of grass and taking this to the dump would be an inconvenience. She also believes that gradually this would have a higher impact as she envisages increases to the cost for this service over the years. Older Peoples Network Feedback on impact: How could this be done fairly, how would the bin men know who has paid and who has not? The money saved from doing this would need to be spent on admin. Big ESOL class Ukrainian table • There’s concern that fewer people would do gardening, which could make the area look less appealing. • A table of seven said it would have no real impact on them because they are all pensioners. Long Covid Group Would only use for food not garden waste. High amount when we already pay council tax - £50 is too much. We should be encouraging people to have gardens and do the right
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Waste Services Page 20 of 22 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION thing by nature. Don’t think people will do it if it’s introduced. Kilbirnie Residents - Syrian & Ukrainian New Scots Women One participant stated that this would be expensive for them. Garnock Community Campus Umbrella Club Group directed to QR Code survey as ran out of time. She Shed Waste charges could be high for those households in low-income, large families or people who live on their own. Newtown Mens Shed This isn’t fair on people who take pride in their gardens, which enhances the look of the local area. They shouldn’t be charged for this service. Harbourside Mens Shed Why do we pay council tax if NAC are going to start charging for statutory services. Online Consultation - Ukrainian • Some participants do not support the proposal, citing reasons such as existing fees, additional financial burden, and fairness compared to free collection of other rubbish. • A few participants believe the service should be voluntary, as some individuals do not use it or have alternatives like composting. • One participant finds the proposal unclear, questioning why other rubbish collection is free while garden waste incurs a fee. • One participant agrees with the proposal. • One participant simply views the proposal as a bad idea without providing specific reasons. NAFCO If this protects libraries, support. The collection charging system may cause issues to start with, other areas issue permit stickers to put on bins. Need clarification if the £50 is per household or per bin as some have more than one brown bin ESOL Class, Ukrainian/Russian speakers This would have no impact for the participant as they don’t have a brown bin. They put grass cuttings in the grey bin. They do not feel the need for brown bins for garden waste. Employee Disability Forum There will be people who are disabled who don’t use brown and grey bins properly and are unable to maintain gardens on their own. Therefore, maintenance is very low and most put in their grey bins and not brown as it is easier for them. Older Peoples Voice Network (Irvine) Will encourage fly tipping. Why does Council Tax not cover this? How will refuse workers differentiate between food and garden refuse? Irvine is already a dumping ground. Disabled people are disadvantaged.
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Waste Services Page 21 of 22 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION Feedback on the ‘Review of charges for Bulky Waste Uplifts’ from engagement groups: Redburn Grove Tenants Group The Redburn Grove members felt this would have a detrimental effect to the wider North Ayrshire communities and their community as the implementation of a charge would increase fly tipping of bulky waste. 3T Community Shed Will cause more fly-tipping. It would be cheaper to hire a van and find a vacant field to dispose of. No support in place for those wanting to pay for an uplift but can’t remove items safely from home due to age and/or disabilities – need better service support. Discriminating against them as they need to pay more for a private company uplift. Healing Hearts Group The is will increase fly tipping – the Council will have to pick it up anyway. No to this - the increase is too high. People will wait until Bonfire Night and the place will be overrun with rats. Gone too far. The current price is more than enough. Scottish Syrian Roses Those that indicated that they have no issue with this stated that they will either take things to the dump themselves (such as fridges) or burn bulky objects on bonfires on the 5th of November. Older Peoples Network Feedback on impact: High impact on surrounding environment. Big ESOL class Ukrainian table 6 people believe it won’t have an impact on them and said they would be happy to pay for it if necessary. One woman mentioned she’s unsure how long she will stay in Scotland and is concerned about potentially high costs to remove things when/if she leaves. Long Covid Group Significant increase. The increase is high and will encourage fly tipping. Cameras helped reduce fly tipping a bit however some of the out of the way places are used for fly tipping. Agree to an increase but not this much - too high. If you keep putting prices up irresponsible people won’t pay, people’s gardens will be a mess. Responsible people will pay the price. Kilbirnie Residents - Syrian & Ukrainian New Scots Women Four participants said their husbands take large items to the dump whilst the other said they do not scrap large items of furniture. Garnock Community Campus Umbrella Club Group directed to QR Code survey as ran out of time. Newtown Men’s Shed This will promote a rise in fly-tipping. The proposed charges are far too high and are too much of a jump. Law abiding people will pay this but most will fly tip. Harbourside Men’s Shed This is a very big increase. Could encourage people to illegally dump their rubbish. Understandable that the price has to go up, but maybe not by quite so much. Online Consultation - Ukrainian • One participant indicated that they had not yet used the service. • Another participant expressed understanding of the proposal but raised concerns that it might lead to irresponsible individuals
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Budget Engagement Feedback – Waste Services Page 22 of 22 PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION littering in outdoor spaces. • A participant stated that they did not fully understand the details of the proposal. • One participant agreed with implementing the fee. • Another participant opposed any increases in pricing. NAFCO Could cause fly tipping, which will then will be a counterproductive action Agree to increase, but it is too high, amount needs reconsidered. ESOL Class, Ukrainian/Russian speakers A gradual increase to the cost over several years would be better. This is a huge jump in price. In Kilwinning there are issues with fly tipping already, this may increase. Already people dump items around the area until it is eventually removed after a long time, or large bonfires are made to burn all the rubbish. Employee Disability Forum Disagree with proposal – families and individuals are hard up enough with the cost of living so to add a hefty fee is going to encourage more ‘dumb dumping’ and could create a bigger problem and be counterproductive. Some disabled people don’t have a car and therefore no option of going to waste site to take their own – is there any way it could be discounted for disabled / low incomes? Could have knock on effect of encouraging people to ‘hoard’. Could create health hazard/risk.